@Marauder, I stopped putting SP into pretty much anything for fear of the constant nerf train that I see inbound any day now. I will continue to focus on core skills as I doubt those skills will get nerfed. Weapon SPs are hardly worth it after ADV or even basic tier. I find you are far better off switching to a weapon that suits a given map then spend a ton of SP "min/maxing" The nerf bat will continue to fall, better to have another fallback then be reliant on a single weapon platform. Im starting to believe that IWS is correct in omnisolider lifestyle.

I'm probably gonna post a thread asking for cloaks to be removed.

Might it prove more productive to work with IWS?

It won't. Really. His ideas are and always have been for a completely different game only it uses the same name as this one.

I seriously don't understand the complaining about the decloak delay and shotguns. You would have died anyway, no amount of "delay" will make it any less effective at point blank range. If a shotgun is one shotting you, even without a cloak you are too late. A delay won't change that situation.....AT ALL.

It puzzles me why they didn't redo the slots of the mediums at the same time as everything else.

Ok.

I'm probably gonna post a thread asking for cloaks to be removed. I don't expect anybody to really care, but I'll be posting from the perspective of a scout and I don't want anyone, especially you guys thinking I in any way think I represent the 'scout community'.

I just cannot stand to see more scout/cloak QQ.

I mean apparently Shotguns are OP now..

Is anybody as concerned as I am that CCP is simply gonna nerf the hell out of scouts before even fixing the weapon switch declack issue, the unbalanced cost armour plating or the poor state of assaults?

Like increase clack fitting cost and half duration and remove Low slots because 'brick tanking is OP (but only on scouts apparently...)'.

The QQ base will never accept cloaks. People raged about 'invisible scouts' shotgunning them in the back before clacks. Now their QQ is 'legitimised'.

Out of all the rebalancing in 1.8 - the extra slots, pg/CPU and base stat improvement. Our role bonus is what I was most disappointed in and happiest to see changed to something less...contentious.

If it gets the FoTM chasers to reconsider going Sentinel/Commando instead, that will help ease scout QQ in itself right???

I understand your concern Yan, but QQers won't be happy until nothing can hurt them. The cloak QQ is as much an outcome of the community as it is the cloak itself.

And there's no chance that CCP will remove something that they've been working on for over a year.

Posting a remove cloaks thread just legitimises the QQers and gives them more fuel for the fire, which may lead to scout nerfs.

That said, completely respect your right to post.

Suggestions
* Light Weapons V (for added CPU)
* Weapon Prof IV + Optimization II or III (for added PG)
* Swarms (for chasing away Birds and Cowards tankers)
* Cal Scout (for crushing the Undampened)
* Hacking V
* Nades, REs, ULs, Hives

Or I could max out my ADS. I have it currently at lv 3 Shield skills and adv missiles.

The thing I find amusing is that the idea of having a cloak that you could shoot from got nerfed before it hit, despite the fact that it would have been better than the current situation. If it had been blow the timer down when you shoot and can't recloak until recharge hits halfwayGǪ or full. Don't know what the plan was there.
Sure the QQ would have been epic but in retrospect not exactly terrible compared to what we have now. Pre-nerf was a bite in the ass.

@ Murt - I hope I haven't given the impression that I think cloaks are actually OP - a few balance issues aside at worst I find dealing with cloaks almost as annoying as snipers or heavy+LAVs. 'Almost' because bad clackers are actually easy kills.

Already have lv 5 in all of that beside Cal scout, Swarms, and weapon prof.

Essentially I need help deciding between spending my SP on weapons or another suit. And like I mentioned before, prof skills don't seem too worth it for me. I think I'm leaning more on a different suit.

Or I could max out my ADS. I have it currently at lv 3 Shield skills and adv missiles.

Or I could just save it for when they come out with something new.

Oh for *profuse profanity*'s sake!

The cloak QQ is the most irritating load of nonsense overflowing these forums. The suggestions to fix it are easily some of the worst ideas ever to be voiced on these forums. Most people are simply looking at the symptoms and blaming entirely the wrong thing for what's happening.

Case in point: I keep getting shotgun 2hk'd before I even know someone's there! The shotgun must be OP and the shotgun cloak combo must the OPOP because that's the only way I wouldn't have seen them. And as an extra just in case, assaults need better ewar capabilities to combat sneakiness and stealth.

These are serious points made in many of the posts against cloaks.

The biggest problem with the cloak is that you can still shoot at least for half a second while cloaked before it deactivates. During that time you get your extra dampening and lower visibility (even if it is still blurry, it's a difference). Once this is fixed, a massive proportion of the cloak QQ problems will instantly disappear.

It seems that a lot of the brick tanked scout rage has died down lately - I'm assuming the brick mediums got scared when people started suggesting nerfing HP mods - so focus has turned to ewar. Now they want to even the ewar playing field between scouts and medium suits! WTF!? WTFF!? FWTF!?!? Make the ewar suit out-ewar-able by a DPS suit? FFS!

I still think the extra dampening bonus on cloaks is unnecessary - cloak does give a sizeable advantage already and if you want to be properly undetectable by most, you should have to sacrifice slots to do so. Ok so caldari scouts might still easily pick you up but that's one suit, one viable counter. Everything needs it's one viable counter.

Lastly, I maintain that regular armor plates need nerfing. Remember when the complex plate had 10% movement penalty and no one used them? Seems like a very long time ago now. Then they got massively buffed (did the HP go up as well at that point?) at the same time the ferros and reactives got introduced. I still don't entirely understand why they got so hugely buffed. I still don't understand why prior to that the entire game was shield tanking.

Armor plates currently give far too much bang for their buck but I wouldn't actually want to change that. Bring back the old speed penalties and see how that changes things. No scout is going to want to lose 30% of their speed to fully armor tank. And remember maths, people. 10% of 8.01m/s > 10% of 6.43m/s. Anyone suggesting differing speed penalties between suit classes needs to recognise that this already happens. Scouts lose a lot more speed than assaults or heavies because they have more to begin with and the penalty is % based.

Or we could just raise cpu and pg on the plates

You have really pointed out everything that is not working as intended with scouts.