I'm a scout too (run the minmatar variant), but after the 1.2 update with the stamina nerf, I am starting to lose hope

Reaching out to the CPM is a great idea, Mollerz.

Kudos on taking the initiative; I was really impressed with your tactical approach. Everyone is expecting moaning and QQ, yet you opted to pose a simple, direct question. You'd make a fine lawyer.

Anyhow, I agree 100% that better scout representation is in our long-term best interest. Iron Wolf Saber's quick and candid response would indicate that we currently have ear of the CPM. Let's do what we can to make their job easier.

As we all face similar but different challenges in Uprising 1.2, I think that our best chance of sound representation would involve selecting a Liaison from each of our core categories:

CPM Liaison for Gallente Scouts
CPM Liaison for Minmatar Scouts
CPM Liaison for Scout Snipers

Ideally, the Liaison from each category should have access to prototype suits, this way he/she can relate to the concerns and feedback of peers at all levels. Further, said Liaison would preferably be a full Scout (not a cross-class), be articulate (not troll or tantrum prone), and be willing to invest a little time in the Forums. I don't think it'd be a huge burden time-wise, but our Scout Liaisons should be willing and able to distill and respond to feedback from peers in order that the CPM may be engaged in a well-informed and unanimous manner.

If you guys think that is a good approach, then our next step is to decide upon who we'd like to represent us in the above Scoutly categories. We have alot of talent in our ranks; a clever lot, we Scouts. I'll be glad to provide each of our three Liaisons an endorsement from the Registry, a front-page link to a his/her Liaison Feedback thread, and any community statistics he/she may require. That is, if you guys think this is a good approach.

So these are my thoughts, Mollerz. Its totally up to you guys how we proceed from here. If anyone's interested in a position as CPM Scout Liaison, or if anyone has ideas for how we should engage CPM, please step forward and make your interest/ideas known.

o7,
Shotty

Mollerz, you'd make a great CPM Liaison for your Minja Brothers. Will you have Forum access whilst traveling?

- Shotty

im #1 now :D

bring it! just attack a hs district and we can set up a 1v1

Major suit changes (i.e. adding slots) are off the table; however, they could buff our base characteristics (i.e. PG/CPU, HP, Speed, Stamina, Stealth etc) if and when they desire.


- Shotty GoBang

Mollerz, I did not find here what was asked

Nah, it's not super private. I did want to, to keep rumors from rollin', but basically I wanted to know, on a corporate scale, if an all scout team actually works.

Confirmed ... no CPM or DEV comment/response.

Which is also a front for a second barber shop.

ScMk.0.GEK.nifer

Gek-38
IshNoks
Flux
C-nano
3x C Shield Exts
C Cardiac Reg
E Kin Cat

Hey RONER GENERAL KNIFE FIGHT ME U CHUMP!
I PULL UP MY KNIVES U PUT YOURS AWAY AN SHOTGUN ME THEN I GO TO THE S.E corner AN YOU SHOOT ME IN THE BACK YOUR A BI;(H!

hit or miss is most everything in game. what works today won't work tomorrow.

You would be surprised on how many people don't do this... and get blow up by my RE's

Folks, I just added a thread about timeframe for Scout revision/buff. I think it's an interesting issue. The thread is falling off the front page. Please, check it out. If you find it interesting, please support it. If you don't, again your feedback would be good.

[url]https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101174&find=unread[/url]

Pretty sure the damage stats reflect an uncharged, single swipe. Charged damage is 2x stated damage, and you swing twice per attack. So maximum damage is 4x stated damage, assuming both slashes of your charged attack register. I think.

As a point of reference, Calamity Jane's medium-suit's melee deals 400 dmg.

Too bad the CPM don't play the game anymore outside of closed servers with CCP.

finally got 5 re kills at once in uprising \o/

no joke with the hitscan weapons, increased range, and the fact that meters are treated like feet for some odd reason speed tanking can be a harm rather then a help

o/
I have fun with both

I run under 300hp, using a basic reactiveGǪ I know unorthodoxGǪ but effective for me.

For sure caveman, I should be on tonight. I've been running zn28s all week for the event. Ill mail you when I'm on and we'll squad and ill run you through my fits and help you with movement on the field but 1 rule no scanner please it alerts the red dots that they're being stalked

Ya think it is time locked. I had a couple old ones have that goin on

well my Brother and sister scouts,
I made a decision tonight, and followed thru.

during the evening I been contemplating on my sp that I have banked.
I'm just not so hot on my gal suit. It's pissing me off.

so, with all do respect of, I am hanging up my Gal Sout suit
for something a lil more zap to it where I need it.
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Specd into a minja ;)
at level 2, soon to be 3, advance.
I see the light :)

Nothing for Bermudian scouts?

