[..]Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.[..]

Reducing the price is fine, but I don't agree with anything else. Tanks shouldn't be a one man army. they are meant to be destroyed like anything else in the game. I still see 2-3 tanks every public match, so that tells me they can't be that underpowered. Decent tanks are usually number one on the end of match leader board.

My suggestions:
lower price
limit range of rail tanks to stop sniping from across the map
stop the unlimited ammo and make them resupply at supply depots - then they'll stop destroying them constantly since they need them as much as anyone else

you see 2-3 militia tanks in every match they are worthless and get destroyed easy I can fight a militia tanks in my madrugar with only a minor hit to my armor

A tank is not a one man army, trust me. It can't maneuver for **** and is a huge target. It doesn't even have the defense to back up its slow acceleration. Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.

The leaderboard is BS tbh, at the end of the game the tanker is top due to WP, half the time my tank is fragoed by the SL so when i take out installations and vehicles i get points for it while normal infantry have to do alot more to get 100WP where as i can 3 shot something, half the time i can get 1k of WP by hitting the installtions before the game has truly started

Limit rails - Then you have to limit the FG then aswell, also the range of SL if the rail cannot shoot as far as the SL

We cannot lock the vehicle or kick ppl out of the turrets who would waste our ammo spamming it as the mcc, how many to a clip? how long to reload? where do we resupply? is it at depots? if so then some depots need to be brought down to ground lvl, is it by special nanohive? if so we need it in the game

you see 2-3 militia tanks in every match they are worthless and get destroyed easy I can fight a militia tanks in my madrugar with only a minor hit to my armor

so 3-4 tanks that are considerably more "durable" is better? I disagree. So another suggestion. Limit tanks to 1 tank per side.

A tank is not a one man army, trust me. It can't maneuver for **** and is a huge target. It doesn't even have the defense to back up its slow acceleration. Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.

They aren't a one man army now, but they were before. And most tankers want that again.

I'm AV. Prototype swarms, level 5 proficiency, 2 complex damage modifiers. I even have a prototype logi suit that can equip 5 complex damage modifiers, but despite the claims in this thread, I've tested extensively and it's barely any stronger than 2, so it's not worth it.

So yes, with several million sp invested, I can 3 hit some madrugers. Many take 6+ hits or more if they use reppers. If I didn't combine AV nades, swarms, and help from others, they would never go down. Majority of players are these "idiots" (your words, not mine), so if I play solo against your new buffed tanks, I guess I'm expected to just accept dieing repeatedly and losing.

Despite all my investment, I'm still one-hitted by tanks who shoot the ground near me.

The leaderboard is BS tbh, at the end of the game the tanker is top due to WP, half the time my tank is fragoed by the SL so when i take out installations and vehicles i get points for it while normal infantry have to do alot more to get 100WP where as i can 3 shot something, half the time i can get 1k of WP by hitting the installtions before the game has truly started

So you want the number 1 position, the most WP, the highest kills, and the least deaths, then you will be satisfied?

Limit rails - Then you have to limit the FG then aswell, also the range of SL if the rail cannot shoot as far as the SL

That's not true. don't know about the FG, but I get killed by tanks that my swarms can't reach repeatedly.

We cannot lock the vehicle or kick ppl out of the turrets who would waste our ammo spamming it as the mcc, how many to a clip? how long to reload? where do we resupply? is it at depots? if so then some depots need to be brought down to ground lvl, is it by special nanohive? if so we need it in the game

Who cares if some blueberry uses up the ammo reserve on your small turret. You have a large one.

Resupply at supply depots like everyone else. locations of these are easy to change. But the supply is just a suggestion. There's no tanker in this game that's going to want limited ammo. Hell, I want unlimited ammo too, but alas, the rest of us are not so lucky as you.

I'm not trying to troll here, just giving my opinions. I see a lot of good tankers using good tactics and staying alive most matches while maintaining top position with the some of the highest k/d ratio's in the game. It seems unreasonable for anyone to throw any tank on the field and expect the same.

soooooo many things wrong with this guy's post, likely because hes infantry and knows nothing about driving tanks, if your not skilled into something don't talk about it because you don't know how it works

LOL, this guy thinks only tank drivers are entitled to speak.

I'm skilled into vehicles. I don't drive tanks because I don't like to drive them. So why don't you clarify which parts of my post are soooooo wrong?

your 1st statement on how you think there should be only one tank on each side of the battle, that would make this game too much like COD and no true dust player I know wants this to be a COD clone. the part of limited ammo, no way, we already have to worry about the enemy of getting the supply depots because of AV, you infantry can easily switch to AV within 2 seconds and immediately start hammering us, which is why we destroy them, eliminate the problem before it arises. and ok yeah I did say that anyone that doesn't know how to drive tanks shouldn't be posting mainly because all that ever comes out of your mouths are suggestions that will nerf us even more, and you immediately refuse anything that we suggest that will bring back the balance.

So you want the number 1 position, the most WP, the highest kills, and the least deaths, then you will be satisfied?



That's not true. don't know about the FG, but I get killed by tanks that my swarms can't reach repeatedly.



Who cares if some blueberry uses up the ammo reserve on your small turret. You have a large one.

