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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.01 20:58:00 -
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OnsIaught wrote:EVE players are so awful I wish they stayed on their PC all day instead of trying to turn a PS3 game into a PC game.
It already behaves exactly like a PC FPS. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:00:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:
It's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade since I prefer (and most ps3 players) a ps3 controller.
It is better for everyone? No it is better for PC players, who is this game trying to appeal to, pc or ps3 players?
For FPS? The only reason I can think of why that would be the case is if you can't aim without your aim assist.
Otherwise it is better in every other respect. |
Mr514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:02:00 -
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there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
there is aswell thousens of reasons why keyboard and mouse is better then controller, or why conroller is better for some people. Some people just dont know how to use keyboard and mouse, and some dont want to spend months to get somewhat close to whats doable.
The question is not WHY, its a quesion if they ARE going to do, or not going to make that as an option, as clearly they have told on the event in iceland that it whas going to be an option to use it. Some players leave, but more players comes. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:05:00 -
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You use 1:1 movement in life when you look around, there's no reason to not emulate that same exact thing in Dust if it's being offered. :P
PS3 players that use controllers are far too stuck in their "new" coddled ways. Aim assist and bigger hitboxes have made 'em soft. They can't handle the lethality of shooting when you're not fighting the stupid Rate*Time system that's in place.[/trolling] |
TheReaper852
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:05:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:
It's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade since I prefer (and most ps3 players) a ps3 controller.
It is better for everyone? No it is better for PC players, who is this game trying to appeal to, pc or ps3 players?
For FPS? The only reason I can think of why that would be the case is if you can't aim without your aim assist. Otherwise it is better in every other respect.
I don't like using a keyboard or mouse on a game, still sucks. Aim assist will only be increased if KB+M are added which is another reason I dislike the idea. So in fact I aim and prefer no aim assist but thanks for your uneducated post again.
Still not better. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:06:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:Enough with the kb/m thread spam already! If this game wasalso released on pc, then I'd say yes to balance it out but it's a ps3 exclusive so there is no good reason to do it other than the fact that some people don't know how to use a controller properly. This game was made for PS3 players who have no problem using a controller for FPS, not to atract whiny pc players who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn without kb/m. If any of you decide to get rid of your ps3 because of this, good riddance, the rest of us are doing just fine. Well, I'll say the same thing to people who can't upgrade to a mouse and keyboard and quit as a result: Good riddance. This is better for everyone. If you don't want to move forward, we're happy leaving you behind. Just like when we move onto a new generation of hardware, just like when HD TVs come out, we can't stop and wait for those unwilling to upgrade. Except this upgrade is a decade late.
I do have mouse and keyboard for my PS3 but I don't want to use it because in prevents me from lying in my couch comfortably while playing. If they put in kb/m, I'll be forced to use it if I want to be able to compete with other kb/m users and then I'll either have to sit up or lie in an awkward position which is unacceptable because I'm too high for this shite! |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:07:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:I do have mouse and keyboard for my PS3 but I don't want to use it because in prevents me from lying in my couch comfortably while playing. If they put in kb/m, I'll be forced to use it if I want to be able to compete with other kb/m users and then I'll either have to sit up or lie in an awkward position which is unacceptable because I'm too high for this shite!
Sounds like a personal problem. Harden the **** up. |
OnsIaught
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:08:00 -
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Mr514 wrote:there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
This isn't like other games - Evetard |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:08:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:
I don't like using a keyboard or mouse on a game, still sucks. Aim assist will only be increased if KB+M are added which is another reason I dislike the idea. So in fact I aim and prefer no aim assist but thanks for your uneducated post again.
Still not better.
Then get into specifics: Why do you prefer gamepad over mouse and keyboard? |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:09:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I do have mouse and keyboard for my PS3 but I don't want to use it because in prevents me from lying in my couch comfortably while playing. If they put in kb/m, I'll be forced to use it if I want to be able to compete with other kb/m users and then I'll either have to sit up or lie in an awkward position which is unacceptable because I'm too high for this shite! Sounds like a personal problem. Harden the **** up.
So does the inability to use a controller, I assume you have opposable thumbs, use them. |
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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:09:00 -
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OnsIaught wrote:Mr514 wrote:there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
This isn't like other games - Evetard
There's no reason why it can't be like those games. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:09:00 -
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OnsIaught wrote:Mr514 wrote:there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
This isn't like other games - Evetard
You're breaking our Emergent Gameplay by forcing Keyboard and Mouse in Dust!
Benjamin Hellios wrote:So does the inability to use a controller, I assume you have opposable thumbs, use them.
Naw, see.. my thumbs are used for a number of purposes. First, the thumb on the left is used for crouching, jumping, and tertiary actions. I've also got four other fingers that can do a multitude of things.
