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hellcat420
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:45:00 -
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Farson Thrask wrote:hellcat420 wrote: lol @ keyboard and mouse being new to anyone. the problem is consoles players prefer controllers over keyboard/mouse. that is why they play on console and not pc. what is silly is pc users coming to a console game and demanding an input device that will give an unfair advantage because you cant hack using a controller.
You seem to be confused about who is demanding what. CCP has stated since long ago that KB/M would be supported in the game. The only ones demanding anything are those that are demanding that CCP remove KB/M support just because they don't wan't to use it themselves, that is what's silly.
looks like a lot of demanding for keyboard and mouse because devs said it would be supported sometime in teh past, and a lot of **** talking on gamepads to me. i dont see anyone saying they wont play if they add keyboard and mouse support, but i do see people saying they wont play if it doesnt support keyboard and mouse. |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:50:00 -
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Farson Thrask wrote:hellcat420 wrote: lol @ keyboard and mouse being new to anyone. the problem is consoles players prefer controllers over keyboard/mouse. that is why they play on console and not pc. what is silly is pc users coming to a console game and demanding an input device that will give an unfair advantage because you cant hack using a controller.
You seem to be confused about who is demanding what. CCP has stated since long ago that KB/M would be supported in the game. The only ones demanding anything are those that are demanding that CCP remove KB/M support just because they don't wan't to use it themselves, that is what's silly.
actually the vast majority of people, my self inclued. are not wishing it to be gone at all. i fully welcome kb/m, what we want is for it to be balanced so that kb/m offer no unfair advantage to the mouse abilty to be more accurate. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:53:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:
actually the vast majority of people, my self inclued. are not wishing it to be gone at all. i fully welcome kb/m, what we want is for it to be balanced so that kb/m offer no unfair advantage to the mouse abilty to be more accurate.
If you're gonna nerf it, there's no point.
Nerf the turning speed at most. Don't make the mouse controls really crappy and hard to aim with.
Instead, buff gamepads. |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:55:00 -
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tribu guybrush wrote:
i kinda am im not going to play FPS whit DS3 i might try move but i think its eaven worse.... But realy if there is no workin m&k support i will just enjoy orbital bombing the **** out of console noobs! I have tested the game once and decided its mot playable by my standards whitout mouse. Im all about fee will and choises so i want to coose the natrual & fun way of playing.
i do understund the console guys in a way becous all new is naturaly fraighning to human nature. but sayin no to things that arent mandotory to use is kinda silly.
to suggest the only reason console players dont want kb/m is because were scared really is very ignorant. for a start need i point out us console players have to be sitting at a pc of some kind using a kb/m to use this forum. but that aside its not to do with kb/m being implimented, its how its put in that conserns consolers. as standard a mouse will out shine a ds3 because its a point and click system if you will. so making the game no fun for those who dont play kb/m (like most of the gamers in dust). hence the debate |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:58:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Vetis Cato wrote:
actually the vast majority of people, my self inclued. are not wishing it to be gone at all. i fully welcome kb/m, what we want is for it to be balanced so that kb/m offer no unfair advantage to the mouse abilty to be more accurate.
If you're gonna nerf it, there's no point. Nerf the turning speed at most. Don't make the mouse controls really crappy and hard to aim with. Instead, buff gamepads.
i definatly agree. i wouldnt want kb/m users experience to be ruined by a silly nerf. hell it would be very double standards of me to suggest i want it to be balanced then ruin kb/m users game wouldnt it. increase hit boxes for pads would be where id start.
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Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
13
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:07:00 -
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Vetis Cato wrote:Farson Thrask wrote:hellcat420 wrote: lol @ keyboard and mouse being new to anyone. the problem is consoles players prefer controllers over keyboard/mouse. that is why they play on console and not pc. what is silly is pc users coming to a console game and demanding an input device that will give an unfair advantage because you cant hack using a controller.
You seem to be confused about who is demanding what. CCP has stated since long ago that KB/M would be supported in the game. The only ones demanding anything are those that are demanding that CCP remove KB/M support just because they don't wan't to use it themselves, that is what's silly. actually the vast majority of people, my self inclued. are not wishing it to be gone at all. i fully welcome kb/m, what we want is for it to be balanced so that kb/m offer no unfair advantage to the mouse abilty to be more accurate.
