DUST Search - Tank Petition

Church The Sniper wrote:

Hi i'm a Gunnlogi pilot and i started tanking with uprising (not includig my experience pre-uprising since it involved a good amount of time running tough sicas.) Now this post really only has to do with shield tanking since i dont have any experience running armor tanks as far a im concerned they are the end all be all in regards to tank on tank combat seeing as the effectiveness of their rep and compatability with hybrid weaponry puts my gunnlogi in its grave in a 1v1 situation.

1. Putting your eggs in the wrong basket if you want to help out tanks in pubs, take is concerned with gunnlogi survivability in PCs also cant seem to understand that their doesn't mean what he thinks it does.
2.Shield tanks need the effectiveness of their repps buffed to give it a fighting chance in tank v tank
3. If possible decrease refresh rate of AV nades from hives
4. Lets find someone interested in balancing tanks as a whole rather than making them viable in PC only and get them in touch with ccp.
5.bind and gag echo & take and start listenting to Attorney & Meode..
6. For those up&comers like myself dont do what you see alot of idiots doing and idle at a sweetspot in order to rack up kills or do a circuit in order for your reps to recharge only to return and reinfoce that you are a problem and must be dealt with ,stay mobile & be aware of your surroundings and you wont have alot of the problems other tankers seem to have.

GL and happy hunting.