My right hand, my thumb is bracing the mouse, and even better, it can hit Mouse Button4 and Mouse Button5 for reloading and a tertiary action. |
Mr514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:15:00 -
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OnsIaught wrote:Mr514 wrote:there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
This isn't like other games - Evetard
And your point is?.. LoL.. i have been in EvE online for 8 years, and i do realy know that this ISNT like any other game.. And will never be like any other games in the world. |
TheReaper852
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:16:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:
I don't like using a keyboard or mouse on a game, still sucks. Aim assist will only be increased if KB+M are added which is another reason I dislike the idea. So in fact I aim and prefer no aim assist but thanks for your uneducated post again.
Still not better.
Then get into specifics: Why do you prefer gamepad over mouse and keyboard?
Fits in my hand, easy to reach buttons, don't have to set it on a desk, can sit comfortly on my couch, I can easily move it, requires no cord or plug in,. |
Wicked-The-Croatian Sensation
11
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:19:00 -
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Mr514 wrote:OnsIaught wrote:Mr514 wrote:there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
This isn't like other games - Evetard And your point is?.. LoL.. i have been in EvE online for 8 years, and i do realy know that this ISNT like any other game.. And will never be like any other games in the world.
Cool story bro but you were a nobody on EVE even after 8 years giggling.jpg |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:20:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:
I don't like using a keyboard or mouse on a game, still sucks. Aim assist will only be increased if KB+M are added which is another reason I dislike the idea. So in fact I aim and prefer no aim assist but thanks for your uneducated post again.
Still not better.
Then get into specifics: Why do you prefer gamepad over mouse and keyboard? Fits in my hand, easy to reach buttons, don't have to set it on a desk, can sit comfortly on my couch, I can easily move it, requires no cord or plug in,.
Good ergonomic mouse fits in your hands easily. You have 153+ buttons to reach on a keyboard, all within easy access. You can sit comfortably on your couch with a decent hard mousepad. You can easily move a keyboard and mouse. You can easily use/have a wireless mouse and keyboard.
Extra Pros: You can use these devices on a PC or 360 as well. |
Carl Krieg
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:22:00 -
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You can buy adapters like eagle eye and others, who convert keyboard and mouse movements into controller commands. With them Dust feels like an PC-Shooter and yes, aiming is very acurate, if configured well.
A discussion is useless if there are such options. You can be against native Keyboard/Mouse support, but you can't prevent players from using what they like. And there is no way to prevent such adapters.
No native support of kb/m = advantage for players who use kb/m with an adapter With native Support = equal opportunities for all |
TheReaper852
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:25:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:
I don't like using a keyboard or mouse on a game, still sucks. Aim assist will only be increased if KB+M are added which is another reason I dislike the idea. So in fact I aim and prefer no aim assist but thanks for your uneducated post again.
Still not better.
Then get into specifics: Why do you prefer gamepad over mouse and keyboard? Fits in my hand, easy to reach buttons, don't have to set it on a desk, can sit comfortly on my couch, I can easily move it, requires no cord or plug in,. Good ergonomic mouse fits in your hands easily. You have 153+ buttons to reach on a keyboard, all within easy access. You can sit comfortably on your couch with a decent hard mousepad. You can easily move a keyboard and mouse. You can easily use/have a wireless mouse and keyboard. Extra Pros: You can use these devices on a PC or 360 as well.
Keyboard doesn't fit in my hand, hard mousepad+mouse+keyboard sitting on the couch sounds awful please don't say that again I do not want to shuffling around with all this crap, oh please help me 153 buttons? I don't want to have to be jumping around to find buttons while I'm in a fight.
Wireless ok but that means I have to go out and spend more money on a mouse and keyboard when I already have a ps3 controller. Ps3 players won't want to spend more money on accesories, of course some will but that limits the people interested even more. |
Dillan NightStorm
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:26:00 -
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/Gets Popcorn to sit back and watch another 40 page argument over KB/M v Controller |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:27:00 -
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Carl Krieg wrote:You can buy adapters like eagle eye and others, who convert keyboard and mouse movements into controller commands. With them Dust feels like an PC-Shooter and yes, aiming is very acurate, if configured well.
A discussion is useless if there are such options. You can be against native Keyboard/Mouse support, but you can't prevent players from using what they like. And there is no way to prevent such adapters.
No native support of kb/m = advantage for players who use kb/m with an adapter With native Support = equal opportunities for all
I'll be fair here.
First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay.
Second, the argument against it is that mouse and keyboard being in common usage will make their preferred control method obsolete. Rather than it being limited to a handful of people who have it, now most players will have it. |
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Wicked-The-Croatian Sensation
11
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:28:00 -
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Controllers are for people in shape |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:29:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:
Keyboard doesn't fit in my hand, hard mousepad+mouse+keyboard sitting on the couch sounds awful please don't say that again I do not want to shuffling around with all this crap, oh please help me 153 buttons? I don't want to have to be jumping around to find buttons while I'm in a fight.
Wireless ok but that means I have to go out and spend more money on a mouse and keyboard when I already have a ps3 controller. Ps3 players won't want to spend more money on accesories, of course some will but that limits the people interested even more.
