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also I suggest you keep just one post for the list and one for the petition itself

If you think the only way for a gunnlogi to beat an armor blaster tank is rail, you are sad. Missile turrets can SHRED one if you engage them first and outside of its blaster range while backpedaling. Sheesh. Fail.

Yea....you obviously haven't been in a real p/c fight against good tankers if you think puny gunn with missles can still destroy madrugars

Yea....you obviously haven't been in a real p/c fight against good tankers if you think puny gunn with missles can still destroy madrugars

Alright let's play a game of logic shield missle v mad blaster outside city shield wins shield missle v mad blaster inside city mad wins now marry where do you see mads 95% of the time? besides im not trying to say it's not possible for gunns to kill mads ive killed many mads but based of stats and other info mads outgun gunns and thats perfectly fine im just saying shields need the speed like they used to too stand a chance or i'll just continue to rail mads like i do in p/c

this is the wrong room, and a bad idea.

If you think the only way for a gunnlogi to beat an armor blaster tank is rail, you are sad. Missile turrets can SHRED one if you engage them first and outside of its blaster range while backpedaling. Sheesh. Fail.

missile cant dish out enough damage in time and because of the speed mads have the window in which missiles are more effective closes almost instantly.

LoL

You can take my name off the list

crybaby tankers are crybabys

I <3 my lame shield tank as said in previous posts

Voids a *****

/thread

No to your forge gun nerf. Keep your tank moving and you won't be blown up. Good tankers know what I'm talking about.

i've gone 80-0 before with tanks, i've been tanking longer than you've had dust, im a damn good tanker, but i do undestand the inbalance of a forgegun up on a roof shooting down on a tank where theirs no cover or no way to hide. You want us to keep moving? Then sign the damn petition to either buff tanks or make them cheaper and faster.

I want to make a good game. Dust 514 needs intense vehicle on vehicle combat, as well as neck and neck fights between powerful machines and dedicated av players. Whether or not we agree on suggested changes we have to respect each others roles. I don't want to ruin a av players experience like they shouldn't want to ruin mine. Im usually pretty good at keeping tanks alive, I don't redline snipe, but because of the over whelming amount of strong av ive honestly thought about it. You may not like it but you cant deny that tanks are becoming obsolete in New Eden and they need help.

Fine lets make a compromise. Buff your tank all you want. In return make hitting the tanks weak spot do 8 times damage. That way you can't be blown up unless I get in back of you. Will that make you happy?

Fine lets make a compromise. Buff your tank all you want. In return make hitting the tanks weak spot do 8 times damage. That way you can't be blown up unless I get in back of you. Will that make you happy?

keeping a tank moving wont save it from a forgegun. if I can be flying as fast as possible in a asd and still get hit tanks are fair game. You know how often logi lavs pull up with a proto assault forgegun and gun tanks down?

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

I'm not a tanker, I never will be, but I want all of these things. Fantastic post and GL.

supported, lengthy, but has all the points.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

hey i thought of some skill ideas of what the amarr and caldari pilot suit bonus's could be
and i would like to hear other vehicle/av players to tell me what you think.

amarr pilot suit +2% to module active time per level.

caldari pilot suit +15% to vehicle shield recharge rate per level.

please let me know what you all (excluding trolls) think of this.

by the way i completely support this thread gunns need a bit of love and turret costs are insane
and almost completely nullify the price cut to dropships great thread tanks overall need to be a bit more like tanks.

I want to make a good game. Dust 514 needs intense vehicle on vehicle combat, as well as neck and neck fights between powerful machines and dedicated av players. Whether or not we agree on suggested changes we have to respect each others roles. I don't want to ruin a av players experience like they shouldn't want to ruin mine. Im usually pretty good at keeping tanks alive, I don't redline snipe, but because of the over whelming amount of strong av ive honestly thought about it. You may not like it but you cant deny that tanks are becoming obsolete in New Eden and they need help.

honestly I think this is more of an awareness petition over a meet our demands or else kinda thing. I don't agree with all the points, but Id rather have some points seen imstead of trying to convince everyone and eventually come to a consensus then have it posted.