I'm insulated.

As a Minja I'd recommend not using the class if you have another suit, it's bonuses are simply not worth it as is.

Same thing that's wrong with the Minmatar Scout.
trading base shields and armor for speed while having less fitting power.

Anything else they do well?

Its good to do that for the slots... but its also appropriate in another way.

You're presumably maxed on range skill, so with minmatar, you're gonna have... ALMOST the same passive range as an ADV gallente scout

Gonna be difficult. But if you're gung-ho for knives, I recon it will help you a lot with the improved walk speed.
o7

Mollerz: We'll need to find a prominent spot on the wall for this guy.

'Added physical impact to all weapons'?

l take this to mean the Shotgum will stagger targets such that they'll no loger be able to spin around and win.

I don't see this working to our favor, guys.
This'll be a buff to high RoF weapons.

Brothers,

The Scout Registry / Killboard will be officially closed on December 9th.

The Killboard will receive its final update on close date.
Future Killboard updates will no longer be applied.
Pending and Future Applicants will not be added.

It was an honor to serve you, and I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors.

Sincerely,
Shotty GoBang

I would definitely be up for some form of protest.

You'd need to get all the Scouts in on it though for it to work.

start a petition thread.
scouts sign it.
all scouts boycott all at same time, same day, same duration.
all boycott scouts role into another deemed out fit, while boycotting.

07 Shotty.

Hit me up if you make the move to Destiny. I will be there, waiting. You would like the Hunter class.

Also, I fully support the boycott. Make a page. Let em see the hate.

While we wait and hope for some scout protest to take shape, for now, why not temporarily change the name of a thread you've started, in tribute.

Don't forget to bump.

Welp, if anyone did went to destiny or even titanfall, make a corp/guild w/e there and name it Scouts United, then we can rebuild where we left off.. I hope to meet up there as we all did here. Sticking here as long as I could for now

1) Those still playing will still be using this thread as long as the game exists and Scouts are a role

2) I'd like the thread renamed in a few weeks, so everyone can learn that shotty has retired from running the thread. like "Scout's Watercooler" or something more creative with the same meaning.

There is that one too, but it has another meaning as a verb and one as a noun

Peace out to ... brothers and sisters o7

Do other games have such easy ways to communicate with fellow players?

So, Mr. Mustard just earned my respect as the most dedicated Minmatar Scout ever.

I saw him running Ishukone Nova Knives and ______ Scrambler Pistol in a Planetary Conquest.
Those nova knives even made the kill feed against heavies on my team.

On the other hand, he really loves the taste of scrambler rifles. I hear they are a delicacy where he comes from

And Aim Assist was definitely turned down. I was really mad that my rail rifle wasn't locking on to targets as I engaged them the first battle. It took me a bit of time to get used to actually aiming again.

YES

They have to be parked and foolishGǪ

Yep I too go full BPO suits in FW. My KDR suffers greatly, but I lose no isk, and I break the game economy. I get so happy when I take down a proto guy. Its all evens out. I usually cant even get mad when I am not losing isk and I get a TON of good salvage. Only thing that brings me down is lack of winmitar scout BPO fittings...... and no NK BPO....


PS: Looking at that range chart makes me sad for winmitar scout all over again Our bonus is worthless.

What did you expect? The forums are being flooded with tank and now FW topics.

Note to Self:
Plasma Cannon is not the secret solution to the current tank problem. (Tested and Confirmed)

---

In other News:
Veteran tanker weighs in on the state of tanks ...
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128584&find=unread

^ Concludes:
All this infantry fussing is for nothing ... AV isn't even supposed to kill a tank. AV is only supposed to scare them away, or maybe help a friendly tank win a tank battle. So everything is fine.

WHAT THE HECK IS WITH THIS HALF-SPRINT BULL-KITTEN!!!!????

>_<

Seriously, this bug always seems to pop up at the most inopportune times.

FYI atm remotes and proxies will kick from FW because they count the full damage against themselves as friendly equipment, so don't bother until the hotfix next week. Seriously, how does this stuff get past even the simplest QA!?

