Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both?

If you don't have resists or reps then sure. But that's your fault for not using your modules.

Reducing the price is fine, but I don't agree with anything else. Tanks shouldn't be a one man army. they are meant to be destroyed like anything else in the game. I still see 2-3 tanks every public match, so that tells me they can't be that underpowered. Decent tanks are usually number one on the end of match leader board.

My suggestions:
lower price
limit range of rail tanks to stop sniping from across the map
stop the unlimited ammo and make them resupply at supply depots - then they'll stop destroying them constantly since they need them as much as anyone else

I gotta weight in on this. As someone who runs primarily AV, tanks HAVE TO BE VULNERABLE. Proto tanks were incredibly hard to kill,

Jesus you guys are petty. Substitute Marauder for proto

Never said it was. I said substitute the use of the word proto with Marauder.

Thanks for trying to troll, but you should get past basic english comprehension before attempting to play.

No wonder you guys can't get CCP to help buff your stuff, you can't even figure out how to deconstruct a sentence let alone concepts like game balance.

Fixed that for you.

Seriously, if any tank driver is going to let you hit them in the ass 4 times then they deserve to die.

Doubly so if they allow you to immobilize yourself for 4.5 seconds between each shot.

Bad tactics will erase any advantage a good vehicle gives you.

Thats BS. LAVs (except proto) are a joke. Drop ships are pathetic unless they go high. Tanks are the only challenge and good tanks kill me more than i kill them. Though I tend to stay on the ground and fight as its more entertaining.

Infantry skills do not have to be equal with vehicle skills.

Don't make yourself angry by looking at the skill tree for infantry and getting all misty eyed for what you could put together.

Flying a dropship to unreachable places and then shooting down with sniper rifles, forges, swarms, or tanks while youre pretty much unstoppable is not the way this game is meant to be played, imo. The solution isnt to buff the tanks. Im sure ccp can find better ways to fix the problem.

Vehicle skills and infantry skills do not have to confer the same bonuses.

This bias you speak of Is not actually a bias, just a byproduct of the infantry team being further along the dev cycle than vehicles currently.

Which, if i were in charge, would make sense, as there are a lot more infantry players than vehicle users, so getting certain aspects of the game right for them is important.

I am going to try and play nice on the forums today, so if you want to be productive, we can get some good discussion going on. If you want to cry I can go back to trolling.

Yes you lost your PG. If you want to make a thread about why that made everything wrong in the game, please do so.

You didn't lose the 5% shield and armor per level. Those percentages were added to the vehicle stats, and we all got an ADDITIONAL 10% resist to our shields and armor. That is called a buff, and if you are complaining about that you are drunk maybe?

Stop acting like you are being persecuted. It is not helpful, and kind of sad.

So you want 25% more PG plus the HP bump, plus 10% resists?

Yeah, that is asking for a lot. Too much IMO. But at least we have a clearer picture of where you stand.

You give me 25% more PG, and I will make a Madrugar that will take 2 or 3 Proto AV to tackle. I can already shrug off a single proto AV user.

What happens when we get proto vehicles?

Why is it that no one seems to think that maybe the STD tanks got stepped down to make room for proto tanks that won't be OP? Is that such a strange idea?

I do not like that they made a balancing pass before introducing new stuff, but I can at least see that being the case.

There seems to be a contingent here that wants to have big performance out of STD tanks and still want a big step up in performance to proto. That leads to OP tanks and complaining infantry.

As it is right now, I can face off with a proto AV without too much fear, but as soon as there is more than one of them I am in deep trouble. This to me is balanced. They are two people, I am one. How this balance will change with the introduction of future vehicles remains to be seen.

If you use a DCU you are doing it wrong. It completely nullifies your second carapace hardener. Waste of a slot that could be better filled with something else.

I want to explain a concept to you, and hopefully this will help you to see things from a different perspective. When you have skills that increase certain attributes you invariably create stronger vehicles based on SP levels. This results in people with more SP in a role having higher success rates versus those with lower SP. In the case of infantry, this can be worked around through skill, such that a MLT dropsuit always has some chance, however small of beating a proto.

In vehicles it is not the same. If I have 25% more PG than a 2 million SP tanker, there is almost nothing they can do to me to compensate for that other than run like hell and recall their tank to avoid losing it. Not very fun at all. Not easy to learn with, and forcing a tanker to go to infantry because someone with more SP showed up is not in any way balanced.

As it is right now, what divides the gear between tankers is how much you can fit into the hull based off of your SP. So even though SP plays a role, it is not as dramatic as if your tank can fit a whole different league of tank, gank or both.

Not all things are about the infantry vs vehicles argument, sometimes it is about new tankers versus long term guys.

The fact that I can handle one proto AV in my STD tank is balanced. Lets all wait patiently for our next tier of vehicles, while we also work on getting the enforcers turned into something useful.

I think we need to bring this back, tankers are giving really good ideas.


il get takecover to edit this post next time I see him online