Thank you for acknowledging AV players. I don't want to ruin your experience. If it were up to me I would make your tank cost as much as my FG. Another solution would be to put barriers on the top of buildings to prevent tower forge gunning. I see alot of people complaining about that.

I've read only ~half oft the posts (old and new thread) but I fully support gbh08 here.
Fyi, I currently sit in a 600k railgun madrugar.

We can one-shot 90% of every infantary, kill enemy installations with ease, kill lav, air and other hav and take a ton of damage.
What do you guys want more? Of course 3-4 proto AV guys can kill you in a coordinated attack, but they are food for your mates and paying also thousands of ISK.

It is good how it is at the moment.

[quote=Void Echo]1st petition that tank drivers have made[/qu



So.....i've created the first unification of tanks on DUST514?

I've read only ~half oft the posts (old and new thread) but I fully support gbh08 here.
Fyi, I currently sit in a 600k railgun madrugar.

We can one-shot 90% of every infantary, kill enemy installations with ease, kill lav, air and other hav and take a ton of damage.
What do you guys want more? Of course 3-4 proto AV guys can kill you in a coordinated attack, but they are food for your mates and paying also thousands of ISK.

It is good how it is at the moment.

My Addition-

Give us the advanced and Prototype HAVs already, we are tired of waiting, and make them actually worth the SP and ISK required to use them. The PG/CPU output of the Advanced and Prototype should be increased form the standard stats, and the base shield and armor should be increased by around 10% for both tiers.


im not saying to make a god mode tank, im saying make them worth the cost that they are and are going to be.

Also, remove the Enforcers, they are a complete joke of HAVs, they are utterly useless and die faster than militia HAVs do. the SP people put into the Enforcers should be redirected into the advanced HAV category so they don't get cheated by this.

no, just the 1st tank petition

@Void Echo
No, I only sympathize with him.
Who cares about the label? Standard, Adv, Proto ... we could label the mad/gunn as prototype if you want. Also, one tank cost as much as the gear it takes to kill it easily. So I see no problem here, despite the naming, no.

@TakeCover OrDie
I don't stay on mountains right now (mainly because of the missing drawing above 300 m). Usually I stay behind the infantry line right now, somewhere near cover. High armor, 2x hardeners and heavy repair offer a big enough time window to take cover, if they try to focus me.
Forges have 300 m range and swarms aren't that intelligent, but yeah, those people kill you and this is fine. Four AVs in Protogear pay as much as my tank for their equip and they are just food for my infantry.

I won many games just because the enemy had to switch to AV and got steamrolled by our assaults. From public skirmish to PC a high amount of coordination appears and things get harder, but this is the case for every role, not just tanks.

There was the petition not to kill eachother in 1.0

Since he is banned, he asked me to post this for him.

BobThe843CakeMan signs this petition

I have been in a pc fight with them, and a GOOD user of missiles can send a blaster madrugar running -IF- you engage him at range. You WILL die if you engage at his range or within easy sprint distance.

THINK, DAMNIT!

All of you pansies who want CCP to spoon feed ya!

You think armor has it EASY in PC either?
Hell no!
Almost the entire other side consists of some proto level explosive AV and the cleverness to use tactics to take you out.
Its no walk in the park for us either,

-BUT-

I don't cry for an "iWin" button when I lose.

So far the supporters of the list are:
Tank Gorillarape
Die Quickly
I Keel You
TakeCoverOrDie
FIghter4All
Barbosa07z
Void Echo
CharCharOdell
TheLegend345
Killer-12
Vethosis
Viktor Viktrizi
Tai karl
Oso Tiburon
GodHands9
Exergonic
gboh8
Dark Deviser
NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE
Cy Clone1
Racro 01 Arifitsan
Code Slucid
Xender17
Tank Creno
Shield Creno
BatKing Deltor
Cormacks modified Griefr
Sgt ButtScratch
Cucch Commander
Nix Vulken
Crimson Judgement
Patoman Radient
Xocoyl Zaraoul
bear90211
Don Savage2013
DickMason

You forgot to add my name to the list

Do any or all of the things mentioned in this thread and rivers of tears will flow from the AV guys.

