Posting alts? what lunacy is this!

I don't think I know anyone that uses a posting alt.

Put that alt in a Scouts United corp. ;)

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Now recently its seen a spike in popularity, certainly, but it has not actually changed or gained any power (save for the range buff in 1.7) . The perceived power of the weapon has far more to do with the (now declining) popularity of shield fits, which the scrambler rifle absolutely wrecks.

All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is.

As far as the future goes - too early to tell. CCP will watch how all this plays out with the new rifles, but Scrambler rifle users need not fear the nerfbat for the immediate future. Just because people are crying about it does not mean CCP recognizes it as a problem. If they do, I've missed a post or comment somewhere.

Yes, hit detection improved in 1.6, but this is NOT the same as the Scrambler rifle performance itself changing. Many weapons improved in 1.6, including the AR, SMG, and Scrambler pistol. This is what is causing the frustration over TTK, but it is generalized across many weapons not just the Scrambler Rifle.

While you are correct that a change to the rifle occurred, it was hardly one that suddenly broke the weapon, compared to the generalized "buff" that most weapons received when hit detection was improved.

These are all questions that CCP Wolfman or Remnant would have to answer, not me. I don't actually know why TTK wasn't adjusted in conjunction with the hit detection improvements, all I know is that Wolfman has said "we're looking into it". That's literally all I know, and all he's shared with the CPM.

The lack of incremental, iterative balance work frustrates me deeply as well. I wish I had an answer as to why its not taking place, but I don't. All we know at any given time is what the devs are currently working on (in this case, new weapons and vehicles.)

Do you get credit for the kill this way though?

and what if you jump out?

I am just curious what you all think, seeing as how I respect the opinions of those in this thread more than most others in the forum.

How are the new CR and RR? I died to them a lot, but I am just curious if this is because they are new or popular, or can they be classified as EZ mode.

Do you get credit for the kill this way though?

and what if you jump out?

I now have a Templar Logistics A-1 fitted with Remote Explosives and F/45 Remote explosives and a Toxin AR for AV now.

Gentlemen, I've recently been trying to kit out my Gallente scout for scanning. However, try as I might, nothing seems to pop up on passive scan!

I'm currently running the Federation Scout GK.0 (which is identical to the normal one) like this:

Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
M209 Assault SMG

Complex Precision Enhancer

Complex Profile Dampener
Complex Range Amplifier
Complex Armour Plates
Complex Armour Repairer

Nanohive


Unfortunately, I've yet to see pretty much anyone pop up on scan - the only time I've noticed it has been at point blank range with no obstructions.

Does it have any effect through walls whatsoever?
Is it worth using?
Am I doing something wrong?

Also, would someone mind offering me tips on my fit? The idea is that I flank all the time and CQC murderboat things with the SMG or alternatively pick people off with the TAR - but I really want to try and get passive scanning working to help me with the sneaking.

Minor note. I wouldn't recommend using both amps and a scanner together. The scanner will notify enemies that you are in the area and your reduced eHP from using a damp and an amp will make it difficult to confront an aware enemy.

Also, feel free to create a second fit changing out the damp. Proto scanners are fairly rare in pubs (not sure about FW) so you can swap it out for something else and just pull out the dampened fit when a wild proto scanner does appear.

[Flux + Flaylock ... No Dice]

Worth noting for the RE on vehiclesGǪ they don't stick or stay if they are deployed in the enemy redline. Not sure what happens if you stick them on a HAV and it rolls back across the line though. Requires more research.

OT of JJs:
Fit all three types of remotes on your JJ? They wont be able to stop that madness.

So... Are scouts dead or just this topic?

Anyone else notice that sprinting no longer cancels an active scan? I'm not sure if this was intentional or not by CCP but it's bothering me a lot. If someone gets the jump on you while you're in a scan you're toast.

Where is the standard combat rifle?

My god. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but... It's so damn easy now.

Gal scout + Range Amps + ARR is so f***ing amazing.

This entire night I've gotten 20+ kills playing solo on every game except one and on average I only had about 3-4 deaths per game. And this was usually against a squad from a decent corp (one game even had two squads)

I'm hunting down entire groups of enemies and there isn't a thing they can do about it.