Also this tells us what the other two racial bonuses are likely to be
-Increased scan time for active scanners?
-Have less shimmer

Of course this is all theory and one can't hold the language used as full Dev disclosure.

Given what we've seen in 1.7, I'm somewhat concerned that CCP may go overboard on Scouts.
They've buffed armor to such a degree that the only counter to a Tank is another Tank.
If they buffed us along similar lines, we'd lose our identity. No one wants HardMode to be EZ.

Frankly, I like earning my kills, so I'll be the first to voice concern if we are rendered FoTM.
That said, I'd also take issue with a halfhearted "this-for-that", of the likes Llast is concerned.
If there's one thing that sets us apart, its that we like a challenge.

Regardless of what may come, one thing's for sure ...
If CCP made Scouts FoTM, we sure wouldn't behave like Tankers are behaving right now.
Legend345 is the only one I've seen to stand up and object to his class being made FoTM.

I'm kinda wondering if at this point, cloak will be overkill. so to speak :)

if I can wreak havok in a valor scout as-is... and I'm not mr. FPS .... adding a cloak will be ...
potentially terrifying to the other side.


(what makes me successful, is range and damping)


(well, that, and an AR, apparently :-/ )

The combat rifle is an absolutely fantastic weapon.
Seriously, try it. I shred heavies fairly easily in that fit without any proficiency.

EDIT: Just achieved my personal best scout match at 34/2. Dragonfly + CR.

Seeing all those mk.0 suits with the cobat rifle I am getting really jeallous. THey don't even need to pull out their sidearms.

New "I ain't jelly" scout suit:
Logistics gk.0
3 complex damage mods
Republic Combat Rifle
RE, Allotek nanohive, compact nanohive, Federation Active Scanner
2 complex profile dampeners, 2 complex cardiac regulators, complex kinetic catalyzer.

P.S. I have more HP than you even if you use ferroscale plates, elsewise I'll be faster than you.

I should use NKs more often, I've gotten worse at hitting moving targets, it's embarrassing.

I need some things to hope for while I watch my brother survive CR blasts and waste my ISK/SP on his assault trappings. The urge to play assault for a bit is pretty high, since he's using my SP on it anyway.

Cloaks are going to be equipment, so you won't be able to cloak whilst shooting or even aiming (because you'll have to put the cloak away to take out your weapon, much like the active scanner). Can't see it being much use for snipers really, except for moving between camps, I guess.

Hmm.. also, as a weapon... it would be reasonable for it to require "ammo".

So you'd be selective about when you engage it. you wouldnt just run around with it on all the time.

technically, I supose they could do that with EQ as well; the selective, limited runtime bit. like scanners.
But I like the idea of ammo, in the guise of charge packs or something like that.

...The enhanced mobility it provides makes up for its relatively low protection, and when combined with stealth technology modules, the scout suit is the obvious choice for whipping ass.

I love the enthusiasm, but that seems like overkill.

Are you on right now? I am about to hop on myself.

As for power: I really don't want too much power. I want flexibility with the gun. The ability to take on 2-3 targets if you can direct shot them, or the ability to take down a lone target by splashing him to death.

Right now, the flaylock can only kill if you can direct shot people, because of the lolsplash with people's huge HP nowadays.

Not sure where you got your "sense" meter calibrated, but I suggest you get it re-calibrated somewhere else :D
Does it make it tougher to use than the uber-kill-toy you dream about? sure.
But you're not going to get your uber-kill-toy. Wake up and smell the nerf bat.

it is a certainty that CCP is going to "pre-nerf" cloaks, as you put it, one way or another.

If we demand full, no-limiting cloaking... we're not going to get it. Instead, we're going to get nerfing from the CCP wheel-o-randomness. Far better to suggest limits of our own choosing, than have whatever nightmare CCP comes up with, inflicted on us.

Consider this:

if they implement it as I've suggested, as a light weapon, with laser-rifle style engagement... it should then be possible to
spawn in cloaked. Just hold down the trigger during spawn.

Spamming trigger on spawn-in has occasionally given me a free headshot kill. This should be even better.
Time to give spawn campers a little surprise.

OK Bojo - end.

On Knives - how do the users deal with fov and losing their prey and getting disoriented?

Also how many swipes before knives dont do any damage?

so far, all I've seen you say, is basically, "I dont like your ideas they suck".

How about you now post your idea, and objectively point out the two important details of first of all, how your idea has some kind of balance to it (rather than uber-scout-OP), and then specifics of how your idea is better than my suggestion.

