Yo.

Just want to tell you folks you're not being ignored.

I don't have any details I can share, but some stuff's in the works from what I'm hearing.

As a fellow vehicle bro, I'll do what I can to make sure whatever that stuff is makes things suck less :)


Keep the faith!

Confirmed for knowing nothing about AV.

After reading some comments this will also be added, the biggest thing that ruined things for tanks is the Logi Lav's. After everyone saw how affective they were everyone started specing into Av. All the time my buddy goes 20 & 0 in his logi lav and when me and him squad up together and im getting hammered i literally ask him to take the forge gun shots for me since he can survive them better than i can. LLAV > Tank should not happen i shouldn't feel safer in a llav than my tank i know the point of the llav is to sit in the middle of the battlefield and revive people but no one does that. They just murder taxi

Lai Dai nearly 1800 damage roughly

Add in 20% extra damage to armor

So in fact doing 120% damage to armor

So 120% of 1800 is 2160 for 1 nade

x3 = 6480 roughly


Confirmed for knowing more about AV than you

Your original post would imply you're talking about 1 nade. If you mean multiple, then I guess you can insert whatever number you want to try and prove your point. I doubt you know more than me, but go ahead and keep thinking that.

STD tanks are supposed to be torn apart by proto AV. Pretty soon every sad noob with no gun game is going to drive tanks for the easy win. It makes me sad to think CCP is going to support it. But whatever. AV will probably cry for a buff next.

Your original post would imply you're talking about 1 nade. If you mean multiple, then I guess you can insert whatever number you want to try and prove your point. I doubt you know more than me, but go ahead and keep thinking that.

STD tanks are supposed to be torn apart by proto AV. Pretty soon every sad noob with no gun game is going to drive tanks for the easy win. It makes me sad to think CCP is going to support it. But whatever. AV will probably cry for a buff next.

um i know im not some one of importance but can you guys put my name on the sig? i mean the more the better right?

Your original post would imply you're talking about 1 nade. If you mean multiple, then I guess you can insert whatever number you want to try and prove your point. I doubt you know more than me, but go ahead and keep thinking that.

STD tanks are supposed to be torn apart by proto AV. Pretty soon every sad noob with no gun game is going to drive tanks for the easy win. It makes me sad to think CCP is going to support it. But whatever. AV will probably cry for a buff next.

Only if they are truly OP. When ANY dumb noob can hop into a tank and get more than 3 kills, we have a problem. I want tanks to be something that gets killed in 2 minutes by a stupid driver, but that can easily go 40:0 in the hands of a skilled expert in most pub matches.

then why even have this game at all? its not meant to be solely infantry or gun grunts running around, that's what other games have like cod and bf, if you don't like vehicles get out of dust 514, we are a valid play style and deserve as much respect as you demand from us.

again if you don't like vehicles, then why the hell are you playing this game? its honestly sad to see that CCP only listens to whiners like you. and if you want facts for my statement, look throughout the history of dust 514 and the forums, youl see that CCP rarely ever listens to vehicle users.

Responses like these are neither helpful, productive, or good for eliciting sympathy. They make you seem very childish.

You consistently argue that if you don't get what you want, then the game is ruined for vehicle users. You consistently tell people who don't agree with you to go to CoD, or BF.

Whereas there are many people here, both tankers and AV users who are capable of having a real discussion, you seem dead set against any form of debate that doesn't end with people agreeing with you.

If CCP listens only to whiners, then why have you and Charlotte not been able to convince them to craft your rolling unkillable death machines for you? There is more than enough whining and crying in this thread to surely get the response you allege.

all u are saying in this thread is how good your tank is and how av barley hurts u.

For example u took 6 shots from a gastuns forge gun.
-u know the damage is lower than a normal forge for higher rate of fire. Better for handling infantry.

Taking 6 proto swarm hits.
-this could be the due fact he has a lack of skills in the av weapon no damage mods and only has the gun compared to ur fully speced out tank max resist.

Not everyone has 8-12 mil sp in vehicles and no new player will want this to have a "decent" tank.

Also saying u played in PCs vs other corps and saying u were the top scorer means nothing.

After playing plenty of PCs i can tell u 1 AV fully speced into his class can kill a maxed out tank. His suit can cost less than a 100k isk to blow up a tank tht cost 2-3 mil isk.

As i have proto forges and a gastuns forge i can tell u it has the ability to kill most tanks in a 1v1. and i don't even have prof 5 or complex damage mods. and i one shots milita tanks.

Balancing tanks over ur skills and not the avreage. ( assuming u are above avreage ) is not the way to balance AV v Tank.

Even noobs with no skill could kill u throwing av nades at u and locking on to u with proto swarms across the map and jumping around while u try hitting him. A forge has o aim at u but even then it's hard to find them assuming they hide.

Even then tanks die realitivly fast for their cost.

There r some points i don't agree with in the petiton but something has to be done and doing nothing but bragging about yourself does no good.

see u on the battlefield. o/

I don't know if anyone else has posted it.. but it looks like the devs are acknowledging this thread.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1074375#post1074375

So that's gotta mean something.

Here was a thought I had yesterday too. What if CCP introduced an "Assault LAV" variant which had a driver operated turret and two seats?

Could give vehicle drivers something to use in pubs other than 1.5 million isk HAVs. With high level vehicle skills im sure an assault LAV could be quite terrifying in the right hands, and only cost ~400k isk instead of ~1500k isk.

Sounds cool... hell i'd even spec into that.

1. Should a proto AV be able to take down a proto tank when we get them? Yes. This ignores tactics, or even the tanker trying to save himself. If, when we get proto tanks, one wants to just sit out in a field for a few minutes, then one guy should be able to destroy it.

2. I do not recall saying that I could take 6 proto swarms. I don't think any tank right now can. If I did say so, please point me to the post and I will change it. I recall saying that as soon as I see someone fire a six rocket swarm(proto) I immediately start retreating.

3. Yes, in a PC match tanks are expendable. Sometimes the FC needs you to drive right up on to an enemy position. This will normally cost you the tank. That is why corps should be keeping their tankers supplied. An organized group of 3 or 4 AV, or a team of one tank and an AV guy will destroy a tank very very fast.

4. I do not want anything balanced off of just my perspective. But having my perspective called pro-infantry, or to have it be derided as invalid due to my disagreement with the common themes is poor form. The larger balance discussion requires much more input than just mine or yours. I am not a low SP tanker, so trying to get an idea of what low SP tankers need is beyond me. However, what I think would go a long way is to promote the idea that proper matchmaking should hopefully be able to keep low SP tankers away from high SP AV.

5. I provided the link because we DO need to balance for skill. Tanks should not be balanced so that bad drivers can do well. They need to be balanced so that really good drivers like you have to play really smart to dominate. Bad drivers should ALWAYS get ripped apart. Just like stupid infantry gets killed right away. If someone runs at my tank with full health and tried to throw an AV nade at me, or hit me with a Mass Driver, they die because they were stupid, not because my tank is OP. Just as if someone drives their tank right into the middle of a group of infantry and gets AV naded, it is not AV nades that are OP, it is the driver who is stupid.

I look forward to keeping this discussion going, hopefully we can get some more information out there for the Devs to read.

Seriously they take this thread over this one

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=925183#post925183

Which pretty much contains all the problems with vehicles and goes into detail

I wasted my ******* time

I can handle 1 proto AV and win because ill shoot him. 2 and ill run. 3 and im dead. that is technically how it should be, which is why we need proto havs.