Is this how logis have felt throughout Uprising?

Kind of enjoying scouts when I get to play a proper match, but every match I've played lately has just devolved into tank spam everywhere.

It's not fun - I saw a 145 - 0 Skirmish match today.

Well, maybe a Minmatar tank.

The only saving grace I've had against tanks is that they are way too eager to hunt us ground pounders and roll past too fast to properly see me.

I do hope CCP fixes the militia injector soon. They also have really fast acceleration, right? I hope that gets reduced as well.

We have all read the blog about scouts but I wanted to look at this closer, because I think it gives out the direction they are going.



Did you guys notice this? If I am reading this right? The scan profile reduction will be one of the racials and not the universal scout bonus. Which means maybe the cpu/pg reduction will become the scout bonus based on the wording.

Also what do you think it means by scanning longer especially when used after the word choice further? Is he referring to the active scanner or is it suggested that passive scans are not 100% or perhaps a lingering effect to passive scanning?

Why I find this interesting is because it looks like we might be getting tied to equipment, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it is note worthy nonetheless.

Also the later features are what I believe will be offensive ewar.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1599680#post1599680

Help me get Shotty on the Dust514 hall of fame.

It's a player made community Hall of Fame, dedicated to honoring the "Unsung Hero's" of Dust514.

Imagine what he would do if he came back and found that

It's a hall of fame. People are inducted into those based on performance/contribution and doesn't require the inductee to be alive.

BAH! Shotty just has "tank" vision and wants to see them vaporized.
This is a far better example of fun times hunting tanks. I dare you to NOT laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKx7wpgrxw

I am still surprised on the lack of QQ on JJs coming from tankers. But I assume most of them don't even realize whats happening. So lets keep it that way

As far as changing roles for scouts. I really hope they create a separate role bonus for cloaking. So it would be an across the board "role" on every scout suit. Role since it wouldn't be skill based. It would reduce cloak fitting requirements by a specific %.

I would assume passive scanning will eventually get a "pulse" effect. So that might be in relation to "longer/further". Otherwise I too am worried it would be tied to active equipment.

Its also a possibility that CCP creates a variant of scout suit, much like the old A and B series suits wherein the A series has more scan range and can't cloak were as B series can cloak and has lower profiles.

I am also having a hard time with this build. I came in to 1.6 with a paltry 0.70 kdr, and with some work built it up to a slightly less paltry 0.74 by ending the last week or two +1 and a few times + 2 and near the top of the boards many times.

So far, I am usually in the 0.4 and 0.3 range all of a sudden

I don't know if I am just a really horrible shot, and the toned down AA on my SMG is causing the issues, in combination with the RR and CR which are able to kill me before I can get in close. It could be the hit detection problems that others have seemed to notice, and which I have thought I noticed, but couldn't be sure.

Then you add in the fix to explosives radius and damage. I can't tell if the odds have just been stacked against me due to the hit detection and new weapons, or if my recent success was due to unwitting inflation by previously broken mechanics.

I am one lost scout...

Sounds like chrome all over again

It's kind of nice being on the down-low..... there are plenty of other official scout feedback, suggestion and 'fix scout' threads, (made by actual scouts) that I personally like our home in the shadows.

Here we can drink, throw knives, have bar fights and generally misbehave and be a merry band of rogues....

@Haerr, I did some number crunching on biotics and for anything less than 700m it's pretty much always better to run 2x complex kin cats rather than 1 kin cat 1 card reg.

I have an adv gal suit with 2 complex code breakers that I use often but it's very flimsy and has no armor regen - I can only run it with 2 basic damage mods, a std pistol and advanced SMG, flux and basic uplink. It is a very fun suit to use - always avoid combat when possible and run in for hacks in about 3 - 4 seconds and then get out of there ASAP. With that sort of tactic, it may also be good to run REs instead and booby trap the hacks for when you are retreating.

Lies! Today I killed 2 tanks, Since Tuesday I have killed 7 tanks. no AV not even flux and I killed them a Plasma Cannon. Nothing else, and a few of them I didn't have any help.

