DUST Search - Keyboard/Mouse

Freyar Tarkin wrote:

If this game were supposed to be fair, then why are there pure power skills in the tree? An increase in weapon damage by 15% or 25% is pretty significant which skews the fairness argument out the window. Combine that with off-map support in live, and it's even more of a problem. CCP hasn't built this game to be fair, I don't see why Keyboard and Mouse versus Controller needs to aside from the nebulous concept (and frankly one I don't care for) of making sure that a controller does okay because everyone has one.

Everyone has a USB keyboard somewhere. Hell, people pay premium for PS/2 keyboards these days, same with mice. You can't really find ball-based mice, so as long as you have a decent surface you're fine.

I suppose the bottom line is: CCP isn't building a fair game. Use the best tools available, don't hold yourself back to inferior input and adapt instead. Adding Mouse support and throwing it in against the rest of the playerbase may shift the way people play shooters in the future, and may afford the possibility of making the mouse a dominant input system for shooters.


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Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 17:21:00 - [1] - Quote Hi Is there ever going to be options to be able to use mouse and keyboard on this game?
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:15:00 - [2] - Quote So the question is still remaining. My guess is if they dont implement Keyboard and mouse they will lose tons of players, and even more players that are never going to play it if it dosent get keyboard and mouse support. I just tested the game and will with my experience say that if they dont implement keyboard and mouse option i never going to join that game. And 12 of my other eve online friends will never play it if it dosent get keyboard and mouse option. And everyone i talk to dosent want to even try it unless it get keyboard and mouse option
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:22:00 - [3] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: Here's a tip, get off your aiming crutch and learn to play with a CONSOLE CONTROLLER. **** controller. This kind a game will and have always been working best with mouse and keyboard setup! I can argue about that for years, the fact is that you have much more control of what you doing with keyboard and mouse ;-)
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:27:00 - [4] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: Mr514 wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Here's a tip, get off your aiming crutch and learn to play with a CONSOLE CONTROLLER. ** controller. This kind a game will and have always been working best with mouse and keyboard setup! I can argue about that for years, the fact is that you have much more control of what you doing with keyboard and mouse ;-) You're on a Console, if you don't like Controllers, don't buy a console. THE only reason i have a console is this game. And if this game cant get keyboard and mouse as many other FPS games i'm selling mine.. Or hope Sony (as before aslso) ** this so bad up that CCP need to make this game for PC.. :D
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote Lavender Fields wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Mr514 wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Here's a tip, get off your aiming crutch and learn to play with a CONSOLE CONTROLLER. ** controller. This kind a game will and have always been working best with mouse and keyboard setup! I can argue about that for years, the fact is that you have much more control of what you doing with keyboard and mouse ;-) You're on a Console, if you don't like Controllers, don't buy a console.** Controllers are good for a lot of games. But SHOOTERS are not one of them. Mouse and keyboard is essential for optimal FPS gameplay. I have a PS3 for games like SoulCalibre, Madden, and Ace Combat. Your post is now moot. Perfect point, there are a few games like Driving/CAR games are ok with controller.. but nothing like this kind a game. THIS IS ALL ABOUT OPTIONS!.. If keyboard and mouse comming, everyone that want to use that, using it, and everyone else feel good for the controller using that.. ;-) Everyone is happy then and k/m users getting in game and ccp earn more money
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:37:00 - [6] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: I've played with Controllers since I was a kid and always managed to master shooters. I'm not ad-versed to a Mouse either. KB-M is not a "necessity".[/b] Good for you, and if there is an option, people that want to use keyboard and mouse getting that chance. And you and everyone else realy know that mastering keyboard and mouse in this kind a game you have WAY more controll for better aming and feel in the game.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:45:00 - [7] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good. LoL... :D Unbalancing?.. well by you saying/writing that you realy do answer the question and know that keyboard and mouse is realy much better for this kind a game. Anyhow, its not making anything unbalance at all. its just making the game for everyone! How hard is it to get a ***** keyboard and mouse and plug it in that stupid PS3 and play the game?.. Its not that i dont manage to use a controller on a PS3, but i want to be on the same level i shoud be and are on BF3 and all other games like that. Again, this is clearly a game for mouse and keyboard Its also making things like skilltraning, trading, chatting and all that much more easy then using 5 min to spell out something stupid that takes 5 sec. on a keyboard. yes i do know you can use the keyboard while typing things, but again you cant hover the mouse around and make things go faster. using time on marked, trading and all that ** isnt fun when you know it can be done FASTER with a small thing as keyboard and mouse
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:47:00 - [8] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Phantomnom wrote: And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good. KBM requires more skill than controller does. The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller. Get your facts straight. What???!!!... Are you drunk or something? MORE skills to use a keybard and mouse then a controller???!! Wow, what planer "are" you from?
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 19:58:00 - [9] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Mr514 wrote: What???!!!... Are you drunk or something? MORE skills to use a keybard and mouse then a controller???!! Wow, what planer "are" you from? KBM doesn't have any aim assist. It's all you. Well, you made my day today. I must say, you clearly dont know what you are talking about.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:00:00 - [10] - Quote To make a point here aswell. If you need to turn 180 around to shoot someone that just started to shoot you.. Well, your DEAD as you just turn around and saw what happen.. IF your lucky.. With keyboard and mouse, things like that can be controll so fast that you are able to turn around, and might even kill that target before you die.

Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:17:00 - [11] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: Mr514 wrote: To make a point here aswell. If you need to turn 180 around to shoot someone that just started to shoot you.. Well, your DEAD as you just turn around and saw what happen.. IF your lucky.. With keyboard and mouse, things like that can be controll so fast that you are able to turn around, and might even kill that target before you die. But I can do that with a controller, I just have to turn. KB/M removes everything like that from movement to aiming, it's instantaneous. KB/M may be better statistically for shooters, but it's going to create a void between the controller users and KB/M users. That's inherent imbalance. That kills games. bullshitt
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:23:00 - [12] - Quote Well, anyhow, i made my point, CCP deside if they are going to lose tons of players, gain more or just jurk around and dont dear to do anything. On the event on iceland they told Keyboard and mouse whas going to be an option. If that isnt the case anymore, i'm selling my PS3. Something i shoud have done ages ago, but kept it as i whas waiting for this game. Pc is and have always been the ultimate gaming machine, and think its a error that they aint making this game for PC, as Eve Online is a PC game, and Dust built on the same concept.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Mr514 wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Mr514 wrote: To make a point here aswell. If you need to turn 180 around to shoot someone that just started to shoot you.. Well, your DEAD as you just turn around and saw what happen.. IF your lucky.. With keyboard and mouse, things like that can be controll so fast that you are able to turn around, and might even kill that target before you die. But I can do that with a controller, I just have to turn. KB/M removes everything like that from movement to aiming, it's instantaneous. KB/M may be better statistically for shooters, but it's going to create a void between the controller users and KB/M users. That's inherent imbalance. That kills games. bullshitt Why dont all PS3 FPS games have full KB+M support ?? Oh yea its a terribl idea that will unbalance your game and people wont play it Its not making it unbalance. Think again, and then even think more about it! ;-) MORE people will play the game with mouse and keyboard support, then the stupid controller
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) ) there is aswell thousens of reasons why keyboard and mouse is better then controller, or why conroller is better for some people. Some people just dont know how to use keyboard and mouse, and some dont want to spend months to get somewhat close to whats doable. The question is not WHY, its a quesion if they ARE going to do, or not going to make that as an option, as clearly they have told on the event in iceland that it whas going to be an option to use it. Some players leave, but more players comes.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 21:15:00 - [15] - Quote OnsIaught wrote: Mr514 wrote: there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) ) This isn't like other games - Evetard And your point is?.. LoL.. i have been in EvE online for 8 years, and i do realy know that this ISNT like any other game.. And will never be like any other games in the world.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.01 22:04:00 - [16] - Quote Lavender Fields wrote: Well, CCP will lose a lot of its credibility if it goes back on its promise to include KB&M support. We wouldn't be having this thread if they hadn't said they would. But it's the fact that they DID say they were and that they have YET to do it is why so many of us are flustered. I know there are many people out there who bought Playstation 3 systems based primarily on this promise. --- Edit: This post is for you folks who think we are randomly demanding KB&M support. (We're not.) Cant be better written. :) Perfect points, and yes i have also friends that have got themselfe a PS3 and keyboard and mouse just as the rason CCP told that it will have support. But havent seen any more info on it. And today i finnaly tested the game, and there isnt any support yet. :(
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.02 11:35:00 - [17] - Quote Hellaciouss Deeds wrote: A keyboard + mouse is cheaper then a dualshock controller. Just sayin. CCP supposedly have plans to bring the game to the PC after the 1-year exclusivity agreement, so they will need good kb/m support anyway. Sorry console kiddies, but it's time to realize that computers are replacing the crappy, over priced, under achieving garbage known as consoles. Consoles just aren't what they used to be. Where have you this information from?... link? If this is true, i just got realy happy. :D
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.02 11:46:00 - [18] - Quote Freyar Tarkin wrote: If this game were supposed to be fair, then why are there pure power skills in the tree? An increase in weapon damage by 15% or 25% is pretty significant which skews the fairness argument out the window. Combine that with off-map support in live, and it's even more of a problem. CCP hasn't built this game to be fair, I don't see why Keyboard and Mouse versus Controller needs to aside from the nebulous concept (and frankly one I don't care for) of making sure that a controller does okay because everyone has one. Everyone has a USB keyboard somewhere. Hell, people pay premium for PS/2 keyboards these days, same with mice. You can't really find ball-based mice, so as long as you have a decent surface you're fine. I suppose the bottom line is: CCP isn't building a fair game. Use the best tools available, don't hold yourself back to inferior input and adapt instead. Adding Mouse support and throwing it in against the rest of the playerbase may shift the way people play shooters in the future, and may afford the possibility of making the mouse a dominant input system for shooters. :D You hit the nail so hard it broke the hole wall.. :D Nice written
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:45:00 - [19] - Quote Hellaciouss Deeds wrote: CCP supposedly have plans to bring the game to the PC after the 1-year exclusivity agreement, so they will need good kb/m support anyway. Sorry console kiddies, but it's time to realize that computers are replacing the crappy, over priced, under achieving garbage known as consoles. Consoles just aren't what they used to be. Where is this info?...
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.02 20:58:00 - [20] - Quote Aidan Torrall wrote: Once CCP puts M&K in, you'll see the PS3 people leave in droves. It's that simple. Much too unfair, as we all know. Why have the game on PS3 if you're going to treat it like a PC game. They should have just started on PC if that was the case and not waste all of the console players' time. We are ***** talking about one type of game. Not every ***** ass game on PS3. Anyhow, it seems there are proofe that Keyboard and mouse are going to be so its all good now. :)

Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.02 21:26:00 - [21] - Quote Beta Phish wrote: this is a PS3 game NOT a PC game. all kb/m would allow players to do is abuse the broken movement & aim in Beta already LoL.. get a life.. ITs a game, its working better with mouse and keyboard (something that is comming) and there are several other games out there that already support's keyboard and mouse. ;-) And more it comes..
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.05 11:50:00 - [22] - Quote Well, now i just got a mail from DUST Team and they are telling that Keyboard and Mouse is going to be supported in the close future. But they are not done with it so coudent say when its getting live.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.05 15:54:00 - [23] - Quote GM Fabulous wrote: Hello everyone. To keep you informed on this subject, KB&M support is coming. We currently plan to release it in the next major beta patch (build). Me, Love, you.. :)
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:56:00 - [24] - Quote Why is most people bitching, whining and complaning about keyboard and mouse.. Get UP, Move FORWARD.. We are in 2012, and more stuff comming every ******* year. We are not living in Atari, nitendo or PS1 year anymore. Anything is possible, there is no problems in the world, just challenges. If people cant take the challange of getting cheap keyboard and mouse to plug it to the PS3, or this Eagle eye for other games, you gyes realy dont realy want to have awsome and good controle of the character/toon on the game. If you laying back in the sofa and using a controller, you are in NO possition to realy be aming and performing in any game. You are then just laid back and playing something that makes the time fly. Anyhow with that written, there are other complex options to mount systems around you where you ARE able to lay down in the sofa and use mouse and keyboard.. hehe.
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.08 11:04:00 - [25] - Quote onlyelisha wrote: This is getting ridiculous. Okay here's my two cents. This is a playstation 3 exclusive game. That means it's a console game. What do console games use? A controller. Honestly, it's just a bunch of people that refuse to learn how to use a controller to play shooting games. I play games both on PC and PS3 and I can use both methods to play FPS games. What is it that the EVE players have been throwing around to everyone that's been complaining, Adapt or Die. Its everywhere, and its going to be everywhere... Well, exclusive for a year, and then on PC and other places.. So eat your words and live today, aswell get a life. As i told a few post's ago, we are living in 2012, where even PS3 is about to be history and put in a box. Keyboard and mouse systems are ALWAYS going to be on things like this AND are working and will always be working best on this kind a games.. And as other people saying, You can always get one of this: http://www.penguinunited.com/ With that any PS3 game what so ever type, can be used with Keyboard and mouse
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.08 13:44:00 - [26] - Quote Templar Two wrote: ^^^ Frankly MKB won't be the reason why Dust 514 will fail and CCP will close. LOL
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.24 10:50:00 - [27] - Quote Now, there is only one question left. At what time and day is Keyboard and mouse support coming? It is confirm it is coming soon, but when?.. :)
Mr514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.07.24 22:18:00 - [28] - Quote DatFeckinTwat wrote: I read about 10 pages of this argument before I skipped to the end. KB/M support will most probably be for communication with other players and menu navigation. Nobody likes to spent time inputting words via the controller and i'm pretty sure, that, with all the future menu choices a mouse and Hot key system would be appreciated by most console users. Remember, this is a console game first and foremost. It is designed for console players to play. Navigating multiple menu's and written communication is a chore via Sixaxis. I personally welcome the choice of keyboard and mouse for these purposes. KB/M gameplay WILL ruin the experience for PS3 users and ultimately result in Dust becoming a costly experiment gone wrong for CCP. If you disagree, feel free to kill me on the battlefield. Not on the Forum. Ok, as you dident read everything you missed the dev. post, that it IS confirm that keyboard and mouse support is coming, not only for chatting and marketing stuff.. :D I also have confim's in a mail from a dev, that its coming, but nothing about when, but in beta, so before its all done. It whas ment from day one to be support.. nothing more to argue about.. i'm just wating for it before i start playing more.