This is exactly what everybody using knives needs to know. Most who've used them for awhile probably already do, but i know it seems to come up every once in awhile.

Reorienting with Knives: I jump sometimes buys a second to figure out WTH is going on, see tacnet and change position. Enemy does not expected and breaks trackingGǪ sometimes

And looks badass
Sometimes the intimidation factor of looking like you know what you are doing gives an edge

I THOUGHT WE DECIDED TO FINISH THE CLOAK CONVERSATION

it would be nice, but I dont think its going to happen.

If it's not going to be a module slot, what would *you* prefer? eq slot, or light weapon slot?

Problem Solved.

Have a thread

Lags was killing me the other night

@ Quil

You acknowledge that the Shotgun's DPS is comparable to that of a rifle (excluding headshots).
You acknowledge that the Shotgun's range limitations make it easy to avoid.
You oppose improvements to Shotgun range and damage "because of headshots".

I think you'd agree that the challenge of Shotgunning lies in getting into optimal range, preferably alive and undetected. Once within range, you'd then require that shotgunners line up and place headshots to have any real DPS advantage over their opponents. Is this correct?

If the headshot bonus were removed, would you then support an increase to SG range and damage?

Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?

I just dont want people to think I gave up

Random 3 page troll thread gets tons of attention and reply from the DEVs.

Yet 283 Page thread gets completely ignored by the DEVs?

Seems Legit.

Absolutely, good sir. Will fixxy tomorrow.

(Merry Christmas, Scouts.)

@ Scout Vets
This thread's gone to sh*t. Apologies. How do we fix?
Best we vets leave and let the noobs debate theory amongst themselves?
Best we vets stick around to slap noobs about when they say stupid things?

"A 3-D printer only better"
pretty sure it is going to be nanohive... but it could be a drop uplink... and I want it to be a BPO

IT'S GOING DOWN EVERYBODY. SH-T IS GOING DOWN.

I'd say that was mean, only I ran into him on one of my alts when he was using ADV gear and took him out in a starter fit, so I'm going to have to agree with you there.

Wait, lemme make sure I'm understanding you fully.

You infer I'm a bad scout, because you... when you werent wearing a scout suit.... took me down with an AR (or possibly an grenade?)

Wow, you're right. I must be a horrible scout. After all, no scout dies to an AR, they're way UP

Damnit LIast.

While we're here, is that L followed by capital i or by a small L?

Just for laughs: I wonder how CCP will bone the game this time in 1.8

You went full knifer....? Damn... never go full knifer....

It's fun, but not running a secondary is just bad tactics.

Are you short on CPU or PG? I know minmatar are short on fitting, but you can't just throw whatever you like onto your suit? because I can literally put any combination of modules on the Gallente Scout- given I use FW Specialist weapons for the light weapon slot.

I figured yo could just toss on the basic CR because there was room

Cost effective? most cot effective suit I have are any of my BPOs. . . which means I have like a bazillion ISK. So proto when I want it. for some reason, I also can't use ADV gear. like STD gear: 20/5, PRO 20/2, ADV? 5/10

Anyone by chance have video of the "Slow Sprint" bug?

Sounds like CCP hasn't be able to reproduce the issue:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1666104#post1666104

New favorite scout skill:

Sneak to corner of map along enemy redline, call in rail sica, and proceed to destroy installations and vehicles. A militia sica will fit a militia rail, militia armor hardener, militia shield hardener, militia shield booster, and extra ammo. Just watch for scouts with REs!

Gunning for the proto Minmatar scout I think. I liked the Gallente but I'm addicted to the speed of the Minja and that knife bonus is sweet.

I'm really looking forward to that little bit more durability as well as the ability to fit ishnoks - I've noticed a huge difference moving from STD to ADV in terms of durability because of the extra shield extender.

Needs more maths, comparisons, etc.
For reference: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752
This kind of thing. It depends on how much I can write, but I've committed myself to the scout role at this stage and I feel like I could write something near that length.

Aannnd... still attacking me. Surprise, surprise.

Some people say that intense emotionally driven attacks on someone, actually hide other, more intimate feelings.

Sorry to disappoint you bro, but I dont swing that way.

^ if CCP radically changes the scout tree,
I would bet a Sierra Nevada torpedo we be getting a respec.

Problem is I don't want to bet on a respec as those are rarely given. Plus you saw the rage people had when pilots got respec and others did not.

I just don't hold my breath. Instead I will put it into support skills.

Apparently, YOU dont.