*raises glass*
To scouts everywhere:

May we forever live in infamy
And find our way into the darkness
no matter how difficult the road

To persist through all obstructions
regardless the odds
To bring fear and paranoia to mercs everywhere
when we alight upon the fields of war

To cut through shield and armor
with the sharpest of blades and wit
To pierce through iron and gold
with high caliber rounds from the shadows

To forever be inspired by our fallen brothers
who bring deviousness far and wide in other lands
Always memorialized and remembered
hung upon our hallowed walls

*takes swig*

Thanks for building our most inspired hang-out!

And hopefully this will be corrected or at east start to be addressed early in the new year.

You'd hope that enough has already been done in prep for the overall dropsuit changes that fixing tank spam will be possible within the same breath - afterall, codelock is likely already happened or at least extremely imminent.

My invoiced concern, is that CCP Remnants statement also leaves me with an impression that our stealth bonus will be replaced with a fitting cost bonusGǪ.

Edit:
How do you folks feel about the loss of 5% profile/level Role bonus for improved fitting cost on Cloaks?

I like how a cloak is scary for balance, but a medium suit with 5H and 4L slots along with 3 EQ slots and CPU/PG for days was never a concern.

I mean, give me a ******* break with this introduce a cloak as nerfed as possible boolshit.

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Well. This is awkward.

I'm still a scout.....

Personally I'd rather go full glass cannon and switch your shields for damage mods but that's just me.

I donGÇÖt think Scout Suits will lose their existing bonuses. I think they will get an additional role bonus.

Having a lot of fun with this fit atm:

Gallente Scout, G/1 Series:

RS-90 Combat Rifle

Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender

Complex Range Amplifier
Complex Range Amplifier

Compact Nanohive

Cloaks are going to be equipment, so you won't be able to cloak whilst shooting or even aiming (because you'll have to put the cloak away to take out your weapon, much like the active scanner). Can't see it being much use for snipers really, except for moving between camps, I guess.

I don't visit the forums much, but since I'm here I'd like to pay my respects to the registry. Also, thanks to Shotty for trying to raise awareness on scoutly issues.

My main wears a scout suit 100% of the time. I played Dust briefly in beta, then came back to it this September. I foolishly thought the scout suit had some inherent stealth value (besides tiny dB differences) and, as I always like stealth play, I invested in it as my only suit (including making all profile skills level 3).

Since learning firsthand of how weak the light suit is, I've been tempted to go medium; I have gone basic medium on my alts, but my main is still a pure scout wearer. That said, I never submitted my name to the registry in part because I wanted my main to be anonymous; but more importantly I don't play as a true scout. I snipe. So while technically being a scout, and being vulnerable to instant death (like two-shot tac-sniper deaths), I don't consider myself a proper scout and therefore am not worthy of being on the board.

I do, however, wish to salute those who wear the light; those about to die (often).

Looks like the JJ jeep qq has started...

The damage tracking was incorrect so we fixed that. We excluded equipment so only vehicles and dropsuits count. We fixed collision damage going crazy and booting people, so crushing someone with a dropship is no longer an instant kick.

I think we have to fix tank spam ourselves
I say we just kill them all

Good point.

For the record, I based my statement on the impression I have, that "most scouts" use one or more of
(pistols, knives, SMG)
on a regular basis
Yes, obviously there are shotgun users ;) but "they" tend to be quite happy with SMG on the whole as well. You'd only be stuck without shotgun when you wanted cloak.
ANd I know you like pistol almost as well ;D

mollerz dodged the question, so I dont expect a reasonable answer from him. But I'd be curious if you or other scouts were asked by CCP, "would you rather have cloak stuck in EQ slot, or light weapon slot" (and those were the ONLY choices, no finesse of any kind), which you would prefer.

I'd be interested in seeing this as a proper poll. Thing is, I'm not sure the best way to run it. Putting it in the general forum would probably get flooded by annoying medium-suiter spam.

How does the Plasma Canon fair against Vehicles?