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Stinker Butt Not Guilty EoN. 143	Posted - 2013.07.15 23:05:00 - [301] - Quote Tank Gorillarape wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: Tank Gorillarape wrote: God all tankers are such complainers i hate tankers they are the biggest douchbags in the game Agreed, they are the biggest babies in all of DUST. Constantly crying and making petitions. They like it up the butt From a tanker, so must be true. :P
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 rise of legion 3	Posted - 2013.07.16 00:00:00 - [302] - Quote Harpyja wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: What the **? You comment is wrong on every level. Right now for me it is like this: One proto AV won't kill me, he dies instantly to my railgun. Two proto AV force me to retreat at least, if I up I die. Three proto AV: Okay, fk, fk, fk Four proto:gg Why isn't this fine? Perhaps you're lucky and the AV people you come across are not as skilled. Otherwise, Madrugars get destroyed by 3-4 proto SL volleys and Gunnlogis get destroyed by 4 proto assault FG shots. So, therefore, one single proto AV can solo our current tanks without needing to reload. Nanohive and AV grenade spam is just bull**. That's why you retreat...... being proto AV i do not expect to solo a tank just push them back. a majority of tanks that i have came across have retreated as soon as they are hit with the first volley of swarms, i do not use av nade simply because there a delay between firing.
Purpleness Gravity Prone EoN. 2	Posted - 2013.07.16 00:18:00 - [303] - Quote Man you people complain to much.
Alpha 443-6732 Not Guilty EoN. 28	Posted - 2013.07.16 02:39:00 - [304] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Big long post on the last page, no talk of nerfs. Clearly vpid you can't read or you can't formulate a reply. Well done buddy. Alpha, that's funny. You try and talk down to me but won't put your money where your mouth is. Are you yet another of Charlottes alt? If I was one of Charlottes alts, why would I be in a competitive PC corp? Obviously, if anyone has a different point of view than you, they must be lying, or faking, or an alt, since your "no true scotsman" arguements are absolutely flawless...
Church The Sniper Gravity Prone EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:38:00 - [305] - Quote Hi i'm a Gunnlogi pilot and i started tanking with uprising (not includig my experience pre-uprising since it involved a good amount of time running tough sicas.) Now this post really only has to do with shield tanking since i dont have any experience running armor tanks as far a im concerned they are the end all be all in regards to tank on tank combat seeing as the effectiveness of their rep and compatability with hybrid weaponry puts my gunnlogi in its grave in a 1v1 situation. 1. Putting your eggs in the wrong basket if you want to help out tanks in pubs, take is concerned with gunnlogi survivability in PCs also cant seem to understand that their doesn't mean what he thinks it does. 2.Shield tanks need the effectiveness of their repps buffed to give it a fighting chance in tank v tank 3. If possible decrease refresh rate of AV nades from hives 4. Lets find someone interested in balancing tanks as a whole rather than making them viable in PC only and get them in touch with ccp. 5.bind and gag echo & take and start listenting to Attorney & Meode.. 6. For those up&comers like myself dont do what you see alot of idiots doing and idle at a sweetspot in order to rack up kills or do a circuit in order for your reps to recharge only to return and reinfoce that you are a problem and must be dealt with ,stay mobile & be aware of your surroundings and you wont have alot of the problems other tankers seem to have. GL and happy hunting.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 112	Posted - 2013.07.16 03:53:00 - [306] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Void Echo wrote: if its a standard forge gun, no it should do that, advanced... maybe, proto definitely, but standard and militia, absolutely not Take the proto breach version with 2,7k damage, +15% skills + mods +10% armor damage make it 4k armor damage / shot with a rather long charge up time and immobilizing the heavy. Those are the moments hardener / reppers are for and one-shotting this guy is better than trying to survive, but yeah, I still cannot see a certainly dead tank. Reality is different, for sure, a third of the enemies having AV grenades, maybe a Commando with a SL from somewhere + this freaking heavy. But life isn't easy for anybody ... Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 424	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:16:00 - [307] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Void Echo wrote: if its a standard forge gun, no it should do that, advanced... maybe, proto definitely, but standard and militia, absolutely not Take the proto breach version with 2,7k damage, +15% skills + mods +10% armor damage make it 4k armor damage / shot with a rather long charge up time and immobilizing the heavy. Those are the moments hardener / reppers are for and one-shotting this guy is better than trying to survive, but yeah, I still cannot see a certainly dead tank. Reality is different, for sure, a third of the enemies having AV grenades, maybe a Commando with a SL from somewhere + this freaking heavy. But life isn't easy for anybody ... Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position. I took a full mag from a Gastuns Forge today. Didn't even move because I knew the FG user. Build your tank better.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 112	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:19:00 - [308] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Void Echo wrote: if its a standard forge gun, no it should do that, advanced... maybe, proto definitely, but standard and militia, absolutely not Take the proto breach version with 2,7k damage, +15% skills + mods +10% armor damage make it 4k armor damage / shot with a rather long charge up time and immobilizing the heavy. Those are the moments hardener / reppers are for and one-shotting this guy is better than trying to survive, but yeah, I still cannot see a certainly dead tank. Reality is different, for sure, a third of the enemies having AV grenades, maybe a Commando with a SL from somewhere + this freaking heavy. But life isn't easy for anybody ... Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position. I took a full mag from a Gastuns Forge today. Didn't even move because I knew the FG user. Build your tank better. Sure must be nice to have a gallente tank and all your cooldowns ready.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 424	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:25:00 - [309] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Sure must be nice to have a gallente tank and all your cooldowns ready. If a forge gunner catches you after or while you are engaged with someone else, their teamwork beats your solo tank. How can you complain about that?
Pikachu Power Planetary Response Organisation 1	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:28:00 - [310] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Void Echo wrote: if its a standard forge gun, no it should do that, advanced... maybe, proto definitely, but standard and militia, absolutely not Take the proto breach version with 2,7k damage, +15% skills + mods +10% armor damage make it 4k armor damage / shot with a rather long charge up time and immobilizing the heavy. Those are the moments hardener / reppers are for and one-shotting this guy is better than trying to survive, but yeah, I still cannot see a certainly dead tank. Reality is different, for sure, a third of the enemies having AV grenades, maybe a Commando with a SL from somewhere + this freaking heavy. But life isn't easy for anybody ... Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position. I took a full mag from a Gastuns Forge today. Didn't even move because I knew the FG user. Build your tank better. Wow...you must be kidding. I'd do the math, but we all know it is impossible. From what I recall, you just hide behind buildings when people shoot at you. I've seen you tank; you're not great. You're not even top 20. Not even top 30 if I had to make a list. Why? Because no real tanker relies on HP to succeed.

