Dear CCP and fellow tankers. After talking to a few tankers and after playing DUST514 over a year and many other fps shooters as tanks, we are creating a friendly petition for tanks. This is not a rage post and we don't want any crying or complaining or we won 't be taken seriously. Here's is a list of things we currently want, if you agree respond and your name will be put on the list if you want something on the list that you don't see please feel free to say so in a response and we might add it to the list.

First things on the list is- prototype tanks and pilot drop-suits.

The reason we want proto tanks back and pilot dropsuits back is so that in p/c we can actually be more effective instead of having to take a basic level one tank against proto anti-armor.

2nd thing on the list is to either reduce the effective range of forge guns and swarm launchers or at least increase the tanks blaster effective range. In so many matches especially in p/c due to the fact that dropships don't have a hight ceiling, anti-armor can destroy tanks in a matter of seconds. Sure on some maps theirs cover but on most maps theirs wide open fields and some buildings are high enough to see over cover. In some situations we can get some hits on anti-armor but smart forge guns simply pop in and out and sit at awkward angles where their simply is no cover.

3rd thing we want is to possibly add some better armor resistance. Me personally I am a shield tanker so it takes a little bit more avs to kill me but my friends the armor tankers just have people run up and throw 3 lai dai avs instantly killing them or they'll just throw down a nano hive and throw 6-10 in a matter of seconds.

4th thing Now me personally don't want tanks to be OP, but they should be able to decently handle themselves and anti-armor should have to put some effort. I personally have done it and i've had it happen to me but me single handedly can kill a madrugar with 3-4 swarm and a little bit more for gunnlogis with barely any effort. Tanks have a in-effective radar so i can either drive a logi lav and come up behind them and kill them before they know what hit them or do what my friend DOC DDD does and take a proto swarm on a caldari logi suit stack 5 complex damage mods and me personally have seen him drop 1.5 mill dollar tanks in 2 shots. It took 3-4 to drop my gunnlogi with resistance amps.


CCP, the biggest problem is, if you want tanks to be easily destroyed which many fps games do like bf3, at least make them cheap then. If the turret costs were produced and we could actually make profit off tanking, then their would be no problem. But if i have to spend 600-1.5 mill for one tank that can't even last through the match, we're just losing money, not gaining, and that shouldn't happen. In my AR suit that costs 12k or less, even if i die 20 times i still make a profit. This game is about making money not losing money but i know some people use 3-4 proto AR suits a match and lose money, you don't have to call that many you can switch to a less expensive suit. Tanks dont have that option, we lose one and we're done. Last build i used to be capable of running militia tanks that were 160k so if i died i would make profit. But now that's not possible because 1-2 swarms can destroy them and their more expensive now due to turret costs.

So that's the 5th thing, possibly reducing the price. When the drop ship pilots asked for a buff you instead decreased the price and it was alright. When can tanks get a decreased price?


Please respond to this petition and ask to have your name put on the list. Remember this is not a rage post if you have feedback or requests for this petition please feel free to comment. Thank you.


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Fixed that for you.

Seriously, if any tank driver is going to let you hit them in the ass 4 times then they deserve to die.

Doubly so if they allow you to immobilize yourself for 4.5 seconds between each shot.

Bad tactics will erase any advantage a good vehicle gives you.

I don't know about getting a all your swarms and Lai Dai grenades and not getting a kill. I would suspect at least one if not two of the grenades missed.

When facing armor tanks, proto swarms with 2 damage mods can absolutely devastate them. Depending on reps and hardeners you can take up to 6 hits MAYBE. And that assumes that nothing else hits you, which normally never happens.

Best case scenario for a swarmer as an armor tank is that you can get away in time without magically following swarms finding you in cover and popping your ass.

But make no mistake, an armor tank that doesn't start going for cover as soon as they see the first volley of six pop out will more than likely die. IF they see them. IF they are not coming from someone on top of the MCC, or up above where the angles and cover don't matter, etc.

Using proto AV any tank can be easily killed without much effort and its a fact

Alright let's play a game of logic shield missle v mad blaster outside city shield wins shield missle v mad blaster inside city mad wins now marry where do you see mads 95% of the time? besides im not trying to say it's not possible for gunns to kill mads ive killed many mads but based of stats and other info mads outgun gunns and thats perfectly fine im just saying shields need the speed like they used to too stand a chance or i'll just continue to rail mads like i do in p/c

When you get your skills up you can fit a Heavy Efficient repper, a 180 mm Nano plate, and a proto rail with only 1 PG extender.

