you see 2-3 militia tanks in every match they are worthless and get destroyed easy I can fight a militia tanks in my madrugar with only a minor hit to my armor

A tank is not a one man army, trust me. It can't maneuver for **** and is a huge target. It doesn't even have the defense to back up its slow acceleration. Someone who has specced into AV properly can literally 3 shot a madrugar with a protoswarm. What you are seeing is a bunch of idiots who don't know how to counter tanks/ignore them, get killed by them, rinse and repeat.

The leaderboard is BS tbh, at the end of the game the tanker is top due to WP, half the time my tank is fragoed by the SL so when i take out installations and vehicles i get points for it while normal infantry have to do alot more to get 100WP where as i can 3 shot something, half the time i can get 1k of WP by hitting the installtions before the game has truly started

Limit rails - Then you have to limit the FG then aswell, also the range of SL if the rail cannot shoot as far as the SL

We cannot lock the vehicle or kick ppl out of the turrets who would waste our ammo spamming it as the mcc, how many to a clip? how long to reload? where do we resupply? is it at depots? if so then some depots need to be brought down to ground lvl, is it by special nanohive? if so we need it in the game

soooooo many things wrong with this guy's post, likely because hes infantry and knows nothing about driving tanks, if your not skilled into something don't talk about it because you don't know how it works

your 1st statement on how you think there should be only one tank on each side of the battle, that would make this game too much like COD and no true dust player I know wants this to be a COD clone. the part of limited ammo, no way, we already have to worry about the enemy of getting the supply depots because of AV, you infantry can easily switch to AV within 2 seconds and immediately start hammering us, which is why we destroy them, eliminate the problem before it arises. and ok yeah I did say that anyone that doesn't know how to drive tanks shouldn't be posting mainly because all that ever comes out of your mouths are suggestions that will nerf us even more, and you immediately refuse anything that we suggest that will bring back the balance.

Yes it is true, only time swarms dont hit is if im already behind cover yet they can still lock on and fly to my position

lower the price wont help alone, if you really want balance, then youl agree with us that getting advanced and prototype HAVs will finally bring the balance.

this is not like other games, in BF vehicles require more than 1 person to operate yes, but do those players personally skill up to get to drive them or operate the turrets, do they personally buy the vehicles they use there? no, no other game iv ever heard of lets you personally skill into and buy vehicles, Dust 514 stands alone in that.

for me to personally invest almost all of my SP into the skills of the tank then use my ISK to buy, then all of a sudden I get the message that im required to have people inside of my tank that never did the same? no way in hell will I ever let some random blue get into my vehicle and use the turrets.

and about the "well squad up and you wont have to worry about it", there are lots of times when im not able to squad up with others, either everyone is already in a match, squads are already full or nobody is online, leaving me to go solo (which is what I do 90% of the time).

(2 advanced nanohives will last you an entire match, look who also has unlimited ammo!) that take no effort or mental input from the user, no punishment for missing, just spam spam spam, and on top of that, these volleys do about 2k damage to my armor while I run about 40% armor resists.

Secondly, don't know where you are spending your SP because any good swarm launcher fit can be made with less than 2 mil sp (including dropsuits, modules, etc), anything more is inefficient for the SP cost and bloats the data. This compared to a tankers minimum SP cost of about 6mil, large isk costs, etc just goes to show the imbalance. Where tankers must work harder to be competitive, in comparison.

Lastly, if you are actually getting hit by a railgun as an AVer, you seriously need to rethink your strategies.

On my AV alt character with proto swarm launchers, I simply fly to the highest point of the map, lay down a nanohive and establish full map control from all vehicles, just because I know how to hold the trigger of a weapon down for 2 seconds in the general direction of my target and then release the trigger.

This guy knows nothing about tanking...

My alt's .02 ISK

Absolutely not. If you have the ability to field your proto gear and stomp, then I want the ability to do the same with a vehicle.

What you just pulled there is called a strawman arguement. We don't want to be pubstomping kings. We just want to be as effective at our job as everyone else is at theirs.

Why do infantrymen get to top all the leaderboards, but not vehicle users?

Last I checked a Cal Logi is at the top of the Leaderboards.

How condescending of you. Maybe we should just turn all vehicles into dropsuits so we can have a sick 1v1 420 quickscope match! Why have teamwork right guys? We should water down gameplay so much that diversity is thrown out of the window!

Thinking like this is why this game is devolving more and more into just another infantry only arena shooter. Vehicles are seriously a joke at their current state in any serious competitive playing environment.

They like it up the butt

I took a full mag from a Gastuns Forge today. Didn't even move because I knew the FG user.

Build your tank better.

I don't know about getting a all your swarms and Lai Dai grenades and not getting a kill. I would suspect at least one if not two of the grenades missed.

When facing armor tanks, proto swarms with 2 damage mods can absolutely devastate them. Depending on reps and hardeners you can take up to 6 hits MAYBE. And that assumes that nothing else hits you, which normally never happens.

Best case scenario for a swarmer as an armor tank is that you can get away in time without magically following swarms finding you in cover and popping your ass.