CCP knows that money comes form the foot AR soldiers and not you tankers.

Hell your DEV has gone MIA from these forums do to the fact that him and his team can't get vehicle balance right.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

I agree with this guy.

You are all asking for the wrong things to balance the game.

Im persomally happy with std and adv AV balance against us but its the lack of true proto tanks and mods that make us like paper thin against pro av . Thats the imbalance if we got our proto havs and not more sub standard adv havs we would see the balance.

Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both?

Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both?

omg finally someone that understands what im talking about

God iv been screeming this since the start of uprising and the removal of the marauders.

Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both?

No because proto AV can easily solo them in 2-3 shots

Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both?

If you don't have resists or reps then sure. But that's your fault for not using your modules.

so wanting advanced and prototype havs would unbalance a game where infantry has advanced and prototype av weapons available?

There will always be an imbalance between vehicles and infantry, A HAV will slaughter infantry in a few seconds. For Infantry it takes alot longer so putting proto HAV and modules will only make HAV survive a little better, they will still farm infantry.

Now dont get me wrong some AV is quite powerfull and does to HAV what HAV do to them and yes some AV is easier to use than others. (lolnades and lolswarms)

Swarms do to armour HAV what forge do to shield HAV, they hammer them if they catch them off guard.

Vehicles should be balanced between other vehicles not between AV. If you balance it with AV it defeats the point of AV. What would be the point of using AV if killing a vehicle is easier with another vehicle? you would just call in another vehicle to take them out. Vehicles are also anti Infantry as well as AV so as a tankers you have an all round role and are very versitile.

CCP need to look at the balance between vehicle variants and their modules, THEN look at introducing proto variants. Which is what they should have done with all weapon types. But such a big update wont be for a long time 6 - 12 months so whining to them to bring in proto vehicles aint helping.

This petition wont change any thing, all CCP will see is a list of whiners and will be less likely to listen to your input in the future.

Like i said you have your priorities in the wrong order, your all being greedy.

HTFU and be patient

So let me rephrase my question:
Nowadays (and now I would like to use more realistic numbers) 3-4 Proto Forgegunners / Swarmers can reliably kill my Madruger even with me retreating, 2x hardners and repairs running.

So, how many AV Infantry you want to be able to kill / survive to? Four AV infantry is 25% of the enemy team.

so wanting advanced and prototype havs would unbalance a game where infantry has advanced and prototype av weapons available?

+1 to this from a full - time tanker

I will sign this as well as these are really good ideas that should be implemented

So far the supporters of the list are numbering over 50:
Tank Gorillarape
Die Quickly
I Keel You
TakeCoverOrDie
FIghter4All
Barbosa07z
Void Echo
CharCharOdell
TheLegend345
Killer-12
Vethosis
Viktor Viktrizi
Tai karl
Oso Tiburon
GodHands9
Exergonic
gboh8
Dark Deviser
NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE
Cy Clone1
Racro 01 Arifitsan
Code Slucid
Xender17
Tank Creno
Shield Creno
BatKing Deltor
Cormacks modified Griefr
Sgt ButtScratch
Cucch Commander
Nix Vulken
Crimson Judgement
Patoman Radient
Xocoyl Zaraoul
bear90211
Don Savage2013
DickMason
Andrew Sheafer
BobThe843CakeMan
Godin The Killer
pegasis prime
Dizzy Rocket
marksmn
Aleksander Black
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
Takahir Kashuken
LudiKure ninda
Brjann Innree
Ninjanomyx
We Are 138
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Pombe Greek
Andra Syra
Gary Togeris
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Robotic Tortoise
Alpha 443-6732
ladwar
MetaWolf-cell

You still haven't added my name o the list :(

The Attorney General your obviously just a troll it doesn't take a squad to destroy a tank me single handedly can destroy and harrass a 1.5 mill dollar tank with just a swarm launcher or with a forge up on the roof. Yea we all know tanks have a target painted on them much like a proto setinel but i rarely ever have a well cordinated av attack squad against my tank it's just want 60k ballsy forge gun up on a roof or a swarm in a logi lav

Have a director attack the zion district.