Thats BS. LAVs (except proto) are a joke. Drop ships are pathetic unless they go high. Tanks are the only challenge and good tanks kill me more than i kill them. Though I tend to stay on the ground and fight as its more entertaining.

How is that fixed?

The tank driver has no option, he can get hit even if hes moving and trying to find cover

Use OP swarms and cover isnt enough because they follow you around it half the time while being invisible so you dont know where he is

FG can be the same, get hit from the side and infact the marker is wrong and hes behind you

Using proto AV any tank can be easily killed without much effort and its a fact

I have been in a pc fight with them, and a GOOD user of missiles can send a blaster madrugar running -IF- you engage him at range. You WILL die if you engage at his range or within easy sprint distance.

THINK, DAMNIT!

All of you pansies who want CCP to spoon feed ya!

You think armor has it EASY in PC either?
Hell no!
Almost the entire other side consists of some proto level explosive AV and the cleverness to use tactics to take you out.
Its no walk in the park for us either,

-BUT-

I don't cry for an "iWin" button when I lose.

No. Stop. Missiles are lulzy against Good Tankers

I thought I signed this but /signed just to make sure :D

Why does infantry get 5% per level then?

Infantry skills do not have to be equal with vehicle skills.

Don't make yourself angry by looking at the skill tree for infantry and getting all misty eyed for what you could put together.

Well get some height and its even easier

Flying a dropship to unreachable places and then shooting down with sniper rifles, forges, swarms, or tanks while youre pretty much unstoppable is not the way this game is meant to be played, imo. The solution isnt to buff the tanks. Im sure ccp can find better ways to fix the problem.

So you are happy with bias towards infantry?

Flying a dropship to unreachable places and then shooting down with sniper rifles, forges, swarms, or tanks while youre pretty much unstoppable is not the way this game is meant to be played, imo. The solution isnt to buff the tanks. Im sure ccp can find better ways to fix the problem.

Vehicle skills and infantry skills do not have to confer the same bonuses.

This bias you speak of Is not actually a bias, just a byproduct of the infantry team being further along the dev cycle than vehicles currently.

Which, if i were in charge, would make sense, as there are a lot more infantry players than vehicle users, so getting certain aspects of the game right for them is important.

I am going to try and play nice on the forums today, so if you want to be productive, we can get some good discussion going on. If you want to cry I can go back to trolling.

So taking 5% PG per level is fair?

So taking 5% shield per level is fair?

So taking 5% armor per level is fair?

These skills were in and working fine, no one complained and vehicle specailsts used them and maxed them out

Now they just added the missing HP from these skills to all vehicles so now infantry basically got a free buff to a free vehicle which means it lives longer and is harder to kill

These skills were in pretty much from the start, this has nothing to do with devs behind ahead of another dev team

So why is fair to do this to vehicle users?

Yes you lost your PG. If you want to make a thread about why that made everything wrong in the game, please do so.

You didn't lose the 5% shield and armor per level. Those percentages were added to the vehicle stats, and we all got an ADDITIONAL 10% resist to our shields and armor. That is called a buff, and if you are complaining about that you are drunk maybe?

Stop acting like you are being persecuted. It is not helpful, and kind of sad.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=925183#post925183 i already did

We as vehicle specalists lost skills which were for vehicles thus true vehicle specalists lost out, sure we got 10% resists which tbh should have been new skills to add to the vehicle tree, to expand the tree with new skills

So you want 25% more PG plus the HP bump, plus 10% resists?

Yeah, that is asking for a lot. Too much IMO. But at least we have a clearer picture of where you stand.

We had the 25% PG before - if we get it back nothing changes apart from fits and maybe better survival rates against advanced/proto AV which isnt a bad thing espc for PC matches since i dont have to run everytime it hits me

The 10% resists would be new skills so would require SP to hit lvl 5 - you wouldnt get them at lvl5 automatically

The old 5% shield and armor per level go back to where they used to be and if its already at lvl5 or whatever you get the new skills at that level without having to put SP to get it to the existing level

As a consequence the removal of the HP buff to all vehicles means that milita vehicles are weaker so murder taxis with free LAVs wont be as good and vehicle specalists generally use LLAVs anyways

The only difference between all the changes is that we get 2 new skills that can offer 10% resists for shield/armor and tbh its barely gamebreaking at all because the other skills are what we had before and no one complained about vehicles then