When you tell people not to listen to ME specifically, instead of addressing the issue.. that's attacking ME.

Since you dont seem to even comprehend how rude you're being to me.. how about you simply just refrain from referring to me, either directly, OR INDIRECTLY, in the future.

That means no more 'blah blah.. Quil .. blah blah', AND no 'blah blah "That Guy" blah " type references either.

Have an opinion on an issue I write about? Great. Write about the issue.

I would raise you a Sierra IPA but I like Torpedos. They hit hard.

Psst, guys. Guess who got herself unbanned?

That was a bit of a fail mollerz, but good effort.

Woah there! Let's just calm down a minute. There's no need for this. Just a gentle 'Have you tested this?' would do.

I'll go test it now. Gentlemen, please remember that we should all be friends here. Let's leave the vitriol at the door for the tank/AV debates.

I just had a horrible, horrible moment where I charged up my knives for a proto sniper kill... and got a blue flash. Then I got another one. Then he turned around leisurely and killed me on the third attempt.

I'm just sad ccp are fixing commandos before scouts....yay we are put on the backlog......again. Guess that means there are morpeople running commando than scouts.......... *histerical sobbing*

To be fair ccp has made the scanning system so damn convoluted no one really can test it correctly. Things change so frequently and often in a ninja nerf way we cant really track what is fact anymore.

Knives work one day and are **** the next....some days I'm getting instagibbed by ScR and owning with the shotgun next. But it's never consistent and I think that's what makes it so damn difficult to prove ANYTHING.......

But data/video always helps.

I present to you then
Gogol Bordello

One GǪ. currently awaiting parts
VinylGǪ let's see ummm lots
Stone Roses
The Nuge (oh yeah the original Cat Scratch FeverGǪ in original sleeve (In true Nuge fashion the guitar is a double barrel shotgun )
A bunch of singles and rare releases like Face to Face
My favourite though is my Bauhaus, Bela Lugosi's Dead picture disc, a rare find

Sweet, see you tomorrow then.

By the way, Bulls on parade holds the title for the best guitar solo EVER.

More great music here

mollerz, bad scout. bad. *bops with newspaper* Gallente Scouts do not use Active Scanners *wags finger.*
You've got passive scan range of 27m and change. the next 2 levels get you to 36. use the low slots for a dampener and a range amp. use high slots for damage mods. Win.

lol, but seriously Shield tanking is very good for long range engagements while armor tanks are for that up close and personal "Bruiser" style. While Passive Scan and CQC just go so well together. Long Range + Speed are for Minmatar and Caldari.

Okay, seeing that both Shotty and Jolly are posting.

Is it time to get that hunting squad set up?

I really wanna shotgun that guy

*cough*

So.... you wanna post an update to that, mollerz?

I don't want to lose my knife bonus

I don't think that will happen, seems double bonus is the order of the day
May lose the melee bonus in favour of hacking bonus which would make me happy
btw that face looks constipated and should always be followed by this one

I'm in Chicago, Illinois.

I want more pistols

What are you thinking the action will be like? High dps, med rof?

You want brr-ass weather you come and sit on the west coast of Ireland.
The weather is so bad it actively depresses and tries to kill you.
And knowing you skeptics, I'll throw this in, Science proved it.

You mean like yesterday? where it was -10-¦F or today where it is warming up to a nice 0-¦F? Yeah. I'm about to venture off into that. Also which neibhorhood were you in? I spend a lot of time in Uptown/Andersonville, you know where all the pretty ladies are

Generally speaking, the Shotgun will outperform the Rifle if your target has under 450 HP and is within 5 meters. The Rifle is the superior option in all other circumstances (I'm told there are quite a few :p).

For whatever reason, since 1.7 a flanked and "stun-locked" target is often unable to retaliate. Ultimately, flanking with a Rifle is just as deadly -- albeit less fun -- as flanking with a Shotgun. And with a Rifle, you don't have to leave the shadows, chase down targets, disclose your position, get within hipfire range, account for back-pedaling, etc etc etc.

Far More Reward, Far Less Risk
Use a Rifle. I do ... unless I'm screwing around.

Precisely!
Though you must try TT-3 ScP.
Pew Pew Pew.

@ Marauder
I am content. Erase the post so that we don't have to fear shotty's wrath.

@Llast and Bojo

No really, how is his name pronounced?

Boho?
Boo-jo?
Bjo-ho?
Devin?

I still don't know how to pronounce it. We must learn.