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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
17
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:15:00 -
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TakeCover OrDie wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:TakeCover OrDie wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:No to your forge gun nerf. Keep your tank moving and you won't be blown up. Good tankers know what I'm talking about. i've gone 80-0 before with tanks, i've been tanking longer than you've had dust, im a damn good tanker, but i do undestand the inbalance of a forgegun up on a roof shooting down on a tank where theirs no cover or no way to hide. You want us to keep moving? Then sign the damn petition to either buff tanks or make them cheaper and faster. Fine lets make a compromise. Buff your tank all you want. In return make hitting the tanks weak spot do 8 times damage. That way you can't be blown up unless I get in back of you. Will that make you happy? You know you still don't get the issue your adorable what 40k? 60k? even possibly 100k dropsuit with forge can get way up above me or even just at an awkward angle on pipes pop in and out or just sit at a range where it's virtually impossible to hit you, you have almost no range, and you can destroy me in 3-4 shots, and if i turn around (i dont lots of people do) to run away you hit my weak point and one shot me. Perfectly balanced :) ps btw my tank costs like 600-800k 1.7 mill for p/c you switch from corp to corp really fast. just use that same strategy with your tank. switch from position to position really fast. we'll have a harder time killing you with our FGs. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
488
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:17:00 -
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Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:Dear CCP I am a hopeles waste of life and have managed to fail I everything I have ever attempted to achieve. So I am now going to come on here and vent my frustration on thus verry forum . I am going to lamely attempt to troll threads that reach beiond my intalectual prowess. Once I am done trolling I am going to shove my controll pad so far up my own arse ill be able to taste whats left of the ooz that I seep from every pore on my body. Then finally I am goi g to go roll up in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep
Wow dude you have some serious issues. I can recomend a food therapist if you like.
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
289
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:42:00 -
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/signed
I love my tankers. I have a drop ship with armor reps as well . But just to warn some of you, once you get your proto tanks we should have our proto drop ships and I will be hovering over your ass with my ADS, like I do most matches until I forge gunner ruins my fun :( |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.07.14 15:03:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:Dear CCP I am a hopeles waste of life and have managed to fail I everything I have ever attempted to achieve. So I am now going to come on here and vent my frustration on thus verry forum . I am going to lamely attempt to troll threads that reach beiond my intalectual prowess. Once I am done trolling I am going to shove my controll pad so far up my own arse ill be able to taste whats left of the ooz that I seep from every pore on my body. Then finally I am goi g to go roll up in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep Wow dude you have some serious issues. I can recomend a food therapist if you like.
I didn't write that, but you've got tankers down to a tee. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
495
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Posted - 2013.07.14 15:13:00 -
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Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:Dear CCP I am a hopeles waste of life and have managed to fail I everything I have ever attempted to achieve. So I am now going to come on here and vent my frustration on thus verry forum . I am going to lamely attempt to troll threads that reach beiond my intalectual prowess. Once I am done trolling I am going to shove my controll pad so far up my own arse ill be able to taste whats left of the ooz that I seep from every pore on my body. Then finally I am goi g to go roll up in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep Wow dude you have some serious issues. I can recomend a food therapist if you like. I didn't write that, but you've got tankers down to a tee.
How many times u been banned? I'm at 2 :) |
DEATH KLOK
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.07.14 15:15:00 -
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TakeCover OrDie wrote:Dear CCP and fellow tankers. After talking to a few tankers and after playing DUST514 over a year and many other fps shooters as tanks, we are creating a friendly petition for tanks. This is not a rage post and we don't want any crying or complaining or we won 't be taken seriously. Here's is a list of things we currently want, if you agree respond and your name will be put on the list if you want something on the list that you don't see please feel free to say so in a response and we might add it to the list.
First things on the list is- prototype tanks and pilot drop-suits.
The reason we want proto tanks back and pilot dropsuits back is so that in p/c we can actually be more effective instead of having to take a basic level one tank against proto anti-armor.
2nd thing on the list is to either reduce the effective range of forge guns and swarm launchers or at least increase the tanks blaster effective range. In so many matches especially in p/c due to the fact that dropships don't have a hight ceiling, anti-armor can destroy tanks in a matter of seconds. Sure on some maps theirs cover but on most maps theirs wide open fields and some buildings are high enough to see over cover. In some situations we can get some hits on anti-armor but smart forge guns simply pop in and out and sit at awkward angles where their simply is no cover.
