You give me 25% more PG, and I will make a Madrugar that will take 2 or 3 Proto AV to tackle. I can already shrug off a single proto AV user.

What happens when we get proto vehicles?

Why is it that no one seems to think that maybe the STD tanks got stepped down to make room for proto tanks that won't be OP? Is that such a strange idea?

I do not like that they made a balancing pass before introducing new stuff, but I can at least see that being the case.

There seems to be a contingent here that wants to have big performance out of STD tanks and still want a big step up in performance to proto. That leads to OP tanks and complaining infantry.

As it is right now, I can face off with a proto AV without too much fear, but as soon as there is more than one of them I am in deep trouble. This to me is balanced. They are two people, I am one. How this balance will change with the introduction of future vehicles remains to be seen.

2 or 3 lol worthy, i take it fit would be heavy rep, 180 best plate and 3 resists and highs maybe DC2, remember tho with 10% armor resist the mods start with a stacking penalty so the DCU add overall maybe 2/3% and the 3rd active resist mod is about 8% roughly - it maybe able to handle one but 2 would push it and 3 overkill most likely espc with swarms with the usual 2 damage mods maybe more

If they wanted to nerf the standard tanks for proto tanks then you reduce the PG off of the tank instead of nerfing the skill, thats easier instead of taking off the skill completely and replacing it with a useless bonus

If you use a DCU you are doing it wrong. It completely nullifies your second carapace hardener. Waste of a slot that could be better filled with something else.

I want to explain a concept to you, and hopefully this will help you to see things from a different perspective. When you have skills that increase certain attributes you invariably create stronger vehicles based on SP levels. This results in people with more SP in a role having higher success rates versus those with lower SP. In the case of infantry, this can be worked around through skill, such that a MLT dropsuit always has some chance, however small of beating a proto.

In vehicles it is not the same. If I have 25% more PG than a 2 million SP tanker, there is almost nothing they can do to me to compensate for that other than run like hell and recall their tank to avoid losing it. Not very fun at all. Not easy to learn with, and forcing a tanker to go to infantry because someone with more SP showed up is not in any way balanced.

As it is right now, what divides the gear between tankers is how much you can fit into the hull based off of your SP. So even though SP plays a role, it is not as dramatic as if your tank can fit a whole different league of tank, gank or both.

Not all things are about the infantry vs vehicles argument, sometimes it is about new tankers versus long term guys.

The fact that I can handle one proto AV in my STD tank is balanced. Lets all wait patiently for our next tier of vehicles, while we also work on getting the enforcers turned into something useful.

If you use a DCU you are doing it wrong. It completely nullifies your second carapace hardener. Waste of a slot that could be better filled with something else.

I want to explain a concept to you, and hopefully this will help you to see things from a different perspective. When you have skills that increase certain attributes you invariably create stronger vehicles based on SP levels. This results in people with more SP in a role having higher success rates versus those with lower SP. In the case of infantry, this can be worked around through skill, such that a MLT dropsuit always has some chance, however small of beating a proto.

In vehicles it is not the same. If I have 25% more PG than a 2 million SP tanker, there is almost nothing they can do to me to compensate for that other than run like hell and recall their tank to avoid losing it. Not very fun at all. Not easy to learn with, and forcing a tanker to go to infantry because someone with more SP showed up is not in any way balanced.

As it is right now, what divides the gear between tankers is how much you can fit into the hull based off of your SP. So even though SP plays a role, it is not as dramatic as if your tank can fit a whole different league of tank, gank or both.

Not all things are about the infantry vs vehicles argument, sometimes it is about new tankers versus long term guys.

The fact that I can handle one proto AV in my STD tank is balanced. Lets all wait patiently for our next tier of vehicles, while we also work on getting the enforcers turned into something useful.

You give me 25% more PG, and I will make a Madrugar that will take 2 or 3 Proto AV to tackle. I can already shrug off a single proto AV user.

What happens when we get proto vehicles?

Why is it that no one seems to think that maybe the STD tanks got stepped down to make room for proto tanks that won't be OP? Is that such a strange idea?

I do not like that they made a balancing pass before introducing new stuff, but I can at least see that being the case.

There seems to be a contingent here that wants to have big performance out of STD tanks and still want a big step up in performance to proto. That leads to OP tanks and complaining infantry.