If you can solo my tank before I destroy every installation on the field, I will cover the cost of the attack.

Someone tell Chicagocubs4ever about this!

Have a director attack the zion district.

If you can solo my tank before I destroy every installation on the field, I will cover the cost of the attack.

Make sure to tell everyone you know about this post

Reducing the price is fine, but I don't agree with anything else. Tanks shouldn't be a one man army. they are meant to be destroyed like anything else in the game. I still see 2-3 tanks every public match, so that tells me they can't be that underpowered. Decent tanks are usually number one on the end of match leader board.

My suggestions:
lower price
limit range of rail tanks to stop sniping from across the map

Reducing the price is fine, but I don't agree with anything else. Tanks shouldn't be a one man army. they are meant to be destroyed like anything else in the game. I still see 2-3 tanks every public match, so that tells me they can't be that underpowered. Decent tanks are usually number one on the end of match leader board.

My suggestions:
lower price
limit range of rail tanks to stop sniping from across the map
stop the unlimited ammo and make them resupply at supply depots - then they'll stop destroying them constantly since they need them as much as anyone else

Reducing the price is fine, but I don't agree with anything else. Tanks shouldn't be a one man army. they are meant to be destroyed like anything else in the game. I still see 2-3 tanks every public match, so that tells me they can't be that underpowered. Decent tanks are usually number one on the end of match leader board.

My suggestions:
lower price
limit range of rail tanks to stop sniping from across the map
stop the unlimited ammo and make them resupply at supply depots - then they'll stop destroying them constantly since they need them as much as anyone else

Also, where the KITTEN is CCP Blam!?

[..]Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.[..]

Reducing the price is fine, but I don't agree with anything else. Tanks shouldn't be a one man army. they are meant to be destroyed like anything else in the game. I still see 2-3 tanks every public match, so that tells me they can't be that underpowered. Decent tanks are usually number one on the end of match leader board.

My suggestions:
lower price
limit range of rail tanks to stop sniping from across the map
stop the unlimited ammo and make them resupply at supply depots - then they'll stop destroying them constantly since they need them as much as anyone else

you see 2-3 militia tanks in every match they are worthless and get destroyed easy I can fight a militia tanks in my madrugar with only a minor hit to my armor

A tank is not a one man army, trust me. It can't maneuver for **** and is a huge target. It doesn't even have the defense to back up its slow acceleration. Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.

The leaderboard is BS tbh, at the end of the game the tanker is top due to WP, half the time my tank is fragoed by the SL so when i take out installations and vehicles i get points for it while normal infantry have to do alot more to get 100WP where as i can 3 shot something, half the time i can get 1k of WP by hitting the installtions before the game has truly started

Limit rails - Then you have to limit the FG then aswell, also the range of SL if the rail cannot shoot as far as the SL

We cannot lock the vehicle or kick ppl out of the turrets who would waste our ammo spamming it as the mcc, how many to a clip? how long to reload? where do we resupply? is it at depots? if so then some depots need to be brought down to ground lvl, is it by special nanohive? if so we need it in the game

you see 2-3 militia tanks in every match they are worthless and get destroyed easy I can fight a militia tanks in my madrugar with only a minor hit to my armor

so 3-4 tanks that are considerably more "durable" is better? I disagree. So another suggestion. Limit tanks to 1 tank per side.

A tank is not a one man army, trust me. It can't maneuver for **** and is a huge target. It doesn't even have the defense to back up its slow acceleration. Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.

They aren't a one man army now, but they were before. And most tankers want that again.

I'm AV. Prototype swarms, level 5 proficiency, 2 complex damage modifiers. I even have a prototype logi suit that can equip 5 complex damage modifiers, but despite the claims in this thread, I've tested extensively and it's barely any stronger than 2, so it's not worth it.

