True but you can have a scanner I remeber that you run Gallente Tanks, Correct?

Proto tanks aren't in the game, so how do you know that it won't require 3 proto to take it down?

Currently, solo STD AV is not taking any decent STD tank down. If it is, then your tank is really bad.

Your points are not valid. You made up an imaginary issue of people stacking damage mods. People cant fit one let alone stack them. Your madrugar is no doubt forced to use a pg extended in your main HP slot. On what world is that cool? Caldari must use both lows for them. Giving us 0 freedom on fits.

There is a best fit for caldari and something very close to it for gallente. This should not be.

yeah I do, but scanners are useless imo. they don't add to my damage output nor do they increase my hp

Just there are plenty of idiots who know nothing of how to fight AV and cry when their overpriced vehicle blows up due to a lack of intelligence.

You don't know what you're talking about. I drive vehicles. I get hit by AV every match. I have multiple skills, and my favorites are AV and Vehicles.

I've got as many skill points as you and as much time invested. you have no more right to live than I do. How many AVers do you kill before one is finally good enough to kill you? 20? 30? You don't want balance, you do want god mode.

Have you ever heard of the term "pubstomping machine?," because that is what standard tanks are right now. We only dominate because the enemy team is too lazy to field AV. I've just played my 5th or so PC match today, where I am forced to fight smart AVers. I adapt, but the pain and frustration remains.

Also, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in all of PC who uses a Vayu effectively (I have to make use of the 4mil sp sink somehow).

The day I see a Vayu win a tank battle against a competant tanker is the day I eat my locus grenade.

I've been running my Vayu all day, I have a secret build that no one knows about. Even in instant battles I use it more than my Madrugar and most of the time my Vayu out performs my madrugar.

For example, just today I had killed Tank Gorillarape in his fully fit Madrugar, with my Vayu. He was not the only one, but he was one of the more noticeable ones.

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I've been running my Vayu all day, I have a secret build that no one knows about. Even in instant battles I use it more than my Madrugar and most of the time my Vayu out performs my madrugar.

For example, just today I had killed Tank Gorillarape in his fully fit Madrugar, with my Vayu. He was not the only one, but he was one of the more noticeable ones.

I'll admit, I've only been AV for a month. My K/D was 6.2 with an HMG, and since switching to AV, it's slowly creeping up.

The majority of my kills are not from tanks as they are one of the few challenges in the game. Most come from keeping the lavs at bay or mowing over mercs playing in the street.

I use cover. Sometimes just a hill will do, especially if the tank is out in the open. Stay hidden if I can. Sneaking up behind a tank is ideal, but depending on their position, that's sometimes easier said than done. I like to use my logi lav as bait. By the time they finish that off, I've usually got 3 packed lai dai's burried into them and just need launch a couple more swarms. I don't mind losing the lav because I've literally got enough isk for 1,800 more.

If the tank has good ground support, it's not safe to engage alone on the ground. If multiple people are attacking it, I can help from a distance. Sometimes the tank wins, but I usually feel like I've at least put up a good fight. I find my play style more fun than sitting on a tower with a couple of nanohives. It has more risk, but keeps the adrenaline pumping and keeps me interested in this game.

Well that's just the thing- did you take him head on or did you play sneaky? I defeat tankers with 10+ mil sp in tanks when i only have like 3.5 in armor havs because i never attack head-on.

by your definition of balance here, there should be no balance and av should always have the advantage over vehicles like it has now.... I see, your an idiot.

we haven't had advantage over av since before chromosome, why do you think that nobody wants to skill into tanks? its not worth it, the balance is broken and always will be if a standard av payer can solo a standard tank. because right now that's the way it is and its making this into another COD

Dear "A-list tanker",

Tanks got the advantage over assault infantry, snipers, LAV, DS and installations.

Of course, people calling themselves ANTI-vehicles should always have the advantage over tanks BY DEFINITION. FFS.
BY F**** DEFINITION. You want an advantage over AV ... what the f***? Why are they called AV if they are in disadvantage vs. vehicles?

the balance is broken and always will be if a standard av payer can solo a standard tank. because right now that's the way it is and its making this into another COD

I can't support a thread that only asks for tank buffs and AV nerfs. Tanks are fine right now.

If anything, they can reduce the cost of tanks..but don't buff anything. Armor tanks have two types of resistances. Not to mention, the active resistance lasts a minute with a 15 sec cooldown. We cant make a game where tanks are unbearable. If anything reduce the cost..

I can't support a thread that only asks for tank buffs and AV nerfs. Tanks are fine right now.

If anything, they can reduce the cost of tanks..but don't buff anything. Armor tanks have two types of resistances. Not to mention, the active resistance lasts a minute with a 15 sec cooldown. We cant make a game where tanks are unbearable. If anything reduce the cost..

Dear "A-list tanker",

Tanks got the advantage over assault infantry, snipers, LAV, DS and installations.

Of course, people calling themselves ANTI-vehicles should always have the advantage over tanks BY DEFINITION. FFS.
BY F**** DEFINITION. You want an advantage over AV ... what the f***? Why are they called AV if they are in disadvantage vs. vehicles?

Literally the only thing that should change between variants is base health, CPU/PG, and price.

Don't forget slots...

it seems everyone carrys lai dai which are thrown 100m it seems and home in while causing 5400 damage at least to an armor tank

I seriously can't believe that people are arguing that pro AV vs std tanks is balanced. And this comes from someone who is NOT a tanker. I don't even have to bother speccing into AV at all... I just run with hacked ex-0s and my buddy has lai dais.... There is no tank that can take 4 of each of those.

Seriously, its like what if there was onl std gallente suits available but proto caldari suits... how long do you think that would fly for?

I had some matches yesterday morning, really early so no one special on and it was my MLT tank vs MLT and std AV. Now with the right tactics and squad support i could manage to keep it alive the whole match. It felt really fun, engaging, and balanced.

Then i go to work and try again in the evening... My tank had a lifespan of less than 1 minute against proto AV. Okay that's fine, I can't understand its just a 200k ISK throw away tank against proto AV, probably balanced and fine, even if it was a little sad. But knowing that all tankers have is the std level... It's completely not balanced.

Now I'm almost always playing infantry, logi generally. When I'm squared up with 4-6 TPs... Then tanks are not, In the least fearsome, they are generally just free wps and occasionally rail snipers are an annoyance. Back in chrome if you saw a surya or a sagaris, they were a mighty force to be reckoned with. It was fun and engaging trying to take them down.

Fast forward to today, and generally its like oh crap hurry we better run over and take out that tank quick before some one else gets the WPs.

Or... If i have one our heavies running forge on my team, it literally goes like this:

"Tank coming down"
"Okay np, just give me a few seconds... Okay it's gone"


All of our AVers have about 10x more trouble with LLAVs than with tanks of any sort.

Yeah... Tanks right now are a joke. Even in PC, 1-2 AVers on a rooftop will lock down any vehicles for the entire match. They don't need support, if they get sniped they can just spawn back in on their uplink.

So yeah, as someone who isn't a tanker. We need adv and pro of all vehicles or the removal of adv and pro AV until there is.

The real question is... should tank chassis and av weaponry have the same tiers available for all?

Wut?

Confirmed for knowing nothing about tanks

Take a std basic tank into a PC match, proto AV tears it a new one not too mention it seems everyone carrys lai dai which are thrown 100m it seems and home in while causing 5400 damage at least to an armor tank