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Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote Here's a tip, get off your aiming crutch and learn to play with a CONSOLE CONTROLLER.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote Mr514 wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Here's a tip, get off your aiming crutch and learn to play with a CONSOLE CONTROLLER. ** controller. This kind a game will and have always been working best with mouse and keyboard setup! I can argue about that for years, the fact is that you have much more control of what you doing with keyboard and mouse ;-) You're on a Console, if you don't like Controllers, don't buy a console.**
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:34:00 - [3] - Quote Lavender Fields wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Mr514 wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Here's a tip, get off your aiming crutch and learn to play with a CONSOLE CONTROLLER. ** controller. This kind a game will and have always been working best with mouse and keyboard setup! I can argue about that for years, the fact is that you have much more control of what you doing with keyboard and mouse ;-) You're on a Console, if you don't like Controllers, don't buy a console. Controllers are good for a lot of games. But SHOOTERS are not one of them. Mouse and keyboard is essential for optimal FPS gameplay. I have a PS3 for games like SoulCalibre, Madden, and Ace Combat. Your post is now moot. I've played with Controllers since I was a kid and always managed to master shooters. I'm not ad-versed to a Mouse either. KB-M is not a "necessity".**
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:39:00 - [4] - Quote Mr514 wrote: Phantomnom wrote: I've played with Controllers since I was a kid and always managed to master shooters. I'm not ad-versed to a Mouse either. KB-M is not a "necessity".[/b] Good for you, and if there is an option, people that want to use keyboard and mouse getting that chance. And you and everyone else realy know that mastering keyboard and mouse in this kind a game you have WAY more controll for better aming and feel in the game. And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:43:00 - [5] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good. KBM requires more skill than controller does. The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller. Get your facts straight. It's point and click, how is that more skill? How is aiming more skillful by pointing and clicking exactly what you're looking at instead of lining up your shot with analogs?
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:47:00 - [6] - Quote Then fine, implement it for the markets but jesus, learn to aim without pointing and clicking.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:51:00 - [7] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good. KBM requires more skill than controller does. The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller. Get your facts straight. It's point and click, how is that more skill? How is aiming more skillful by pointing and clicking exactly what you're looking at instead of lining up your shot with analogs? I am now convinced you never used KBM before. Difficulty by fighting the controls is not good difficulty. Controls in a competitive game should be as smooth, sharp and intuitive as possible. So that it works with the player as much as the player works with the controls. Gamepads are not well suited to first person shooters. I've never had to fight my controls, because I know how to use one. Hint.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:03:00 - [8] - Quote Mr514 wrote: To make a point here aswell. If you need to turn 180 around to shoot someone that just started to shoot you.. Well, your DEAD as you just turn around and saw what happen.. IF your lucky.. With keyboard and mouse, things like that can be controll so fast that you are able to turn around, and might even kill that target before you die. But I can do that with a controller, I just have to turn. KB/M removes everything like that from movement to aiming, it's instantaneous. KB/M may be better statistically for shooters, but it's going to create a void between the controller users and KB/M users. That's inherent imbalance. That kills games.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote Freyar Tarkin wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: sys Ghost wrote: The controller crusaders who are saying everyone needs to HTFU are just afraid of the superiority that KB/M brings. They claim that they can beat KB/M, yet if they really could, they would welcome the newcomers instead of raging. In all honesty they are acting like goons, claiming that something does not matter yer opposing it because they really do fear it. No one says that controller could beat kb/m, that's actually the whole point that kb/m users would dominate controller users which seems odd on a console system. In short, they want it to stay as it is because they have the advantage. That's all this is. "I have the advantage because other people who play are having difficulties adjusting to an awkward control scheme." That's a learning disadvantage, that's fair. We don't want the ceiling raised by KB/M support so high that controllers can't reach it.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:51:00 - [10] - Quote If you get KB/M we're gonna get more aim assist and we don't want that bullshit either.

Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:54:00 - [11] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: If you get KB/M we're gonna get more aim assist and we don't want that bullshit either. If it bugs you, then you can always ask for an aim assist slider. No, from now on i'm walking on to PC gaming forums and demanding controller aim assist 100% and balance I don't care if you KB/M players are disadvantaged because that's how I want to play.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:56:00 - [12] - Quote If they can patch in KB/M support but maintain a status quo then by all means you should have the right to use it. If not, it's bull.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:58:00 - [13] - Quote Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do. Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 22:03:00 - [14] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do. Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal. It should if the primary control method is disadvantaged by the others.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 22:10:00 - [15] - Quote Lavender Fields wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Freyar Tarkin wrote: Controllers have their place, just like arcade sticks, the Playstation Move, steering wheels, trackballs, and all those other input methods do. Yeah, the place is consoles. Which we are on. It shouldn't be a "Gamepad only, no other control methods allowed" deal. It should if the primary control method is disadvantaged by the others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 22:16:00 - [16] - Quote Lavender Fields wrote: Phantomnom wrote: And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough. But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say? From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 will support keyboard and mouse on PS3" And if it works on an even playing field with Controllers, great, if not, they've found the imbalance is unworkable and it's rejected. They're obviously testing right now.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.01 22:17:00 - [17] - Quote Freyar Tarkin wrote: Phantomnom wrote: And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough. "Sony shipped a gamepad with it, there are no other peripherals that you can buy, like the Move.. or a keyboard, or a mouse, *of which the PS3 supports on the OS level too.." And to maintain a competitive balance, it's selective in which areas KB/M is appropriate. Do you finally. See. Where. We are going. With this.*
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.02 21:02:00 - [18] - Quote Beta Phish wrote: this is a PS3 game NOT a PC game. all kb/m would allow players to do is abuse the broken movement & aim in Beta already But you're inhibiting ways people want to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ;(
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.05 20:34:00 - [19] - Quote I'm going to laugh so hard if they release KB/M with so many limitations they don't want it anymore.