But make no mistake, an armor tank that doesn't start going for cover as soon as they see the first volley of six pop out will more than likely die. IF they see them. IF they are not coming from someone on top of the MCC, or up above where the angles and cover don't matter, etc.

Using proto AV any tank can be easily killed without much effort and its a fact

Well get some height and its even easier

Flying a dropship to unreachable places and then shooting down with sniper rifles, forges, swarms, or tanks while youre pretty much unstoppable is not the way this game is meant to be played, imo. The solution isnt to buff the tanks. Im sure ccp can find better ways to fix the problem.

Couple of points here:

1) Getting AV up high is a tactical imperative. Should be done by any team in pretty much any match. Being able to respond to this is another tactical consideration that any good team will be ready for.

2) unreachable is subjective, because as I have made clear, there are very few places I have seen that cannot be hit back at with a rail gun. It may be difficult, but it isn't that you can't shoot back. More like they have a massive advantage especially using swarms because of how the tracking works and inhibits a tank from finding decent cover.

3) Advanced and proto tanks are coming, and that is a good thing, the question is how strong will they be, how strong SHOULD they be, and what steps need to be taken to establish a healthy balance between AV and Vehicle users.

4) Shield tanks need some love, Armor tanks are not as bad as some people make them out to be. Would I like an extra 60 PG and 15 CPU on my Madrugar? Of course, but it doesn't break my builds if I don't have it.

5) We all know that pilot suits are coming, lets all put our heads together and really try to make sure they don't come out broken, or they don't come out OP and get the nerf hammer into being useless.

no ccp response? i wonder if the devs died and everything is being ran by a hamster running on a wheel :(

No it doesn't depend on your playstyle. If you aren't using high ground to your advantage, then how are you engaging the tank? Running right in its face or within blaster range?

You just invalidated all of your posts, with these statements above. If you don't want to use AV properly, then suffer the consequences and get out of the way.

ATTENTION STARTING TONIGHT AND CONTINUING EVERY NIGHT FROM 9-10 PM EST WE WILL ALL BE SPAMMING "PROTO TANKS" "WHERE IS BLAM" AND "SUPPORT THE PETTITION" WE ARE TIRED OF BEING BENT OVER, TANKERS AND NON-TANKERS UNITE!!!

If you see a name i accidentally put on that's a non-supporter please tell me and ill remove it

Oh well, I might have been a bit harsh.

If you can manage 7.00 kdr with your playstyle, good for you. I don't know what that says about the balance between AV and tanks, if you are that successful with a such a strategy. Could you give me some more depth on your strategy, so I can see from your perspective a little more?

just cause u don't agree with it doesn't mean u have to troll it. please. go bother some other thread.

we wont agree to anything that nerfs us even further.

because this is not a regular fps game where its nothing but ar dumbshit 24/7. this is not a game that stands on its own, its a connection to eve online, and there, they have ships that take 5 or more ships to destroy and they have ships that are complete jokes, this is not meant to be a game where those of us who spent a year or so skilling into tanks to be easily taken down by one guy with anti vehicle weapons, that's not right.

what you are crying is that we want god mode, no we ******* don't, we want REAL BALANCE, not this **** that infantry keeps crying for, if you don't like vehicles then go and play cod, that's the only fps game I know of that has almost no vehicles at all and guess what you can one shot vehicles there because they DONT FOCUS ON VEHICLES, this game DOESNT FOCUS ON INFANTRY ONLY DAMNIT.

Thats not what we are asking. I want it to be a team of 3 proto or so to take on a fully fit proto tank, not a standard.

how many times have you seen an advanced or prototype tank be called in since uprising began? oh? none? thats what I thought, you idiot...

I kill about 3 avers before they send my ass running for the redline because I cant stand my ground against prototype av with just a standard tank.

we want balance, how is it balanced that we don't have advanced or prototype tanks on the field yet you have advanced and prototype av weapons to switch out in an instant? stop giving us emotional crap and give us actual facts already, im tired of listening to you infantry crying "whaaaaa I cant take down this standard tank with my militia av alone... whaaa we want to solo you with standard av weapons even when you get prototype tanks... whaaa it takes 3 standard av guys to kill one of you off.... whaaa you don't want balance, you just don't want to be soloed by us... whaaa you don't want this to be COD...... whaaa this is dust 514"

by your definition of balance here, there should be no balance and av should always have the advantage over vehicles like it has now.... I see, your an idiot.

we haven't had advantage over av since before chromosome, why do you think that nobody wants to skill into tanks? its not worth, it, the balance is broken and always will be if a standard av payer can solo a standard tank. because right now that's the way it is and its making this into another COD

I seriously can't believe that people are arguing that pro AV vs std tanks is balanced. And this comes from someone who is NOT a tanker. I don't even have to bother speccing into AV at all... I just run with hacked ex-0s and my buddy has lai dais.... There is no tank that can take 4 of each of those.

Seriously, its like what if there was onl std gallente suits available but proto caldari suits... how long do you think that would fly for?

I had some matches yesterday morning, really early so no one special on and it was my MLT tank vs MLT and std AV. Now with the right tactics and squad support i could manage to keep it alive the whole match. It felt really fun, engaging, and balanced.