Pikachu Power Planetary Response Organisation 1	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:30:00 - [311] - Quote Church The Sniper wrote: Hi i'm a Gunnlogi pilot and i started tanking with uprising (not includig my experience pre-uprising since it involved a good amount of time running tough sicas.) Now this post really only has to do with shield tanking since i dont have any experience running armor tanks as far a im concerned they are the end all be all in regards to tank on tank combat seeing as the effectiveness of their rep and compatability with hybrid weaponry puts my gunnlogi in its grave in a 1v1 situation. 1. Putting your eggs in the wrong basket if you want to help out tanks in pubs, take is concerned with gunnlogi survivability in PCs also cant seem to understand that their doesn't mean what he thinks it does. 2.Shield tanks need the effectiveness of their repps buffed to give it a fighting chance in tank v tank 3. If possible decrease refresh rate of AV nades from hives 4. Lets find someone interested in balancing tanks as a whole rather than making them viable in PC only and get them in touch with ccp. 5.bind and gag echo & take and start listenting to Attorney & Meode.. 6. For those up&comers like myself dont do what you see alot of idiots doing and idle at a sweetspot in order to rack up kills or do a circuit in order for your reps to recharge only to return and reinfoce that you are a problem and must be dealt with ,stay mobile & be aware of your surroundings and you wont have alot of the problems other tankers seem to have. GL and happy hunting. Attorney is a bad tanker. All the good ones are duking it out in the Great War.
Pikachu Power Planetary Response Organisation 1	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:33:00 - [312] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Big long post on the last page, no talk of nerfs. Clearly vpid you can't read or you can't formulate a reply. Well done buddy. Alpha, that's funny. You try and talk down to me but won't put your money where your mouth is. Are you yet another of Charlottes alt? No, my alts are charchar, tango, gogo, and this one im posting with right now. I fought12 battles today and didn't see you in a single one. Probably because Eon already picked up all the good tankers left. I don't think there is one serious hardcore tanker who would say you are any good. Anyone with a good rep want to back Attorney up? I'll wait.
Pikachu Power Planetary Response Organisation 1	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:35:00 - [313] - Quote Where is a dev post? We have the second most replies to this of any other post except the respec.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 424	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:50:00 - [314] - Quote Pikachu Power wrote: Wow...you must be kidding. I'd do the math, but we all know it is impossible. From what I recall, you just hide behind buildings when people shoot at you. I've seen you tank; you're not great. You're not even top 20. Not even top 30 if I had to make a list. Why? Because no real tanker relies on HP to succeed. And all you do is get orbitaled for sitting on hills in the open right? You say I am bad, yet a couple of days ago you put me on your A list of tankers, with the loving quote that that you hate me but my tactics are not bad. But today, now that you got shown to be afraid of a 1 v 1, you are going to say I'm bad. Guess what I am awful. Horrible even. Still better than you though. As for the forge gun, it did happen, it can happen. You guys who complain about AV being so strong are just doing it wrong. You can take a whole magazine from a Gastuns forge. on a 180 nano plate with a heavy efficient rep and 2 x carapace. Learn to fit before you go around saying that AV is OP. The fact that you don't know the limits of the tanks in this game and claim to be anything is laughable.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 424	Posted - 2013.07.16 05:54:00 - [315] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: If I was one of Charlottes alts, why would I be in a competitive PC corp? Obviously, if anyone has a different point of view than you, they must be lying, or faking, or an alt, since your "no true scotsman" arguements are absolutely flawless... Wow, you have no sense of humour. Must have just got blown up by a militia swarm.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 72	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:24:00 - [316] - Quote Church The Sniper wrote: Hi i'm a Gunnlogi pilot Does Tex know your cheating on her with Caboose's tank?
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:27:00 - [317] - Quote Tanks are too OP. Nerf them please CCP.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 72	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:34:00 - [318] - Quote The Attorney General, please stop trying to help them by explaining how to properly fit and pilot a tank. And instead join us in collecting their sweet sweet tears.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:35:00 - [319] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position. The breach version has the highest damage / shot and it won't three shot a 'properly fitted' madrugar. How will the assault forge gun do it. Please, tell me.
Stinker Butt Not Guilty EoN. 143	Posted - 2013.07.16 13:40:00 - [320] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I took a full mag from a Gastuns Forge today. Didn't even move because I knew the FG user. Build your tank better. So far you're the only tanker I really believe when I read this thread. I don't know if I've ever faced you, but I've unloaded all of my proto AV swarms, and packed lai dai's into tanks that have withstood it only to mow me down. I hate to think of what it would be like if tanks were buffed to any significant amount. Luckily most tanks aren't fitted well or people just aren't good at tanking - So a well equipped AVer has a chance.