So yes, with several million sp invested, I can 3 hit some madrugers. Many take 6+ hits or more if they use reppers. If I didn't combine AV nades, swarms, and help from others, they would never go down. Majority of players are these "idiots" (your words, not mine), so if I play solo against your new buffed tanks, I guess I'm expected to just accept dieing repeatedly and losing.

Despite all my investment, I'm still one-hitted by tanks who shoot the ground near me.

The leaderboard is BS tbh, at the end of the game the tanker is top due to WP, half the time my tank is fragoed by the SL so when i take out installations and vehicles i get points for it while normal infantry have to do alot more to get 100WP where as i can 3 shot something, half the time i can get 1k of WP by hitting the installtions before the game has truly started

So you want the number 1 position, the most WP, the highest kills, and the least deaths, then you will be satisfied?

Limit rails - Then you have to limit the FG then aswell, also the range of SL if the rail cannot shoot as far as the SL

That's not true. don't know about the FG, but I get killed by tanks that my swarms can't reach repeatedly.

We cannot lock the vehicle or kick ppl out of the turrets who would waste our ammo spamming it as the mcc, how many to a clip? how long to reload? where do we resupply? is it at depots? if so then some depots need to be brought down to ground lvl, is it by special nanohive? if so we need it in the game

Who cares if some blueberry uses up the ammo reserve on your small turret. You have a large one.

Resupply at supply depots like everyone else. locations of these are easy to change. But the supply is just a suggestion. There's no tanker in this game that's going to want limited ammo. Hell, I want unlimited ammo too, but alas, the rest of us are not so lucky as you.

I'm not trying to troll here, just giving my opinions. I see a lot of good tankers using good tactics and staying alive most matches while maintaining top position with the some of the highest k/d ratio's in the game. It seems unreasonable for anyone to throw any tank on the field and expect the same.

soooooo many things wrong with this guy's post, likely because hes infantry and knows nothing about driving tanks, if your not skilled into something don't talk about it because you don't know how it works

LOL, this guy thinks only tank drivers are entitled to speak.

I'm skilled into vehicles. I don't drive tanks because I don't like to drive them. So why don't you clarify which parts of my post are soooooo wrong?

your 1st statement on how you think there should be only one tank on each side of the battle, that would make this game too much like COD and no true dust player I know wants this to be a COD clone. the part of limited ammo, no way, we already have to worry about the enemy of getting the supply depots because of AV, you infantry can easily switch to AV within 2 seconds and immediately start hammering us, which is why we destroy them, eliminate the problem before it arises. and ok yeah I did say that anyone that doesn't know how to drive tanks shouldn't be posting mainly because all that ever comes out of your mouths are suggestions that will nerf us even more, and you immediately refuse anything that we suggest that will bring back the balance.

So you want the number 1 position, the most WP, the highest kills, and the least deaths, then you will be satisfied?



That's not true. don't know about the FG, but I get killed by tanks that my swarms can't reach repeatedly.



Who cares if some blueberry uses up the ammo reserve on your small turret. You have a large one.

Resupply at supply depots like everyone else. locations of these are easy to change. But the supply is just a suggestion. There's no tanker in this game that's going to want limited ammo. Hell, I want unlimited ammo too, but alas, the rest of us are not so lucky as you.

I'm not trying to troll here, just giving my opinions. I see a lot of good tankers using good tactics and staying alive most matches while maintaining top position with the some of the highest k/d ratio's in the game. It seems unreasonable for anyone to throw any tank on the field and expect the same.

As stated before, those are my opinions. You're allowed to disagree.

The statement that you shouldn't have to resupply because you're worried about AV is a poor argument. But like I said, nobody is ever going to want to have to resupply when they have unlimited ammo. But it seems a little odd to me that you can hammer down vehicles, installations, and infantry the entire match, barely letting go of the trigger and never running out of ammo.

I know this isn't real life, but real tanks require 4 people to man them and they still get disabled by RPG's. Why do solo tankers think they should be unbeatable by a single AV player? Just lower the price. Balance will be achieved.