As it is right now, I can face off with a proto AV without too much fear, but as soon as there is more than one of them I am in deep trouble. This to me is balanced. They are two people, I am one. How this balance will change with the introduction of future vehicles remains to be seen.

Flying a dropship to unreachable places and then shooting down with sniper rifles, forges, swarms, or tanks while youre pretty much unstoppable is not the way this game is meant to be played, imo. The solution isnt to buff the tanks. Im sure ccp can find better ways to fix the problem.

Couple of points here:

1) Getting AV up high is a tactical imperative. Should be done by any team in pretty much any match. Being able to respond to this is another tactical consideration that any good team will be ready for.

2) unreachable is subjective, because as I have made clear, there are very few places I have seen that cannot be hit back at with a rail gun. It may be difficult, but it isn't that you can't shoot back. More like they have a massive advantage especially using swarms because of how the tracking works and inhibits a tank from finding decent cover.

3) Advanced and proto tanks are coming, and that is a good thing, the question is how strong will they be, how strong SHOULD they be, and what steps need to be taken to establish a healthy balance between AV and Vehicle users.

4) Shield tanks need some love, Armor tanks are not as bad as some people make them out to be. Would I like an extra 60 PG and 15 CPU on my Madrugar? Of course, but it doesn't break my builds if I don't have it.

5) We all know that pilot suits are coming, lets all put our heads together and really try to make sure they don't come out broken, or they don't come out OP and get the nerf hammer into being useless.

You give me 25% more PG, and I will make a Madrugar that will take 2 or 3 Proto AV to tackle. I can already shrug off a single proto AV user.

What happens when we get proto vehicles?

Why is it that no one seems to think that maybe the STD tanks got stepped down to make room for proto tanks that won't be OP? Is that such a strange idea?

I do not like that they made a balancing pass before introducing new stuff, but I can at least see that being the case.

There seems to be a contingent here that wants to have big performance out of STD tanks and still want a big step up in performance to proto. That leads to OP tanks and complaining infantry.

As it is right now, I can face off with a proto AV without too much fear, but as soon as there is more than one of them I am in deep trouble. This to me is balanced. They are two people, I am one. How this balance will change with the introduction of future vehicles remains to be seen.

@ The Attorney General

after further reading your posts and all, I have the question of asking....

are you an alt of Iron Wolf Saber, or are you an alt of CCP Minchip?

because all you want to do is ethnically make tanks worthless. I understand your stance on the matter because I skilled into infantry one time and I have to say, its still way to easy to kill tanks, and many many of the AV players will agree with me. its people like you that we are trying to fight so that we can achieve the balance that was meant to be for this game

Go get some lessons from sota, your trolling is just as shabby as the way you demand buffs.

Between you and charlotte there are more tears in here than there were at your place when the cancelled the L word.

no ccp response? i wonder if the devs died and everything is being ran by a hamster running on a wheel :(

As I said, it was my opinion. I see the advantage of being high in places like those towers, but not sure that it's imperative. I guess it depends on your play style.

PROTO TANKS

No it doesn't depend on your playstyle. If you aren't using high ground to your advantage, then how are you engaging the tank? Running right in its face or within blaster range?

You just invalidated all of your posts, with these statements above. If you don't want to use AV properly, then suffer the consequences and get out of the way.

ATTENTION STARTING TONIGHT AND CONTINUING EVERY NIGHT FROM 9-10 PM EST WE WILL ALL BE SPAMMING "PROTO TANKS" "WHERE IS BLAM" AND "SUPPORT THE PETTITION" WE ARE TIRED OF BEING BENT OVER, TANKERS AND NON-TANKERS UNITE!!!

ATTENTION STARTING TONIGHT AND CONTINUING EVERY NIGHT FROM 9-10 PM EST WE WILL ALL BE SPAMMING "PROTO TANKS" "WHERE IS BLAM" AND "SUPPORT THE PETTITION" WE ARE TIRED OF BEING BENT OVER, TANKERS AND NON-TANKERS UNITE!!!

It's not my job to teach you how to play. I have a K/D ratio of 7, so I guess I'm suffering lots of consequences. You don't need to be up there to engage a tank. There is cover on the ground as well.

Blood for the blood god, milk for the khorne flakes, bump

hey guys im not a tank driver..but i support this!