It's actually not that bad. Since my PC broke down, I've been using my PS3 to browse the web from my couch. With the setup I have right now with my wireless mouse and keyboard, it's actually very comfortable. I'd actually argue that it is more comfortable than using a gamepad, but that's just me. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:30:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:Keyboard doesn't fit in my hand, hard mousepad+mouse+keyboard sitting on the couch sounds awful please don't say that again I do not want to shuffling around with all this crap, oh please help me 153 buttons? I don't want to have to be jumping around to find buttons while I'm in a fight.
Wireless ok but that means I have to go out and spend more money on a mouse and keyboard when I already have a ps3 controller. Ps3 players won't want to spend more money on accesories, of course some will but that limits the people interested even more.
Keyboard can easily sit on any surface. Hell, if you're that worried you could always get a Nostromo or something.
Sitting on the couch with a mouse and keyboard is fine IF you're smart enough to be able to do it. (From what I've seen, most of the people *****ing here aren't..) If you have to "jump all around to find buttons", then you've got your configs wrong.
You're fine with spending $50+ on a Dualshock 3, but balk at buying a cheap USB-mouse? Okay... |
Hellaciouss Deeds
Doomheim
22
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:32:00 -
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If there is no kb/m im ebaying this piece of crap hardware known as the PS3 and will wait for the PC version which they better bring out. Consoles are out dated pieces of garbage compared to PC power. CCP said there will be KB/M, so I bought a PS3 an am waiting for it. No point in keeping the system if they aren't. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:OnsIaught wrote:Mr514 wrote:there is a million reasons of why they shoud have keyboard and mouse option on dust, (there are many games where you CAN use keyboard and mouse on a PS3! ;-) )
This isn't like other games - Evetard You're breaking our Emergent Gameplay by forcing Keyboard and Mouse in Dust!Benjamin Hellios wrote:So does the inability to use a controller, I assume you have opposable thumbs, use them. Naw, see.. my thumbs are used for a number of purposes. First, the thumb on the left is used for crouching, jumping, and tertiary actions. I've also got four other fingers that can do a multitude of things. My right hand, my thumb is bracing the mouse, and even better, it can hit Mouse Button4 and Mouse Button5 for reloading and a tertiary action.
Ok I get that, but you can do all those things with a controller, except aiming might be a bit slower. So if they do get kb/m, which I think they will tbh, they should match the turning speed of the mouse to that of the controller. I'm sure you'll hate that idea because it's considered 'dumbing down' but otherwise you're putting controller users at a disadvantage and at the end of the day it's a console game so there'll always be people using controllers, wether you like it or not. |
TheReaper852
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:TheReaper852 wrote:
Keyboard doesn't fit in my hand, hard mousepad+mouse+keyboard sitting on the couch sounds awful please don't say that again I do not want to shuffling around with all this crap, oh please help me 153 buttons? I don't want to have to be jumping around to find buttons while I'm in a fight.
Wireless ok but that means I have to go out and spend more money on a mouse and keyboard when I already have a ps3 controller. Ps3 players won't want to spend more money on accesories, of course some will but that limits the people interested even more.
It's actually not that bad. Since my PC broke down, I've been using my PS3 to browse the web from my couch. With the setup I have right now with my wireless mouse and keyboard, it's actually very comfortable. I'd actually argue that it is more comfortable than using a gamepad, but that's just me.
Exactly it is just you. You won't be able to convince the average ps3 player, they will turn it down without a thought. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote: First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay..
They don't.
Still love that PS3 "controller" crusaders are fine with Playstation Move. |
TheReaper852
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:35:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote: First, I heard those don't work very well. But that's hearsay..
They don't. Still love that PS3 "controller" crusaders are fine with Playstation Move.
They suck so I could care less. I don't use them and I don't want to buy one. |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:36:00 -
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Just curious if anyone had answered my question from before:
What game had good controller implementation and good KBM implementation and created a massive rift in the community?
The way people talk about this, it seems as though there was a terrific example of clear and overwhelming dominance of KBM in an actual game. I'm actually thinking good controller players and good KBM players would probably pretty much even out. Some people are more comfortable with one, other people with another. Let's just see how it turns out in the beta before we start throwing out all these ultimatums. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.01 21:36:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Ok I get that, but you can do all those things with a controller, except aiming might be a bit slower. So if they do get kb/m, which I think they will tbh, they should match the turning speed of the mouse to that of the controller. I'm sure you'll hate that idea because it's considered 'dumbing down' but otherwise you're putting controller users at a disadvantage and at the end of the day it's a console game so there'll always be people using controllers, wether you like it or not.
It's not that aiming is slower, it's that it's sluggish and imprecise. I fight with having to deal with a time investment for every single time I want to turn to some degree. No, You don't have to invest time to look to the left or right, you just do it.
I don't care if controller users are at a disadvantage. I want them to "move up" just the same. Enjoy the benefits of having a 1:1 input translation for shooters, makes them SO much better. I'll be happy to play against people with only a keyboard and mouse, but I want to see that market share grow and mature to the point where the Keyboard and Mouse become dominant for shooters.
Mouse input must be precise, direct, and un-accelerated input.
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