3rd thing we want is to possibly add some better armor resistance. Me personally I am a shield tanker so it takes a little bit more avs to kill me but my friends the armor tankers just have people run up and throw 3 lai dai avs instantly killing them or they'll just throw down a nano hive and throw 6-10 in a matter of seconds.
4th thing Now me personally don't want tanks to be OP, but they should be able to decently handle themselves and anti-armor should have to put some effort. I personally have done it and i've had it happen to me but me single handedly can kill a madrugar with 3-4 swarm and a little bit more for gunnlogis with barely any effort. Tanks have a in-effective radar so i can either drive a logi lav and come up behind them and kill them before they know what hit them or do what my friend DOC DDD does and take a proto swarm on a caldari logi suit stack 5 complex damage mods and me personally have seen him drop 1.5 mill dollar tanks in 2 shots. It took 3-4 to drop my gunnlogi with resistance amps.
CCP, the biggest problem is, if you want tanks to be easily destroyed which many fps games do like bf3, at least make them cheap then. If the turret costs were produced and we could actually make profit off tanking, then their would be no problem. But if i have to spend 600-1.5 mill for one tank that can't even last through the match, we're just losing money, not gaining, and that shouldn't happen. In my AR suit that costs 12k or less, even if i die 20 times i still make a profit. This game is about making money not losing money but i know some people use 3-4 proto AR suits a match and lose money, you don't have to call that many you can switch to a less expensive suit. Tanks dont have that option, we lose one and we're done. Last build i used to be capable of running militia tanks that were 160k so if i died i would make profit. But now that's not possible because 1-2 swarms can destroy them and their more expensive now due to turret costs.
So that's the 5th thing, possibly reducing the price. When the drop ship pilots asked for a buff you instead decreased the price and it was alright. When can tanks get a decreased price?
Please respond to this petition and ask to have your name put on the list. Remember this is not a rage post if you have feedback or requests for this petition please feel free to comment. Thank you.
ATTENTION ANY ADDED INFORMATION WILL BE POSTED UNDER HERE FOLLOW BY THE LIST OF SUPPORTERS
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaa hey guess what? I STOLE YOUR TANK!!!!! OOOH YES I DID!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJjuqkd6Yg |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
248
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Posted - 2013.07.14 15:17:00 -
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With this petition for tanks, there also needs to be a like-minded consideration for dropships as well. While there haven't been petitions, it's obvious that the main conscientious is that there needs to be a nearly simultaneous improvement to not only tanks, but a buff to dropship HP as well, in the respective armor/shield classes. Because if there is only an improvement made to tanks, it will put dropships in the worst situation ever, and with more and more pilots starting to emerge (I'm seeing more and more users in the sky with me flying advanced dropships), it's imapritive we not leave these fragile, flying pieces of paper un-worked. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
489
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Posted - 2013.07.14 15:27:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:Dear CCP I am a hopeles waste of life and have managed to fail I everything I have ever attempted to achieve. So I am now going to come on here and vent my frustration on thus verry forum . I am going to lamely attempt to troll threads that reach beiond my intalectual prowess. Once I am done trolling I am going to shove my controll pad so far up my own arse ill be able to taste whats left of the ooz that I seep from every pore on my body. Then finally I am goi g to go roll up in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep Wow dude you have some serious issues. I can recomend a food therapist if you like. I didn't write that, but you've got tankers down to a tee. How many times u been banned? I'm at 2 :)
CCP loves my posts hence iv never been banned no matter how much I try |
Alpha 443-6732
Not Guilty EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:17:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:With this petition for tanks, there also needs to be a like-minded consideration for dropships as well. While there haven't been petitions, it's obvious that the main conscientious is that there needs to be a nearly simultaneous improvement to not only tanks, but a buff to dropship HP as well, in the respective armor/shield classes. Because if there is only an improvement made to tanks, it will put dropships in the worst situation ever, and with more and more pilots starting to emerge (I'm seeing more and more users in the sky with me flying advanced dropships), it's imapritive we not leave these fragile, flying pieces of paper un-worked upon.
Totally agree with that. More HP for dropships is a good idea, but I would have more acceleration and overall agility to all dropships before I would have more HP. Or, simply a defense value that reflects the clunky and slow feeling the dropships have right now (simple HP and resist buff).