Yes it is true, only time swarms dont hit is if im already behind cover yet they can still lock on and fly to my position

lower the price wont help alone, if you really want balance, then youl agree with us that getting advanced and prototype HAVs will finally bring the balance.

this is not like other games, in BF vehicles require more than 1 person to operate yes, but do those players personally skill up to get to drive them or operate the turrets, do they personally buy the vehicles they use there? no, no other game iv ever heard of lets you personally skill into and buy vehicles, Dust 514 stands alone in that.

for me to personally invest almost all of my SP into the skills of the tank then use my ISK to buy, then all of a sudden I get the message that im required to have people inside of my tank that never did the same? no way in hell will I ever let some random blue get into my vehicle and use the turrets.

and about the "well squad up and you wont have to worry about it", there are lots of times when im not able to squad up with others, either everyone is already in a match, squads are already full or nobody is online, leaving me to go solo (which is what I do 90% of the time).

They aren't a one man army now, but they were before. And most tankers want that again.

I'm AV. Prototype swarms, level 5 proficiency, 2 complex damage modifiers. I even have a prototype logi suit that can equip 5 complex damage modifiers, but despite the claims in this thread, I've tested extensively and it's barely any stronger than 2, so it's not worth it.

So yes, with several million sp invested, I can 3 hit some madrugers. Many take 6+ hits or more if they use reppers. If I didn't combine AV nades, swarms, and help from others, they would never go down. Majority of players are these "idiots" (your words, not mine), so if I play solo against your new buffed tanks, I guess I'm expected to just accept dieing repeatedly and losing.

Despite all my investment, I'm still one-hitted by tanks who shoot the ground near me.

(2 advanced nanohives will last you an entire match, look who also has unlimited ammo!) that take no effort or mental input from the user, no punishment for missing, just spam spam spam, and on top of that, these volleys do about 2k damage to my armor while I run about 40% armor resists.

Secondly, don't know where you are spending your SP because any good swarm launcher fit can be made with less than 2 mil sp (including dropsuits, modules, etc), anything more is inefficient for the SP cost and bloats the data. This compared to a tankers minimum SP cost of about 6mil, large isk costs, etc just goes to show the imbalance. Where tankers must work harder to be competitive, in comparison.

Lastly, if you are actually getting hit by a railgun as an AVer, you seriously need to rethink your strategies.

On my AV alt character with proto swarm launchers, I simply fly to the highest point of the map, lay down a nanohive and establish full map control from all vehicles, just because I know how to hold the trigger of a weapon down for 2 seconds in the general direction of my target and then release the trigger.

that's an interesting concept of unlimited ammo. by that logic, tanks will still have unlimited ammo if they have to resupply, so it shouldn't affect you. I've never seen a tank that wasn't spam, spam, spamming with no punishment for missing. Tanks do 3k+ damage to my lav in the span of a few seconds, much faster than swarms. So if I don't have the element of surprise, or good cover, there's little chance of surviving the encounter.



then allow me to enlighten you.
Level 3 weapony 174k
Level 3 light weapon 174k
Level 5 swarm launcher 621k
Level 5 Handheld weapon upgrades 621k
Level 5 Swarm proficiency 1.554 mil
Level 5 AV grenades 1.243 mil

That's just shy of 4.4mil. but wait, I don't have a suit yet. We need those when we're not in a tank, walking around with a swarm launcher and people are shooting as us. Throw on another 2 mil for your choice of suits. Sidearm would be nice so I'm not defenseless when the other 95% of your team attacks me. And those advance nanohives you think we all have cost sp too. You want me to use my Dropship and my LAV to help me beat you? well those cost SP too unless you want me to be OHK'd.


Are you going to claim railguns can't snipe infantry? wow, ok.


I feel this is a glitch that needs to be fixed. separate issue. Similar issues apply to snipers, forge guns, even Tanks.

I think I'm pretty good at what I do. Maybe not the best, but I hold my own. It's not as easy as tankers claim, unless you're sitting on the towers where nobody can reach you.

You shouldn't ask for an av nerf or a tank buff when you don't have proto tanks.

I support. I just want tanks to not get soloed by proto AVers anymore. With so much proto AV now, we are no longer a challenge but simply juicy WPs. Give us some love, especially shield tanks. We need a lot of love!