Then i go to work and try again in the evening... My tank had a lifespan of less than 1 minute against proto AV. Okay that's fine, I can't understand its just a 200k ISK throw away tank against proto AV, probably balanced and fine, even if it was a little sad. But knowing that all tankers have is the std level... It's completely not balanced.

Now I'm almost always playing infantry, logi generally. When I'm squared up with 4-6 TPs... Then tanks are not, In the least fearsome, they are generally just free wps and occasionally rail snipers are an annoyance. Back in chrome if you saw a surya or a sagaris, they were a mighty force to be reckoned with. It was fun and engaging trying to take them down.

Fast forward to today, and generally its like oh crap hurry we better run over and take out that tank quick before some one else gets the WPs.

Or... If i have one our heavies running forge on my team, it literally goes like this:

"Tank coming down"
"Okay np, just give me a few seconds... Okay it's gone"


All of our AVers have about 10x more trouble with LLAVs than with tanks of any sort.

Yeah... Tanks right now are a joke. Even in PC, 1-2 AVers on a rooftop will lock down any vehicles for the entire match. They don't need support, if they get sniped they can just spawn back in on their uplink.

So yeah, as someone who isn't a tanker. We need adv and pro of all vehicles or the removal of adv and pro AV until there is.

The real question is... should tank chassis and av weaponry have the same tiers available for all?

Wut?

Confirmed for knowing nothing about tanks

Take a std basic tank into a PC match, proto AV tears it a new one not too mention it seems everyone carrys lai dai which are thrown 100m it seems and home in while causing 5400 damage at least to an armor tank

Lai Dai nearly 1800 damage roughly

Add in 20% extra damage to armor

So in fact doing 120% damage to armor

So 120% of 1800 is 2160 for 1 nade

x3 = 6480 roughly


Confirmed for knowing more about AV than you

then why even have this game at all? its not meant to be solely infantry or gun grunts running around, that's what other games have like cod and bf, if you don't like vehicles get out of dust 514, we are a valid play style and deserve as much respect as you demand from us.

again if you don't like vehicles, then why the hell are you playing this game? its honestly sad to see that CCP only listens to whiners like you. and if you want facts for my statement, look throughout the history of dust 514 and the forums, youl see that CCP rarely ever listens to vehicle users.

1- theres your problem, we are wanting it to require a MIMIMUM of 2 av players to take down a tank, that way we don't feel like we are being cheated like we are now and you guys still get your kill fast

2- you forgot about the major isk cost difference.

there is no balance, and the way your talking makes it seem like there is complete balance the way it is now, there is no way this is balanced. also many people agree on the standard vs standard right now because we have both classes in standard tier right now. one guy should not equal a tank, if that's the case then why the **** should we be in tanks, we should just be heavies going on foot a destroying everything with an HMG or forge gun if one dropsuit alone is able to match a fully proto tank by himself, theres no reason for the tank to exist if there is a cheaper more moveable smaller version of them in the infantry classes

I see your point and I agree, I just don't think anyone with Adv AV nades should be able to take out a well fitted tank. As much as I like to do it.

Easy peanut, that's exaggeration with a hint of sarcasm. So who blew up your tank?

the answer to your 1st question is because a tank is a 50 ton killing machine that can be used for various purposes and have the most advanced equipment in the market while a dropsuit is the size of a human figure thus cannot fullful everything like the tank does. I see you got emotional there with that question instead of going with actual fact and statistics. and let me answer you question with an emotional response too... why should a solo dropsuit the size of a human match me in a tank when I spent over 2x the SP to get into my tank as he did to get into his dropsuit? this game is based on ISK and SP like it or not, its not based on personal skill unfortunately. like in EVE Online where you CANNOT SOLO A TITAN WITH A FIGHTER, you need multiple starships to take down a single titan, this is NOT a regular fps game.

2 yes I do feel that im entitled to an easier way of victory because I chose to put almost everything I own into tanks which makes me have the best ones on the market which leads me to be feared, but that's besides the point.

ok eve online is the game that this is meant to be PART of and it is so to say that a game connected to EVE Online should not be similar to EVE Online is complete idiocy.

pay to win is not using the in-game currency, its using real money to pay for an advantage over people who do things with regular ****. that is COD mindset and a COD fanboy whiner saying right there. this is NOT COD OR BF OR HALO OR A REGULAR FPS, THIS IS DUST 514.

Pay to Win-Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. (NOT using the in-game currency, using currency from real life).

first off if u don't agree with this thread and/or have nothing constructive to say then just stop replying to this thread. I don't want to have to read though this entire thread with ur yellng and whining how u think vehicles r fine or watever ur defending. We got it the first time if u want to say vehicles r fine then go make a petiton asking for CCP to make them the same. Ok good. Now just stop replying. since obviously all u know wat to do is say how wrong we are and stating ur base off ur oppnion.

Thank u for ur time and ur bumps through the thread.

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your completely ignorant, you know that? I would love to kill you off in a match. im not advertising anything, I keep bringing it up because everything you want vehicles to be can be found in COD.