All though most importantly, getting WP options should be the top priority for dropships. From there, everything else should fall into place, with a little tweaking. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:21:00 -
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Triple drop ship HP. Problem solved. |
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SUCIA-KEILY
Corporacion Lince
0
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:45:00 -
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Account with my vote fondamental questions support all requests it is time that we listen to CCP |
Stinker Butt
Not Guilty EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:50:00 -
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What is balance to a tanker? How many people should it take to counter one person driving a tank?
if you're going to require 3-4 people to take a tank down, it should require 3-4 people to operate it. That's the only balance that makes sense. I know you guys get hit by multiple people at once, but that's part of the game. As infantry you constantly get hit by 2+ people, and usually die in those situations. The only problem is your cost, and that needs better balance. |
Harpija
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:50:00 -
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Can my alt sign as well? |
Harpija
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:52:00 -
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Stinker Butt wrote:What is balance to a tanker? How many people should it take to counter one person driving a tank?
if you're going to require 3-4 people to take a tank down, it should require 3-4 people to operate it. That's the only balance that makes sense. I know you guys get hit by multiple people at once, but that's part of the game. As infantry you constantly get hit by 2+ people, and usually die in those situations. The only problem is your cost, and that needs better balance. This guy knows nothing about tanking...
My alt's .02 ISK |
KenKaniff69
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:56:00 -
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BLAM! WHERE ARE YOU? |
Stinker Butt
Not Guilty EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.14 18:13:00 -
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Harpija wrote:Stinker Butt wrote:What is balance to a tanker? How many people should it take to counter one person driving a tank?
if you're going to require 3-4 people to take a tank down, it should require 3-4 people to operate it. That's the only balance that makes sense. I know you guys get hit by multiple people at once, but that's part of the game. As infantry you constantly get hit by 2+ people, and usually die in those situations. The only problem is your cost, and that needs better balance. This guy knows nothing about tanking... My alt's .02 ISK
You got ripped off. that post isn't worth 0.02 ISK.
So answer the question, for balance sake, how many people should it require to take down a solo tank? |
Alpha 443-6732
Not Guilty EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.14 18:43:00 -
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Stinker Butt wrote:Harpija wrote:Stinker Butt wrote:What is balance to a tanker? How many people should it take to counter one person driving a tank?
if you're going to require 3-4 people to take a tank down, it should require 3-4 people to operate it. That's the only balance that makes sense. I know you guys get hit by multiple people at once, but that's part of the game. As infantry you constantly get hit by 2+ people, and usually die in those situations. The only problem is your cost, and that needs better balance. This guy knows nothing about tanking... My alt's .02 ISK You got ripped off. that post isn't worth 0.02 ISK. So answer the question, for balance sake, how many people should it require to take down a solo tank?
3 AVers of an even gear tier to take it down. The balancing factor of the tank is how big of a target it is and its lack of agility, making it easy to team up against as AV.
This, combined with the huge sp/isk sink.
If we balance tanks for pubs where no one wants to work together, the pubs will never adapt and begin working together. If we balance tanks for PC where we typically have a 3 man group on AV duty, then blueberries will adapt, teamwork will improve, etc.
BUT, I say for sure, AVers absolutely need to get points based on who did damage to the vehicle, so AVers can have fun fighting more powerful tanks AND get a decent paycheck to boot.
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Stinker Butt
Not Guilty EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:08:00 -
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it has to be balanced toward pub matches since that's what 99% of the matches are. Or just ban tanks from pub matches. |
Alpha 443-6732
Not Guilty EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:11:00 -
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Stinker Butt wrote:it has to be balanced toward pub matches since that's what 99% of the matches are. Or just ban tanks from pub matches.
Absolutely not. If you have the ability to field your proto gear and stomp, then I want the ability to do the same with a vehicle. |
Stinker Butt
Not Guilty EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:22:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Absolutely not. If you have the ability to field your proto gear and stomp, then I want the ability to do the same with a vehicle.
Thank you. that's what I've been waiting to hear. Tankers want to stomp. You won't be happy until you top all the leaderboards. You already have the highest kills, the most war points, now you want 0 deaths too.
You cant compare to proto infantry - getting run over, gang raped by an entire squad, or blown up riding in someone else's vehicle. easy deaths no matter what your gear. |
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Alpha 443-6732
Not Guilty EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:27:00 -
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Stinker Butt wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Absolutely not. If you have the ability to field your proto gear and stomp, then I want the ability to do the same with a vehicle.