Resupply at supply depots like everyone else. locations of these are easy to change. But the supply is just a suggestion. There's no tanker in this game that's going to want limited ammo. Hell, I want unlimited ammo too, but alas, the rest of us are not so lucky as you.

I'm not trying to troll here, just giving my opinions. I see a lot of good tankers using good tactics and staying alive most matches while maintaining top position with the some of the highest k/d ratio's in the game. It seems unreasonable for anyone to throw any tank on the field and expect the same.

As stated before, those are my opinions. You're allowed to disagree.

The statement that you shouldn't have to resupply because you're worried about AV is a poor argument. But like I said, nobody is ever going to want to have to resupply when they have unlimited ammo. But it seems a little odd to me that you can hammer down vehicles, installations, and infantry the entire match, barely letting go of the trigger and never running out of ammo.

I know this isn't real life, but real tanks require 4 people to man them and they still get disabled by RPG's. Why do solo tankers think they should be unbeatable by a single AV player? Just lower the price. Balance will be achieved.

Yes it is true, only time swarms dont hit is if im already behind cover yet they can still lock on and fly to my position

lower the price wont help alone, if you really want balance, then youl agree with us that getting advanced and prototype HAVs will finally bring the balance.

this is not like other games, in BF vehicles require more than 1 person to operate yes, but do those players personally skill up to get to drive them or operate the turrets, do they personally buy the vehicles they use there? no, no other game iv ever heard of lets you personally skill into and buy vehicles, Dust 514 stands alone in that.

for me to personally invest almost all of my SP into the skills of the tank then use my ISK to buy, then all of a sudden I get the message that im required to have people inside of my tank that never did the same? no way in hell will I ever let some random blue get into my vehicle and use the turrets.

and about the "well squad up and you wont have to worry about it", there are lots of times when im not able to squad up with others, either everyone is already in a match, squads are already full or nobody is online, leaving me to go solo (which is what I do 90% of the time).

They aren't a one man army now, but they were before. And most tankers want that again.

I'm AV. Prototype swarms, level 5 proficiency, 2 complex damage modifiers. I even have a prototype logi suit that can equip 5 complex damage modifiers, but despite the claims in this thread, I've tested extensively and it's barely any stronger than 2, so it's not worth it.

So yes, with several million sp invested, I can 3 hit some madrugers. Many take 6+ hits or more if they use reppers. If I didn't combine AV nades, swarms, and help from others, they would never go down. Majority of players are these "idiots" (your words, not mine), so if I play solo against your new buffed tanks, I guess I'm expected to just accept dieing repeatedly and losing.

Despite all my investment, I'm still one-hitted by tanks who shoot the ground near me.

(2 advanced nanohives will last you an entire match, look who also has unlimited ammo!) that take no effort or mental input from the user, no punishment for missing, just spam spam spam, and on top of that, these volleys do about 2k damage to my armor while I run about 40% armor resists.

Secondly, don't know where you are spending your SP because any good swarm launcher fit can be made with less than 2 mil sp (including dropsuits, modules, etc), anything more is inefficient for the SP cost and bloats the data. This compared to a tankers minimum SP cost of about 6mil, large isk costs, etc just goes to show the imbalance. Where tankers must work harder to be competitive, in comparison.

Lastly, if you are actually getting hit by a railgun as an AVer, you seriously need to rethink your strategies.

On my AV alt character with proto swarm launchers, I simply fly to the highest point of the map, lay down a nanohive and establish full map control from all vehicles, just because I know how to hold the trigger of a weapon down for 2 seconds in the general direction of my target and then release the trigger.

that's an interesting concept of unlimited ammo. by that logic, tanks will still have unlimited ammo if they have to resupply, so it shouldn't affect you. I've never seen a tank that wasn't spam, spam, spamming with no punishment for missing. Tanks do 3k+ damage to my lav in the span of a few seconds, much faster than swarms. So if I don't have the element of surprise, or good cover, there's little chance of surviving the encounter.



then allow me to enlighten you.
Level 3 weapony 174k
Level 3 light weapon 174k
Level 5 swarm launcher 621k
Level 5 Handheld weapon upgrades 621k
Level 5 Swarm proficiency 1.554 mil
Level 5 AV grenades 1.243 mil

That's just shy of 4.4mil. but wait, I don't have a suit yet. We need those when we're not in a tank, walking around with a swarm launcher and people are shooting as us. Throw on another 2 mil for your choice of suits. Sidearm would be nice so I'm not defenseless when the other 95% of your team attacks me. And those advance nanohives you think we all have cost sp too. You want me to use my Dropship and my LAV to help me beat you? well those cost SP too unless you want me to be OHK'd.


Are you going to claim railguns can't snipe infantry? wow, ok.


I feel this is a glitch that needs to be fixed. separate issue. Similar issues apply to snipers, forge guns, even Tanks.

I think I'm pretty good at what I do. Maybe not the best, but I hold my own. It's not as easy as tankers claim, unless you're sitting on the towers where nobody can reach you.

You shouldn't ask for an av nerf or a tank buff when you don't have proto tanks.

I support. I just want tanks to not get soloed by proto AVers anymore. With so much proto AV now, we are no longer a challenge but simply juicy WPs. Give us some love, especially shield tanks. We need a lot of love!