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Freyar Tarkin
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:12:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote: And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
"Sony shipped a gamepad with it, there are no other peripherals that you can buy, like the Move.. or a keyboard, or a mouse, of which the PS3 supports on the OS level too.." |
Lavender Fields
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:14:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:
And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say?
From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 *will* support keyboard and mouse on PS3" |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:16:00 -
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Lavender Fields wrote:Phantomnom wrote:
And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say? From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 *will* support keyboard and mouse on PS3"
And if it works on an even playing field with Controllers, great, if not, they've found the imbalance is unworkable and it's rejected. They're obviously testing right now. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:16:00 -
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Lavender Fields wrote:Phantomnom wrote:
And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say? From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 *will* support keyboard and mouse on PS3"
Entitled PC gamer
Your it |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:17:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Phantomnom wrote: And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
"Sony shipped a gamepad with it, there are no other peripherals that you can buy, like the Move.. or a keyboard, or a mouse, of which the PS3 supports on the OS level too.."
And to maintain a competitive balance, it's selective in which areas KB/M is appropriate. Do you finally. See. Where. We are going. With this. |
Avinash Decker
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:17:00 -
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I don't understand where this patronizing bs coming from players that has a preference to a different control scheme , its just juvenile. Some of you need to understand that this IS a ps3 game don't expect or believe you should have a advangate over other people,especially in a game like this. Although I hope they do correct and add the K/B and mouse. I don't see a problem if people like to have different options for different controls more power to them.
But some you people need to get your head out of your ass and understand the cicumstances; some of you guys are acting/are ******* pathetic. |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:18:00 -
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FASTEST THREAD EVER!
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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:22:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:
And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
I agree with this. We'll see the true results when KBM goes into testing. |
Tristan Kauls
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:24:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Phantomnom wrote: And that's the problem. You're taking a level playing field in regards to controls and demanding to unbalance them just because you can't hack using a controller. Man up and get good.
KBM requires more skill than controller does. The problem is that the skill ceiling is a lot higher on KBM than controller. Get your facts straight. Nope its the other way around KBM is easier and just simply better for fps games. Yet i hope they dont bring it to the game because it would unbalance this game into oblivion |
Lavender Fields
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:27:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote:Lavender Fields wrote:Phantomnom wrote:
And people wonder why PC gamers are seen as monstrously arrogant. Nobody owes you anything here, if it's tested and works, fine, have it. If it's tested and doesn't, remove it. PS3's are shipped with Controllers because they are the de facto playing field. Nobody wants to lessen their chances in this game just because you stamped your feet hard enough.
But CCP said they would. They should hold up to their words. If not, then how can you trust them with what they say? From CCP Jian, on Twitter: "@EONmagazine and those asking for an "official statement": DUST 514 *will* support keyboard and mouse on PS3" Entitled PC gamer
Your it
Because CCP told us that they would allow it? I'm entitled because I am expecting a service that was said to be provided? Okay. I'm entitled. |
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Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:28:00 -
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And that's why this forum needs polls. While this is a great way to vent, it's not really getting us anywhere. We either need a clear view on the percentage of players that really want kb/m support, majority wins, end of discussion or official confirmation from the devs even though they already said they would and that statement hasn't been redacted. If they can get this thing to run smooth with controllers, it's gonna be pretty amazing with kb/m. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:28:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote: And to maintain a competitive balance, it's selective in which areas KB/M is appropriate. Do you finally. See. Where. We are going. With this.
It's selective because the support doesn't carry over to games as it should. It's a viable input method. You're not going to change my mind here. Shooters need a keyboard and mouse. The advent of "aim assist" and wider hitboxes prove that the Dualshock 3 is not good enough. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:29:00 -
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Tristan Kauls wrote:Nope its the other way around KBM is easier and just simply better for fps games. Yet i hope they dont bring it to the game because it would unbalance this game into oblivion
I keep seeing people say this but I am puzzled as to what it means.
Is it that it will make certain weapons more powerful than it is designed to be or is just mouse and keyboard users outperforming gamepad users? |
Dillan NightStorm
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:29:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote: No, from now on i'm walking on to PC gaming forums and demanding controller aim assist 100% and **** balance I don't care if you KB/M players are disadvantaged because that's how I want to play.
This comment WINS!!!! |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:31:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Tristan Kauls wrote:Nope its the other way around KBM is easier and just simply better for fps games. Yet i hope they dont bring it to the game because it would unbalance this game into oblivion I keep seeing people say this but I am puzzled as to what it means. Is it that it will make certain weapons more powerful than it is designed to be or is just mouse and keyboard users outperforming gamepad users?
"just mouse and keyboard users outperforming gamepad users" at least I think so. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:31:00 -
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I wonder how many of these people here actually play any PC titles, let alone shooters. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:38:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:I wonder how many of these people here actually play any PC titles, let alone shooters.
I wonder if they're actually listening to themselves.
This is a change that benefits the console gamer. Mouse and keyboard doesn't have to be exclusive to PC gaming. They're going to be given the chance to experience the ergonomic, sharp, smooth and intuitive controls of PC FPS and they're whining about it. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:39:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:I wonder how many of these people here actually play any PC titles, let alone shooters. I wonder if they're actually listening to themselves. This is a change that benefits the console gamer. Mouse and keyboard doesn't have to be exclusive to PC gaming. They're going to be given the chance to experience the ergonomic, sharp, smooth and intuitive controls of PC FPS and they're whining about it.
