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Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 11:32:00 - [1] - Quote ^^^ You say choice is king but then you insult those that use a controller on PC. So coherent.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 11:39:00 - [2] - Quote Frankly what is the point of using a mouse that has the accuracy of an analog stick. Please enlight me. Geirskoegul wrote: Choice is king, and you have the choice to use an inferior control mechanism. That's your right. I should have the choice to use the superior one. With this mentality then Rapid Fire Controllers are then legit.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 11:47:00 - [3] - Quote You all say MKB will be fine as long as it will be well balanced. Well, to balance a mouse with a DS3 you must: Make it as accurate/fast as an analog stick. A mouse as accurate/fast as an analog stick won't serve any purpose nor appeal to PC players because it would no longer behave as a mouse. If the mouse is as accurate/fast as the analog stick then frankly I don't see why you should not use a DS3 since the mouse no longer would be superior. DS3 is superior to any keyboard in therms to movement so without the superior accuracy of the mouse the KB players will then be the ones disadvantaged...then I would have to feel sorry for MB players and ask CCP to fix things.. IF the mouse is as fast/accurate as a analog stick the joke is on MKB players. If the mouse is fast/accurate as usual the joke is on DS3 players. Result: someone will be discriminated for this solution anyway.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 12:16:00 - [4] - Quote ^^^ As long as the natural superior accuracy of the mouse is not negated it will always have an advantage. It will take always more effort for me to move (at the same speed) my reticule on your head usign the less accurate DS3 rahter then you using the mouse. No pal, the only way to balance the mouse is to make it exactly as fast/accurate as the analog stick. And as I said above, it would then be better to have never implemented it because a mouse is good only if it fully behaves as a mouse.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 12:33:00 - [5] - Quote ^^^ Hey, I know it's a NO. I know that solution is not feasible because it breaks the mouse, but hell the mouse can't keep its accuracy because it would still be advantaged. This is why MKB integration is such a bad idea on PS3, on a FPS.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 12:44:00 - [6] - Quote So PC players now need to have their confront zone in a PS3 game. Dear lord why bother bringing this game on PS3...oh yes we PS3 FPS players are millions while EVE players are just 400k.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 13:03:00 - [7] - Quote ^^^ Frankly MKB won't be the reason why Dust 514 will fail and CCP will close.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 16:03:00 - [8] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: We'll tolerate controllers for FPS games that are truly awesome, finish the single player, and move on. This makes Dust 514 not awesome then otherwise you would tolerate the controller in it.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 16:35:00 - [9] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Were there a single player to be had, it would be played and completed, then dismissed. Since there's not, you'd see me here until PlanetSide 2 came out, which if this didn't have keyboard and mouse support, would be the better game. Since we're getting keyboard and mouse support, it's a non-issue, since after the next patch I won't have to tolerate a horribly ill-suited and inferior control system for FPS games. I don't follow you here: which one is better for you PS 2 or Dust 514? By the way I am happy to be a PS3 player even with my inferior controller. I have played too many FPS on PC to deny that the mouse is not better (if not too easy for me now) but that never stopped me from playing a game on PS3, even a FPS. My most pleasant memories in gaming have been with a controller in my hands and I won't apologies for this. We are not inferior because we use controllers and actually the fact that we can still be amazing with controller tells a lot. I hope you don't think inferior controller = inferior player.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 17:18:00 - [10] - Quote Double post sorry.

Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.08 17:20:00 - [11] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: ...That's rather silly, but some people just prefer certain control schemes, regardless of the situational merits. That's fine. But let the rest of us use real controls and stop the whinging. We're getting real controls, that's not changing, and the whinging just pisses people off... You are not in love with the DS3 but hey that's fine...this thought doesn't mean controllers are not "real controls". Really the best/greatest minds in the video-game industry use controllers for their games, even FPS, so frankly I don't think you are in the position to say they are not "real controls".
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.10 07:49:00 - [12] - Quote Ekull Zekariah wrote: Back OT, either way you look at it the mouse is a much more effective look/movement tool than an analogue stick. If they were to introduce this feature, the mouse would somehow have to be handicapped. That would probably defeat the point of KB/M since the users would like their settings to be the same as when they play other FPSs on PC. I said the same thing in the previous pages. Thought you said it far more synthetically which means you said it better.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.10 12:09:00 - [13] - Quote Ekull No problem I admire how better you said the same thing, I really do! Also yes what you say about hot-keys shows that handicapping a keyboard for balancing reasons is equally pointless. If CCP had to handicap my controller movement and force me to sue the d-pad insted then the stick I would not use it at all.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.13 08:55:00 - [14] - Quote This is a beta everything will be fine. This is just a giant wood horse everything will be fine. Troy. Many of us don't share this "beta optimism" and there is little you can do to change our minds. Only facts can make us change our minds and from what has happened so far facts, in general, say to us: thighs are not going right. I already said that I focus my attention only on the present so you must understand that simply I don't make wishful speculation on the future. I don't despair but I don't delude myself either.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.07.13 16:05:00 - [15] - Quote ^^^ There's a reason if nobody ever did it again over 5 years and dozens of FPS.

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