omg finally someone that understands what im talking about

Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both?

I support. I just want tanks to not get soloed by proto AVers anymore. With so much proto AV now, we are no longer a challenge but simply juicy WPs. Give us some love, especially shield tanks. We need a lot of love!

Dear CCP I am a hopeles waste of life and have managed to fail I everything I have ever attempted to achieve. So I am now going to come on here and vent my frustration on thus verry forum . I am going to lamely attempt to troll threads that reach beiond my intalectual prowess. Once I am done trolling I am going to shove my controll pad so far up my own arse ill be able to taste whats left of the ooz that I seep from every pore on my body. Then finally I am goi g to go roll up in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep

How many times u been banned? I'm at 2 :)

I'm sorry if I seem condescending. You know as well as I do that there is no teamwork in pub matches. Making a claim that "there's supposed to be," doesn't make it happen. You can't get people to squad up, let alone cooperate. Why should AVers have to use teamwork when tankers dont?

Take the top 10% of tankers, and average out how many tanks they lose a match. My guess is it's somewhere between 0 and 1, probably closer to 0. If CCP actually listens to you guys and buffs tanks while nerfing everything that can oppose them, the top tankers will be impossible to kill.

PS: I don't really know what the average tank loss is, I can only guess from the few great tankers that I know.

Jesus you guys are petty. Substitute Marauder for proto in his statement if you need to feel better.

You refuse to debate someone without them using your terms, so that you can highlight what you consider to be your plight.

I am starting to understand why Blam committed seppuku, just to get away from you guys.

Criticising someone for looking at a topic from different point of views and being open minded. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Right now, one proto AV player doesn't pose a threat and can be killed alone, two AV guys force you to retreat and might kill you (depends on you), three have good chances to kill you and four AV player seal your fate.
-> Perfectly fine.

AV guys have to run around with sidearm vs your normal infantry (forget about Commando suits).

I took the breach version to show, that not even this thing can three-hit you, of coz it is crap, immobilizing for 6 sec means death to railgun.
Learn to retreat and trust your mates to handle av.

How is that fixed?

The tank driver has no option, he can get hit even if hes moving and trying to find cover

Use OP swarms and cover isnt enough because they follow you around it half the time while being invisible so you dont know where he is

FG can be the same, get hit from the side and infact the marker is wrong and hes behind you

Using proto AV any tank can be easily killed without much effort and its a fact

No. Stop. Missiles are lulzy against Good Tankers

I thought I signed this but /signed just to make sure :D

If you use a DCU you are doing it wrong. It completely nullifies your second carapace hardener. Waste of a slot that could be better filled with something else.

I want to explain a concept to you, and hopefully this will help you to see things from a different perspective. When you have skills that increase certain attributes you invariably create stronger vehicles based on SP levels. This results in people with more SP in a role having higher success rates versus those with lower SP. In the case of infantry, this can be worked around through skill, such that a MLT dropsuit always has some chance, however small of beating a proto.

In vehicles it is not the same. If I have 25% more PG than a 2 million SP tanker, there is almost nothing they can do to me to compensate for that other than run like hell and recall their tank to avoid losing it. Not very fun at all. Not easy to learn with, and forcing a tanker to go to infantry because someone with more SP showed up is not in any way balanced.

As it is right now, what divides the gear between tankers is how much you can fit into the hull based off of your SP. So even though SP plays a role, it is not as dramatic as if your tank can fit a whole different league of tank, gank or both.

Not all things are about the infantry vs vehicles argument, sometimes it is about new tankers versus long term guys.

The fact that I can handle one proto AV in my STD tank is balanced. Lets all wait patiently for our next tier of vehicles, while we also work on getting the enforcers turned into something useful.