Fine lets make a compromise. Buff your tank all you want. In return make hitting the tanks weak spot do 8 times damage. That way you can't be blown up unless I get in back of you. Will that make you happy?

keeping a tank moving wont save it from a forgegun. if I can be flying as fast as possible in a asd and still get hit tanks are fair game. You know how often logi lavs pull up with a proto assault forgegun and gun tanks down?

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

I'm not a tanker, I never will be, but I want all of these things. Fantastic post and GL.

supported, lengthy, but has all the points.

That is an interesting list of complaints.

Even more interesting is the list of signees.

Some of you are better than this, and should shake the pessimism from your heads.

The rest of you don't surprise me.

To the points:

1) Content will get here when it does. You know CCP sucks at getting stuff released, don't cry about it.

2) Forge gun range is fine, swarms could maybe come down 20 or 30 m.

3) Armor resists are fine.

4) You forgot 4.

5) How often do you guys lose tanks? I make a healthy profit taking and I don't redline tank. Anybody who pops my tank has to work for it. As long as I don't make a mistake I live. Welcome to new Eden.

6) The shield v armor balance needs to be worked on with Blam, not handled in a shameful petition.

hey i thought of some skill ideas of what the amarr and caldari pilot suit bonus's could be
and i would like to hear other vehicle/av players to tell me what you think.

amarr pilot suit +2% to module active time per level.

caldari pilot suit +15% to vehicle shield recharge rate per level.

please let me know what you all (excluding trolls) think of this.

by the way i completely support this thread gunns need a bit of love and turret costs are insane
and almost completely nullify the price cut to dropships great thread tanks overall need to be a bit more like tanks.

I want to make a good game. Dust 514 needs intense vehicle on vehicle combat, as well as neck and neck fights between powerful machines and dedicated av players. Whether or not we agree on suggested changes we have to respect each others roles. I don't want to ruin a av players experience like they shouldn't want to ruin mine. Im usually pretty good at keeping tanks alive, I don't redline snipe, but because of the over whelming amount of strong av ive honestly thought about it. You may not like it but you cant deny that tanks are becoming obsolete in New Eden and they need help.

honestly I think this is more of an awareness petition over a meet our demands or else kinda thing. I don't agree with all the points, but Id rather have some points seen imstead of trying to convince everyone and eventually come to a consensus then have it posted.

Thank you for acknowledging AV players. I don't want to ruin your experience. If it were up to me I would make your tank cost as much as my FG. Another solution would be to put barriers on the top of buildings to prevent tower forge gunning. I see alot of people complaining about that.

I've read only ~half oft the posts (old and new thread) but I fully support gbh08 here.
Fyi, I currently sit in a 600k railgun madrugar.

We can one-shot 90% of every infantary, kill enemy installations with ease, kill lav, air and other hav and take a ton of damage.
What do you guys want more? Of course 3-4 proto AV guys can kill you in a coordinated attack, but they are food for your mates and paying also thousands of ISK.

It is good how it is at the moment.

[quote=Void Echo]1st petition that tank drivers have made[/qu



So.....i've created the first unification of tanks on DUST514?

I've read only ~half oft the posts (old and new thread) but I fully support gbh08 here.
Fyi, I currently sit in a 600k railgun madrugar.

We can one-shot 90% of every infantary, kill enemy installations with ease, kill lav, air and other hav and take a ton of damage.
What do you guys want more? Of course 3-4 proto AV guys can kill you in a coordinated attack, but they are food for your mates and paying also thousands of ISK.

It is good how it is at the moment.

My Addition-

Give us the advanced and Prototype HAVs already, we are tired of waiting, and make them actually worth the SP and ISK required to use them. The PG/CPU output of the Advanced and Prototype should be increased form the standard stats, and the base shield and armor should be increased by around 10% for both tiers.


im not saying to make a god mode tank, im saying make them worth the cost that they are and are going to be.

Also, remove the Enforcers, they are a complete joke of HAVs, they are utterly useless and die faster than militia HAVs do. the SP people put into the Enforcers should be redirected into the advanced HAV category so they don't get cheated by this.

no, just the 1st tank petition

@Void Echo
No, I only sympathize with him.
Who cares about the label? Standard, Adv, Proto ... we could label the mad/gunn as prototype if you want. Also, one tank cost as much as the gear it takes to kill it easily. So I see no problem here, despite the naming, no.

@TakeCover OrDie
I don't stay on mountains right now (mainly because of the missing drawing above 300 m). Usually I stay behind the infantry line right now, somewhere near cover. High armor, 2x hardeners and heavy repair offer a big enough time window to take cover, if they try to focus me.
Forges have 300 m range and swarms aren't that intelligent, but yeah, those people kill you and this is fine. Four AVs in Protogear pay as much as my tank for their equip and they are just food for my infantry.

I won many games just because the enemy had to switch to AV and got steamrolled by our assaults. From public skirmish to PC a high amount of coordination appears and things get harder, but this is the case for every role, not just tanks.