Thank you. that's what I've been waiting to hear. Tankers want to stomp. You won't be happy until you top all the leaderboards. You already have the highest kills, the most war points, now you want 0 deaths too. You cant compare to proto infantry - getting run over, gang raped by an entire squad, or blown up riding in someone else's vehicle. easy deaths no matter what your gear.
What you just pulled there is called a strawman arguement. We don't want to be pubstomping kings. We just want to be as effective at our job as everyone else is at theirs.
Why do infantrymen get to top all the leaderboards, but not vehicle users? |
Stinker Butt
Not Guilty EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:50:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote: What you just pulled there is called a strawman arguement. We don't want to be pubstomping kings. We just want to be as effective at our job as everyone else is at theirs.
Why do infantrymen get to top all the leaderboards, but not vehicle users?
Don't get me wrong, it's fun. I remember riding around with Exmaple Core, laughing at people trying to beat his tank. Unstoppable, dominating the leaderboard. Good times. Throw a defend order on him, use a small turret with one hand while eating a burrito with the other - and rake in massive points. orbitals left and right.
I don't blame you for wanting that again. I guess it's human nature.
Good luck with your petition.
For the record - 3 vs 1 is not balance. |
Stinker Butt
Not Guilty EoN.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:15:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote: Last I checked a Cal Logi is at the top of the Leaderboards.
that's new since the lav buff. and probably short lived. |
Alpha 443-6732
Not Guilty EoN.
27
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:16:00 -
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Stinker Butt wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote: What you just pulled there is called a strawman arguement. We don't want to be pubstomping kings. We just want to be as effective at our job as everyone else is at theirs.
Why do infantrymen get to top all the leaderboards, but not vehicle users?
Don't get me wrong, it's fun. I remember riding around with Exmaple Core, laughing at people trying to beat his tank. Unstoppable, dominating the leaderboard. Good times. Throw a defend order on him, use a small turret with one hand while eating a burrito with the other - and rake in massive points. orbitals left and right. I don't blame you for wanting that again. I guess it's human nature. Good luck with your petition. For the record - 3 vs 1 is not balance.
How condescending of you. Maybe we should just turn all vehicles into dropsuits so we can have a sick 1v1 420 quickscope match! Why have teamwork right guys? We should water down gameplay so much that diversity is thrown out of the window!
Thinking like this is why this game is devolving more and more into just another infantry only arena shooter. Vehicles are seriously a joke at their current state in any serious competitive playing environment. |
DumpsterJuice
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:19:00 -
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Tanks rule CCP! Take one and stick to cover you say? Death by AV nade spam, F this, I'm heading away from these A-holes, ez mode swarmed to death. You troops deserve to be ran over by LAV spam. |
Purpleness
Gravity Prone EoN.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:33:00 -
[206] - Quote
I don't see a problem as 4 good tankers rips a team to shreds and takes an entire team to try and kill them. |
DRE PrEaCh
subsonic synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
20
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:37:00 -
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DEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
thank you for coming out |
Abby Invo
muse.and.fury
4
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:44:00 -
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+1
tanks need a major cost effectiveness boost |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:46:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Would it be okay if Mad&Gunn became the prototype tanks and we add two weaker / cheaper Std and Adv versions of both? No because proto AV can easily solo them in 2-3 shots
Only if they are improperly fitted. Being a AV Minny, I never expect to destroy a tank on my own just push them back (especially if they are in the red zone sitting on a hill). other than that it is a pleasant surprise to actually solo a tank. I also do not expect to take down a shield tank being a swarm user so i depend on my FG mate. With that said i do support some of what the op has to say about tanks but no all of it , I do believe that the range on the FG and swarms as well as the blasters and the other turrets are fine (i have ridden in tanks and yes there are some odd angles that the turrets cant reach). i don't know much about the resistance mods and i don't use av nades so i don't know how well they work so i can not comment on that. When i engage a tank most of the drivers tend to bug out as soon as they are hit and I also do the same as soon as i see the turret turn to my direction( I rather run and live than be a idiot and die). Other than that the biggest problem i have is with the all the LAV's that have shields over 3k, in my opinion that should not be especially if my memory serves me correctly there is a LAV with a natural 35% armor resistance (i cold be completely wrong but I'm not sure) i also never expect to one shot a LAV but to deter them from approaching. As far as I consider the swarm launcher is used to push back tanks and LAV's. |
The WindowLicker
Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
9
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:55:00 -
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Add my name, AV is ridiculous now |
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