FRGTHEN4CR GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 7	Posted - 2013.07.16 14:39:00 - [321] - Quote JUst a quick suggestion for both tanks and dropships, this game is based in the future, right? So why not add flares to both to deflect some of the swarms making then less efective. Im sure the technology is advanced enough in the future to provide that type of protection since it exist in present time. The ship or tank will still receive damage but not as much giving then time to flee a situation and make the necessary repairs or if there just stupid drivers or pilots they will go down. As far as flux grenades, in theory what activates then to explode? If its metal shouldnt the shields prevent them from exploding and if electricity or whatever shields are made of shouldnt they not affect armor as much????? The fact that it effects both sounds kinda sketch!!!
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 112	Posted - 2013.07.16 15:11:00 - [322] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position. The breach version has the highest damage / shot and it won't three shot a 'properly fitted' madrugar. How will the assault forge gun do it. Please, tell me. Must be nice to be gallente. I don't know how this turned from "tanks can all survive proto av, np." To "one specialization of tanks can survive this particular av with all its cooldowns up so its Kk." Wyrkomi and packed Lai dai wreck armor.
Muud Kipz Elevated Technologies 21	Posted - 2013.07.16 15:32:00 - [323] - Quote +1, get signed.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 434	Posted - 2013.07.16 15:43:00 - [324] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Get out of that npc corp man. No one uses breach. It's all about assault and yes they will 3 or 4 shot me at proto level if they start in an advantageous position. The breach version has the highest damage / shot and it won't three shot a 'properly fitted' madrugar. How will the assault forge gun do it. Please, tell me. Actually, the breach for all of its hitting power is kind of garbage. The charge time makes it rather ineffective against tanks, but makes it perfect for dropships. The assault hits hard, but most importantly cycles fast enough to put out a fatal amount of damage if you can get the tanker off rep cycle. Ishukone Assault forge puts out close to 9k damage per mag with prof 5 and two damage mods, but it does it in about 8 seconds, versus around 18(?) seconds for the breach forge to dump its mag.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 434	Posted - 2013.07.16 15:49:00 - [325] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: So far you're the only tanker I really believe when I read this thread. I don't know if I've ever faced you, but I've unloaded all of my proto AV swarms, and packed lai dai's into tanks that have withstood it only to mow me down. I hate to think of what it would be like if tanks were buffed to any significant amount. Luckily most tanks aren't fitted well or people just aren't good at tanking - So a well equipped AVer has a chance. I don't know about getting a all your swarms and Lai Dai grenades and not getting a kill. I would suspect at least one if not two of the grenades missed. When facing armor tanks, proto swarms with 2 damage mods can absolutely devastate them. Depending on reps and hardeners you can take up to 6 hits MAYBE. And that assumes that nothing else hits you, which normally never happens. Best case scenario for a swarmer as an armor tank is that you can get away in time without magically following swarms finding you in cover and popping your ass. But make no mistake, an armor tank that doesn't start going for cover as soon as they see the first volley of six pop out will more than likely die. IF they see them. IF they are not coming from someone on top of the MCC, or up above where the angles and cover don't matter, etc.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 434	Posted - 2013.07.16 15:54:00 - [326] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Must be nice to be gallente. I don't know how this turned from "tanks can all survive proto av, np." To "one specialization of tanks can survive this particular av with all its cooldowns up so its Kk." Wyrkomi and packed Lai dai wreck armor. Must be nice to not have to go into full retreat every time someone pops off a swarm at you. Seriously, we could have a great discussion about how to make shield tanks more relevant, but any attempt to have a rational discussion in this thread is met with calls of me being pro-infantry, or crying to nerf tanks. There seems to be this fraternity of tankers that are colluding to try and manipulate CCP into buffing their stuff. The fact is that a well built Madrugar can withstand a whole magazine of Officer Forge. A shield tank probably can't. Lets do something about THAT, instead of pointing fingers. Lets work together to make shield tanks better. I don't drive them, but I don't want you guys to be irrelevant any more than you do.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 208	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:00:00 - [327] - Quote I am not a dedicated tanker but these requests are reasonable and im for anything that brings more balance to the game...../signed
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:21:00 - [328] - Quote I took the breach version to show, that not even this thing can three-hit you, of coz it is crap, immobilizing for 6 sec means death to railgun. Learn to retreat and trust your mates to handle av.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 579	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:25:00 - [329] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I took the breach version to show, that not even this thing can three-hit you, of coz it is crap, immobilizing for 6 sec means death to railgun. Learn to retreat and trust your mates to handle av. Dude I used to solo sagis and suyrias last build with the dcma breech . That was when tanks were allot harder to kill . If your using the breech the trick is to get behind the tank and hit the sweet spot. If a tank sees you when your using the breeh your doing it wrong.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 434	Posted - 2013.07.16 16:30:00 - [330] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Dude I used to solo horribly driven sagis and suyrias last build with the dcma breech . Fixed that for you. Seriously, if any tank driver is going to let you hit them in the ass 4 times then they deserve to die. Doubly so if they allow you to immobilize yourself for 4.5 seconds between each shot. Bad tactics will erase any advantage a good vehicle gives you.



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