Hell, all it means is that the PS3 will start getting the versatility it should have. Mice, Keyboards, Wheels, Move, Joysticks, Steel Battalion (ikid), trackballs, arcade sticks.. All of those should be usable. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:43:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:I wonder how many of these people here actually play any PC titles, let alone shooters. I wonder if they're actually listening to themselves. This is a change that benefits the console gamer. Mouse and keyboard doesn't have to be exclusive to PC gaming. They're going to be given the chance to experience the ergonomic, sharp, smooth and intuitive controls of PC FPS and they're whining about it.
Oh mighty PC super race enlighten us |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:45:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Tristan Kauls wrote:Nope its the other way around KBM is easier and just simply better for fps games. Yet i hope they dont bring it to the game because it would unbalance this game into oblivion I keep seeing people say this but I am puzzled as to what it means. Is it that it will make certain weapons more powerful than it is designed to be or is just mouse and keyboard users outperforming gamepad users?
basically what people are saying is kb/m players have a better accuracy in fps because its points and click. analoge stick users have to have more dexterity to have a good shot.
so no its not about quality of a persons skill, its about utilising different skills. kb/m is easier to use then analoge sticks. hence the imbalance |
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Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:46:00 -
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The RTS market is non-existent for the PS3. Why's that? :P |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:47:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:basically what people are saying is kb/m players have a better accuracy in fps because its points and click. analoge stick users have to have more dexterity to have a good shot.
Pfft. No. You've got aim assists and wider hitboxes so even if you are missing you're still "hitting". |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:50:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote:Oh mighty PC super race enlighten us
It's not about the PC gamer being superior, just the greater functionality attached to the platform. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:52:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:The RTS market is non-existent for the PS3. Why's that? :P
True and strangely console FPS that use the apparently terrible control method of Game pads
Sell rather well without mouse support |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:57:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Vetis Cato wrote:basically what people are saying is kb/m players have a better accuracy in fps because its points and click. analoge stick users have to have more dexterity to have a good shot. Pfft. No. You've got aim assists and wider hitboxes so even if you are missing you're still "hitting".
so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:03:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:The RTS market is non-existent for the PS3. Why's that? :P True and strangely console FPS that use the apparently terrible control method of Game pads
Sell rather well without mouse support
Because people don't know any better, and for the most part people complain about the cost of running and maintaining a PC.
Vetis Cato wrote:so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity.
Players on PC (for games that y'know.. aren't given the one-size-fits-all treatment a-la Activision) don't get aim assist. They don't. Hitting a target on PC, is hitting a target. Those hitboxes are proper, and the mouse input is left alone.
"Analogue requires more dexterity". I'd argue against that considering more keys, more fine movements on the keyboard. Either way, this is a pretty stupid argument. Mice are better for shooters, everyone in here has pretty much agreed, therefore mice should be an option offered, despite people's fears of it being the "dominating input". |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:04:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Vetis Cato wrote:basically what people are saying is kb/m players have a better accuracy in fps because its points and click. analoge stick users have to have more dexterity to have a good shot. Pfft. No. You've got aim assists and wider hitboxes so even if you are missing you're still "hitting". so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity.
Only because it is so much more limited.
That's why mouse and keyboard aiming is so much better. It doesn't need to slow down your cursor over an enemy, it doesn't need to stick to an enemy. Its effectiveness is so much greater and precise. To a point where none of those artificial boosters are necessary. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:07:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:The RTS market is non-existent for the PS3. Why's that? :P True and strangely console FPS that use the apparently terrible control method of Game pads
Sell rather well without mouse support Because people don't know any better, and for the most part people complain about the cost of running and maintaining a PC. Vetis Cato wrote:so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity. Players on PC (for games that y'know.. aren't given the one-size-fits-all treatment a-la Activision) don't get aim assist. They don't. Hitting a target on PC, is hitting a target. Those hitboxes are proper, and the mouse input is left alone. "Analogue requires more dexterity". I'd argue against that considering more keys, more fine movements on the keyboard. Either way, this is a pretty stupid argument. Mice are better for shooters, everyone in here has pretty much agreed, therefore mice should be an option offered, despite people's fears of it being the "dominating input".
Yea stupid console kids
They should listen to the PC master race
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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:09:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote:Yea stupid console kids
They should listen to the PC master race
Nobody is proclaiming themselves to be better. Only the hardware. |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:13:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Vetis Cato wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Vetis Cato wrote:basically what people are saying is kb/m players have a better accuracy in fps because its points and click. analoge stick users have to have more dexterity to have a good shot. Pfft. No. You've got aim assists and wider hitboxes so even if you are missing you're still "hitting". so do pc players have aim assists. and no its really not that easy to hit people by missing them. hit boxes arnt that bigger then pc (and some games the same). i play both for different reasons. pc my accuracy rating in most games is around the 40% mark, 22% average for console. iv played both for a very very long time. and consider my self a above average player. pc is point and click, analoge requires more dexterity. Only because it is so much more limited. That's why mouse and keyboard aiming is so much better. It doesn't need to slow down your cursor over an enemy, it doesn't need to stick to an enemy. Its effectiveness is so much greater and precise. To a point where none of those artificial boosters are necessary.
that is exactly the point as to why the console players are getting irrate about it. because its better. now dust are introducing kb/m on to a console system meaning there putting a system in place that will effectly give an unfair advntage over analoge players.
please dont give me the adaopt or die thoery. ccp didnt have to make this on console. so they have to take care of the market they are putting the game too
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