You know you still don't get the issue your adorable what 40k? 60k? even possibly 100k dropsuit with forge can get way up above me or even just at an awkward angle on pipes pop in and out or just sit at a range where it's virtually impossible to hit you, you have almost no range, and you can destroy me in 3-4 shots, and if i turn around (i dont lots of people do) to run away you hit my weak point and one shot me. Perfectly balanced :) ps btw my tank costs like 600-800k 1.7 mill for p/c

Dear CCP I am a hopeles waste of life and have managed to fail I everything I have ever attempted to achieve. So I am now going to come on here and vent my frustration on thus verry forum . I am going to lamely attempt to troll threads that reach beiond my intalectual prowess. Once I am done trolling I am going to shove my controll pad so far up my own arse ill be able to taste whats left of the ooz that I seep from every pore on my body. Then finally I am goi g to go roll up in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep

Wow dude you have some serious issues. I can recomend a food therapist if you like.

I didn't write that, but you've got tankers down to a tee.

Dear CCP and fellow tankers. After talking to a few tankers and after playing DUST514 over a year and many other fps shooters as tanks, we are creating a friendly petition for tanks. This is not a rage post and we don't want any crying or complaining or we won 't be taken seriously. Here's is a list of things we currently want, if you agree respond and your name will be put on the list if you want something on the list that you don't see please feel free to say so in a response and we might add it to the list.

First things on the list is- prototype tanks and pilot drop-suits.

The reason we want proto tanks back and pilot dropsuits back is so that in p/c we can actually be more effective instead of having to take a basic level one tank against proto anti-armor.

2nd thing on the list is to either reduce the effective range of forge guns and swarm launchers or at least increase the tanks blaster effective range. In so many matches especially in p/c due to the fact that dropships don't have a hight ceiling, anti-armor can destroy tanks in a matter of seconds. Sure on some maps theirs cover but on most maps theirs wide open fields and some buildings are high enough to see over cover. In some situations we can get some hits on anti-armor but smart forge guns simply pop in and out and sit at awkward angles where their simply is no cover.

3rd thing we want is to possibly add some better armor resistance. Me personally I am a shield tanker so it takes a little bit more avs to kill me but my friends the armor tankers just have people run up and throw 3 lai dai avs instantly killing them or they'll just throw down a nano hive and throw 6-10 in a matter of seconds.

4th thing Now me personally don't want tanks to be OP, but they should be able to decently handle themselves and anti-armor should have to put some effort. I personally have done it and i've had it happen to me but me single handedly can kill a madrugar with 3-4 swarm and a little bit more for gunnlogis with barely any effort. Tanks have a in-effective radar so i can either drive a logi lav and come up behind them and kill them before they know what hit them or do what my friend DOC DDD does and take a proto swarm on a caldari logi suit stack 5 complex damage mods and me personally have seen him drop 1.5 mill dollar tanks in 2 shots. It took 3-4 to drop my gunnlogi with resistance amps.


CCP, the biggest problem is, if you want tanks to be easily destroyed which many fps games do like bf3, at least make them cheap then. If the turret costs were produced and we could actually make profit off tanking, then their would be no problem. But if i have to spend 600-1.5 mill for one tank that can't even last through the match, we're just losing money, not gaining, and that shouldn't happen. In my AR suit that costs 12k or less, even if i die 20 times i still make a profit. This game is about making money not losing money but i know some people use 3-4 proto AR suits a match and lose money, you don't have to call that many you can switch to a less expensive suit. Tanks dont have that option, we lose one and we're done. Last build i used to be capable of running militia tanks that were 160k so if i died i would make profit. But now that's not possible because 1-2 swarms can destroy them and their more expensive now due to turret costs.

So that's the 5th thing, possibly reducing the price. When the drop ship pilots asked for a buff you instead decreased the price and it was alright. When can tanks get a decreased price?


Please respond to this petition and ask to have your name put on the list. Remember this is not a rage post if you have feedback or requests for this petition please feel free to comment. Thank you.