Well then you're not included in that statement of course. I'm not against balance, but I find it hard to believe that KB/M can be balanced to the point of not offering any advantage over DS3 without nerfing it to the point where it feels like trying to run an obstacle course with a broken leg. But I admit I have no idea what's it's really like to be pro with the DS3 either, I'm so bad I just run with the shotgun and aim almost exclusively by sidestepping. |
Cinder Integ
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
23
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:07:00 -
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Just give me something to shoot. Whether it's a DS3, PSMove, or KB+M I'm ready to stake my claim in this galaxy. |
GenStigma
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:08:00 -
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Okay... Seriously what is all this huff and puff from these 'Afraid of Change Console Gamers'? Whining about the game being unbalanced if people have a choice of three different input devices? This isn't the first game with multiple input devices in a competitive nature. The best example of this is Killzone 3. By far it has the best Playstation Move control experience. Players have the choice to play with a Dualshock 3 controller or a PS Move and you don't get any whining about it being unfair. It boasts tremendous online play, the Move plays fairly close to a Keyboard and Mouse, it's still quite competitive. Honestly, if you're afraid it's going to be unfair then you're being insecure about your own skills. |
hellcat420
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:14:00 -
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GenStigma wrote:Okay... Seriously what is all this huff and puff from these 'Afraid of Change Console Gamers'? Whining about the game being unbalanced if people have a choice of three different input devices? This isn't the first game with multiple input devices in a competitive nature. The best example of this is Killzone 3. By far it has the best Playstation Move control experience. Players have the choice to play with a Dualshock 3 controller or a PS Move and you don't get any whining about it being unfair. It boasts tremendous online play, the Move plays fairly close to a Keyboard and Mouse, it's still quite competitive. Honestly, if you're afraid it's going to be unfair then you're being insecure about your own skills.
well thats because there is a good balance between those devices in kz3, and one doesn't give you an innate advantage over the other. |
GenStigma
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:19:00 -
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hellcat420 wrote:GenStigma wrote:Okay... Seriously what is all this huff and puff from these 'Afraid of Change Console Gamers'? Whining about the game being unbalanced if people have a choice of three different input devices? This isn't the first game with multiple input devices in a competitive nature. The best example of this is Killzone 3. By far it has the best Playstation Move control experience. Players have the choice to play with a Dualshock 3 controller or a PS Move and you don't get any whining about it being unfair. It boasts tremendous online play, the Move plays fairly close to a Keyboard and Mouse, it's still quite competitive. Honestly, if you're afraid it's going to be unfair then you're being insecure about your own skills. well thats because there is a good balance between those devices in kz3, and one doesn't give you an innate advantage over the other.
That said, I would certainly hope CCP would take note. I think weighted controls as in Killzone 3 would really help keep it fair. Just as long as you can't whip around 180 degrees in the flick of a wrist. |
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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:19:00 -
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I say we implement it raw the first time and see if anything can or should be done. |
hellcat420
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:24:00 -
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GenStigma wrote:hellcat420 wrote:GenStigma wrote:Okay... Seriously what is all this huff and puff from these 'Afraid of Change Console Gamers'? Whining about the game being unbalanced if people have a choice of three different input devices? This isn't the first game with multiple input devices in a competitive nature. The best example of this is Killzone 3. By far it has the best Playstation Move control experience. Players have the choice to play with a Dualshock 3 controller or a PS Move and you don't get any whining about it being unfair. It boasts tremendous online play, the Move plays fairly close to a Keyboard and Mouse, it's still quite competitive. Honestly, if you're afraid it's going to be unfair then you're being insecure about your own skills. well thats because there is a good balance between those devices in kz3, and one doesn't give you an innate advantage over the other. That said, I would certainly hope CCP would take note. I think weighted controls as in Killzone 3 would really help keep it fair. Just as long as you can't whip around 180 degrees in the flick of a wrist.
and hopefully they do something other than add aim assist to try to balance them, cause aim assist hurts more than helps. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:27:00 -
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The Playstation Move gives a substantial advantage to Killzone 3. Accuracy is oh-so-much better with it, as well as gesture-based actions such as reloading. Sorry, but when comparing one to the other, the Move provides better input, just like the Keyboard and Mouse will. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:36:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:The Playstation Move gives a substantial advantage to Killzone 3. Accuracy is oh-so-much better with it, as well as gesture-based actions such as reloading. Sorry, but when comparing one to the other, the Move provides better input, just like the Keyboard and Mouse will.
Yeah, I bet it is just unfinished.
But the big problem here is that Move is expensive. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:42:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:The Playstation Move gives a substantial advantage to Killzone 3. Accuracy is oh-so-much better with it, as well as gesture-based actions such as reloading. Sorry, but when comparing one to the other, the Move provides better input, just like the Keyboard and Mouse will. Yeah, I bet it is just unfinished. But the big problem here is that Move is expensive.
So give what is essentially the Move+, at a fraction of the cost, support in this shooter. $20 and you've got the best input option (provided it's supported properly) you can get for a shooter. |
GenStigma
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:45:00 -
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For myself while playing Killzone 3 with the Move, I do get a tremendous jump in control and finesse. Though, I've always been the one playing FPS on console with friends and griping about how terrible analog sticks are for precision work. I've just never seen or heard anyone in KZ3 whine about how unfair it is. I imagine those players that do play with the Dualshock 3 are just like my friends, which are in my mind remarkably great and accurate with their thumbs. lol
**Edit** I personally love my PS3 and console games, however I've always wanted a solid FPS game that supported mouse and keyboard, so I'm all for more input options. |
Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:47:00 -
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Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. |
Freyar Tarkin
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:06:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it.
Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters. |
Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
13
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:07:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters.
Which is best for everyone and for the future of console gaming. |
hellcat420
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:27:00 -
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Farson Thrask wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters. Which is best for everyone and for the future of console gaming.
or it will kill this game because as i stated before most people who play on console don't want to play on keyboard/mouse or else they would be playing on a pc. |
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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:29:00 -
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hellcat420 wrote:or it will kill this game because as i stated before most people who play on console don't want to play on keyboard/mouse or else they would be playing on a pc.
But Dust 514 isn't on PC. So we'll have PC gamers to make up the difference.
:3 |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:32:00 -
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hellcat420 wrote:Farson Thrask wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters. Which is best for everyone and for the future of console gaming. or it will kill this game because as i stated before most people who play on console don't want to play on keyboard/mouse or else they would be playing on a pc.
Obviously all of us console players are just too stupid and poor to play on PC and use KBM, it has nothing to do with preference, parity, or any other reasonable argument we can conjure. The KBM player are our FPS saviors here to show us what morons we are. |
hellcat420
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:37:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:hellcat420 wrote:Farson Thrask wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters. Which is best for everyone and for the future of console gaming. or it will kill this game because as i stated before most people who play on console don't want to play on keyboard/mouse or else they would be playing on a pc. Obviously all of us console players are just too stupid and poor to play on PC and use KBM, it has nothing to do with preference, parity, or any other reasonable argument we can conjure. The KBM player are our FPS saviors here to show us what morons we are.
i guess since i game on both console and pc and see both sides of the coin i don't know what i'm talking about. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:46:00 -
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Well, you've got 420 in your name, so you're cool in my book.
Honestly, we're all obviously passionate about this game, and although some of us disagree pretty strongly on this issue, I hope there isn't any ill will resulting from all this. You ALL are cool as far as I'm concerned, don't take my snark and snarl as anything more serious than a healthy dose of debate. BETA BROS (AND SISTERS) 4 LYF YO! |
Arcushek Dion
Doomheim
73
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:51:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Maybe it is the fact that mouse and keyboard is so accessible and easy to find for an affordable price that people hate. Because then nearly everyone will use it. Which will require them to do it too since that becomes the input method of choice for shooters.
M & K has been the control method of choice for 15+ years. That it hasn't been adopted for consoles is imo a mistake. But consoles need a controller that's good for all types of games and not just one, so gamepad wins out in that respect. It served to hold back cross platform play as well |
hellcat420
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:56:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Well, you've got 420 in your name, so you're cool in my book.
Honestly, we're all obviously passionate about this game, and although some of us disagree pretty strongly on this issue, I hope there isn't any ill will resulting from all this. You ALL are cool as far as I'm concerned, don't take my snark and snarl as anything more serious than a healthy dose of debate. BETA BROS (AND SISTERS) 4 LYF YO!
well pushing keyboard and mouse over controller will alienate 90% of the playerbase of this game right out of the gate, and that is bad business. this is the first form of cross platform play we are gonna get and starting off alienating most of the people who play on the games sole system is flat out stupid, not to mention gonna give other pause into trying to make more cross platform games. keyboard and mouse support is fine, but not at the expense of the primary control of the system. they need to either figure out how to properly balance them(not aim assist) or drop keyboard and mouse if they want this to be a successful game. personally i prefer the first option. |
Farson Thrask
Machetes at Midnight Ghosts of Deep Space
13
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:10:00 -
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Properly balancing them is what CCP intends to do already, we'll just have to wait and see if they succeed or not. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.07.06 11:55:00 -
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http://www.penguinunited.com/ it doesn't matter ;( |
Mr514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.07 09:56:00 -
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Why is most people bitching, whining and complaning about keyboard and mouse.. Get UP, Move FORWARD.. We are in 2012, and more stuff comming every ******* year. We are not living in Atari, nitendo or PS1 year anymore. Anything is possible, there is no problems in the world, just challenges. If people cant take the challange of getting cheap keyboard and mouse to plug it to the PS3, or this Eagle eye for other games, you gyes realy dont realy want to have awsome and good controle of the character/toon on the game. If you laying back in the sofa and using a controller, you are in NO possition to realy be aming and performing in any game. You are then just laid back and playing something that makes the time fly. Anyhow with that written, there are other complex options to mount systems around you where you ARE able to lay down in the sofa and use mouse and keyboard.. hehe. |
Spushkin
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.07.07 10:12:00 -
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I like my sofa, and I kill things just fine with the gamepad while in a semi-lying position. |
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