that is exactly the point as to why the console players are getting irrate about it. because its better. now dust are introducing kb/m on to a console system meaning there putting a system in place that will effectly give an unfair advntage over analoge players.

please dont give me the adaopt or die thoery. ccp didnt have to make this on console. so they have to take care of the market they are putting the game too

Players on PC (for games that y'know.. aren't given the one-size-fits-all treatment a-la Activision) don't get aim assist. They don't. Hitting a target on PC, is hitting a target. Those hitboxes are proper, and the mouse input is left alone.

"Analogue requires more dexterity". I'd argue against that considering more keys, more fine movements on the keyboard. Either way, this is a pretty stupid argument. Mice are better for shooters, everyone in here has pretty much agreed, therefore mice should be an option offered, despite people's fears of it being the "dominating input".

Stupid people with technical backgrounds that research this ****.



It's on the PS3 because Sony paid for it.

and as for the analoge im mostly refuring to the targetting sytem. not over all movement.

and yes i agree mouse is suprior and that is why consolers are annoyed. they dont have anything against the use of the mouse as long as its balanced so them using there controllers isnt going to be a hinderance. its simple unfair to put a game on console, then shaft console players using analoge sticks. and yes you can go into the point of adapt or die, what if ccp released a new game on pc and said we will be nerfing kb/m users and giving pad users an unfair advantage. would that be fair?

so if it wernt for sony, and its millions of analoge stick users dust would never of happened under any circumstance ever? or no one would of funded it on pc at all?

Your scenario wouldn't work because on the PC everyone would have a keyboard and mouse. Would there be support for gamepads? Probably, but there wouldn't be any special treatment for it. Direct-Input (IE: No Aim Assist, no acceleration on input, no other fiddling with hit detection or hitboxes) is really the only way to have a true skill-based contest of dexterity. Forcing people to have to deal with an inferior control system, then to have it bolstered by what is essentially a fail-tastic design basically shows that it's the game that ends up playing a portion of itself for you.

The beta for Battlefield 3 was insane. Aim Assist was so strong that I could literally shoot and kill a target by not touching the right stick. Aim Assist would follow the target entirely. The Aim Assist for Dust is also pretty strong, again removing the need to be precise and to place your shots.



Dust would have happened anyway in one form or another. Sony just made it easier by providing money.

Back in my day we only had D-Pads. You know what a "D-Pad" was? It was a digital directional pad. It had four buttons, you may have seen one yourself. It was used for EVERYTHING. Movement, aiming, so on. Those analogue sticks of yours sure gives a huge advantage though, you shouldn't be allowed to use them.

so your saying the scenerio wouldnt work because all pc players use kb/m. all consoles users analoge sticks to the same regard.

and again the point of the situation wasnt to theorise the likly hood. it was to question how would you feel if they did, as that is what you are asking console players to accept. some would except it. most would be seriously pissed off rather then feel its a test to there skill. that is how console players feel. otherwise its double standards.

and yes im nearly 30 so i know what a d-pad was. and using analoge sticks present a new range of games and advantages. and they tried to introduce k/b into consoles but they just didnt sell. pads are simple. space effecient. alot easy to use anywhere. there are advantages.

as i say im not objecting to there use at all. far from it. but they have to be balanced, all inputs have to be on a level playing field. and fact is the mouse gives it an unfair advantage. its made on a console, love it or loathe it but there it is. so they have to consider there primary market. which is stick users.

this game has been funded to make someone money, wether it is sony by selling units. or ccp though aurum. if they dont consider the primary market the game will fail. and that means it will get shut down.

as i say im not objecting to there use at all. far from it. but they have to be balanced, all inputs have to be on a level playing field. and fact is the mouse gives it an unfair advantage. its made on a console, love it or loathe it but there it is. so they have to consider there primary market. which is stick users.

this game has been funded to make someone money, wether it is sony by selling units. or ccp though aurum. if they dont consider the primary market the game will fail. and that means it will get shut down.

That's like saying a Keyboard ought to be able to emulate analogue input so that it's fair between a racing wheel and a keyboard in a racing game.

A keyboard + mouse is cheaper then a dualshock controller.

Just sayin.


CCP supposedly have plans to bring the game to the PC after the 1-year exclusivity agreement, so they will need good kb/m support anyway.

Sorry console kiddies, but it's time to realize that computers are replacing the crappy, over priced, under achieving garbage known as consoles. Consoles just aren't what they used to be.

if the racing game is being "sold" to racing wheel users. but as you said earlier racing and fps are different interms of the input. racing wheel users dont have a noticable advantage over keyboard users. its more about the experience.

Yea because PC shooter market is bigger than console shooter market Roll

Why dont you wait till PC release instead of unbalancing the console version with KB+M then

Racing wheel users don't have a noti-- are you kidding me? That might be true for kart style racing but for others analogue input is a must. A steering wheel (hell, a gamepad) has a HUGE advantage versus a keyboard, even for racing games on the PC. End result, people are expected to adapt to either get a controller or a steering wheel. It should be no different here.

OT: Went and had food.. Mmm food.



Yeah 'cause modern day developers make shooters that are worthwhile on the PC these days. Naw, instead they take the console experience and just slap it on the PC with limited FoV, lackluster controls, and terrible textures.

http://www.gamesradar.com/valve-reports-seventh-year-100-sales-growth-steam/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.359829-Sliding-Game-Sales-Hammer-Best-Buy

Oh, I'm sorry. The PC market is small? Gee, that's well backed up :3

CoD on PC is bad because Activision can't charge $15 for maps they already sold you in previous releases of their games as easily. People on consoles are used to paying through the nose for next to zero content, PC players expect something substantial. As a result, CoD has a higher profit margin on the consoles because of the closed environment.

PC gamers had enough of the BS, and don't buy MW2/3/whatever now because they can't expect Activision, Sledgehammer, and in some cases even Treyarch, to do it right.

Thread still going strong, baws! Also the condescension towards consoleplayers or 'console kiddies' on a forum for a console exclusive is puzzling.

Thread still going strong, baws! Also the condescension towards consoleplayers or 'console kiddies' on a forum for a console exclusive is puzzling.

http://www.gamesradar.com/valve-reports-seventh-year-100-sales-growth-steam/

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.359829-Sliding-Game-Sales-Hammer-Best-Buy

Oh, I'm sorry. The PC market is small? Gee, that's well backed up :3

Thread still going strong, baws! Also the condescension towards consoleplayers or 'console kiddies' on a forum for a console exclusive is puzzling.

Because CCP promised KB/M support, and also supposedly working on PC client for then the 1year exlusivity agreement is over. Why would PC players lag behind a year on their characters? We're forced to buy the PS3 (because many EVE players want to participate in the battles over THEIR planets), but don't worry, soon as the PC client is released...hello ebay! Some sucker will buy it.

Because CCP promised KB/M support, and also supposedly working on PC client for then the 1year exlusivity agreement is over. Why would PC players lag behind a year on their characters? We're forced to buy the PS3 (because many EVE players want to participate in the battles over THEIR planets), but don't worry, soon as the PC client is released...hello ebay! Some sucker will buy it.

thats the point why controller crusaders as you put it are protesting against kb/m because they have superiority. its un balanced. put it this way.

if ccp were to release a new game on PC but gave left handed players an unfair advantage. what do you think would happen? exactly the same as releasing kb/m support as is on console. some would learn to play left handed, others would just fight on right handed. but most pc players would be in uproar, and refuse to play. not giving it the player base it deserves and thus eventually dieing. as long as its balanced i dont mind.

i really really wish ccp could give us some offical word as to whats going on with it to stop these endless threads going on about it. starting to get boring.