ATTENTION ANY ADDED INFORMATION WILL BE POSTED UNDER HERE FOLLOW BY THE LIST OF SUPPORTERS

How many times u been banned? I'm at 2 :)

With this petition for tanks, there also needs to be a like-minded consideration for dropships as well. While there haven't been petitions, it's obvious that the main conscientious is that there needs to be a nearly simultaneous improvement to not only tanks, but a buff to dropship HP as well, in the respective armor/shield classes. Because if there is only an improvement made to tanks, it will put dropships in the worst situation ever, and with more and more pilots starting to emerge (I'm seeing more and more users in the sky with me flying advanced dropships), it's imapritive we not leave these fragile, flying pieces of paper un-worked upon.

What is balance to a tanker? How many people should it take to counter one person driving a tank?

if you're going to require 3-4 people to take a tank down, it should require 3-4 people to operate it. That's the only balance that makes sense. I know you guys get hit by multiple people at once, but that's part of the game. As infantry you constantly get hit by 2+ people, and usually die in those situations. The only problem is your cost, and that needs better balance.

This guy knows nothing about tanking...

My alt's .02 ISK

You got ripped off. that post isn't worth 0.02 ISK.

So answer the question, for balance sake, how many people should it require to take down a solo tank?

it has to be balanced toward pub matches since that's what 99% of the matches are. Or just ban tanks from pub matches.

Absolutely not. If you have the ability to field your proto gear and stomp, then I want the ability to do the same with a vehicle.

Thank you. that's what I've been waiting to hear. Tankers want to stomp. You won't be happy until you top all the leaderboards. You already have the highest kills, the most war points, now you want 0 deaths too.

You cant compare to proto infantry - getting run over, gang raped by an entire squad, or blown up riding in someone else's vehicle. easy deaths no matter what your gear.

What you just pulled there is called a strawman arguement. We don't want to be pubstomping kings. We just want to be as effective at our job as everyone else is at theirs.

Why do infantrymen get to top all the leaderboards, but not vehicle users?

Last I checked a Cal Logi is at the top of the Leaderboards.

Don't get me wrong, it's fun. I remember riding around with Exmaple Core, laughing at people trying to beat his tank. Unstoppable, dominating the leaderboard. Good times. Throw a defend order on him, use a small turret with one hand while eating a burrito with the other - and rake in massive points. orbitals left and right.

I don't blame you for wanting that again. I guess it's human nature.

Good luck with your petition.

For the record - 3 vs 1 is not balance.

No because proto AV can easily solo them in 2-3 shots

How condescending of you. Maybe we should just turn all vehicles into dropsuits so we can have a sick 1v1 420 quickscope match! Why have teamwork right guys? We should water down gameplay so much that diversity is thrown out of the window!

Thinking like this is why this game is devolving more and more into just another infantry only arena shooter. Vehicles are seriously a joke at their current state in any serious competitive playing environment.

I'm sorry if I seem condescending. You know as well as I do that there is no teamwork in pub matches. Making a claim that "there's supposed to be," doesn't make it happen. You can't get people to squad up, let alone cooperate. Why should AVers have to use teamwork when tankers dont?

Take the top 10% of tankers, and average out how many tanks they lose a match. My guess is it's somewhere between 0 and 1, probably closer to 0. If CCP actually listens to you guys and buffs tanks while nerfing everything that can oppose them, the top tankers will be impossible to kill.

PS: I don't really know what the average tank loss is, I can only guess from the few great tankers that I know.

I'm sorry if I seem condescending. You know as well as I do that there is no teamwork in pub matches. Making a claim that "there's supposed to be," doesn't make it happen. You can't get people to squad up, let alone cooperate. Why should AVers have to use teamwork when tankers dont?

Take the top 10% of tankers, and average out how many tanks they lose a match. My guess is it's somewhere between 0 and 1, probably closer to 0. If CCP actually listens to you guys and buffs tanks while nerfing everything that can oppose them, the top tankers will be impossible to kill.

PS: I don't really know what the average tank loss is, I can only guess from the few great tankers that I know.