3 REs on the back of a tank. They can't see you. You have to flank around. Maybe the pro REs will see some use.

What do most scouts do when they run out of ammo in an Ambush and no one has nanohives + there are no supply depots?

* Fixed minor error that may occur with the matchmaking system calculations.
* Fixed Amarr Loyalty Points Store item stats.
* Lowered rate of fire of missile installations.

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1631083#post1631083
Date/Time: Downtime this morning.

So how's everyone liking the new rifles?
I still find myself turning back to my Scrambler.

how much ordinance was your jeep carrying?

Mlt sica

2 Railgun dmg mods.
Mlt Railgun
1 120 armor plate
1 armor hardener
All Mlt level no skills

This DESTROYS all tanks. It's my go to av fitting

I recall this once enemy tank is dead.... Because tanks are too OP for me to use..

HAV kills in FW are now reasonably easier with just RE and a FluxGǪ Toss 3 REs on and then Flux, it drops shields (or makes a huge dent to Shield tanks) and the REs finish the job with no need to detonate.
Have had luck taking down heavily armoured tanks this way.

1.5/1.6 changed it. Flux used to just deactivate/destroy them. Now they set them off. when this change was made it took me like 3/4 matches to catch on.

Do you get a penalty if you blow up your own REs with weapon fire if, for example, you attempted to place on a tank, but miss?

Shotty, you made a cameo ! XD
I'm thinky it was a failed JihadJeep.
The Tank Goes Boom

If you Wer'nt A noob with onLy 150 likes I wuld think u mAke centz but obviously u don;t know what you are talking aboot.
You almost sound like someone though

And going for headshots with spread weapon is ridiculous. Center mass should always be a shotgunner's target and encouraging otherwise with bad mechanics is silly.

I dont troll. What part of my post do you not take seriously?

For the benefit of general shotgunnerry, how about getting specific?

Here is a question for you: What do you think the average profile is for the Med frames in the community?

I am trying to figure out how to skill into the profile precision and range areas. As a minja, losing the omniscient installations really hurt my awareness. And there is no point in me increasing my range if my precision is too high to pick up most medium frames. I realize I am shooting the proverbial swarm launcher at a tank with hardeners activated, but I just though someone might have an educated guess on this.

Thanks!

Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?

I just dont want people to think I gave up

... the thread is no longer a constructive idea/debate hub

In going back to read the specific thread referenced, I find it ironic, that at the core of Scout Reg's remarks along the lines of
"(I think the shotgun is underpowered, but I wont objectively discuss both sides of the issue)",
and mollerz's now typical asshattery of "(I dont have anything constructive to say, so I'll just attack someone on a personal level)"...

also: Casspia

Toss a scanner on that puppy and you are like a scout with a giant red jar!

What a joke. Hire someone who knows how to depress the R3 button please

So record ur gameplays, also have a cam focused on your hands as your playing. PictureInPicture that on a vid for best response on when it happens? lol Seems like that'd be way too much of a hassel. I don't really recall the bug happening to be, not saying it hasn't because it probably has lol If it ever does and i'm paying attention I'll post it up.

I don't run kinCats and it [slowed sprint] still happens to me at least once every couple of hours, I can't replicate it on demand though

1) If someone sees you ... you will appear on their radar for as long as she/ he keeps you in their sights.
2) If you hide behind a building or wall, you will still be a little red blip on their screen.
3) Eventually, your blip will disappear if you continue to hide and stay out of their sights.
4) How long this takes depends on how low your profile is relative to their profile scan.

Pretty sure vehicle scans don't actually give you a notification of being scanned. Vehicle scans are more pulse related...so you would see a scan attempt every couple seconds.

As far as LOS and staying on radar. I've never seen much of a difference between profile and time on radar. If your are in LOS you show up regardless of profile and it seems even if enemy are behind a wall as long as keep their chevron highlighted the dot won't leave.

LOS also seems to do with your weapons absolute ranges too...which is silly. Cause that puts shotguns/pistols/knives at a huge disadvantage.

Is Vicious Li-Moody an alt of Cyrius?

He's a very annoying Condor. I hate him, forever.

Hey, update on this, after running various tests on the word "Kill" in the title, I can now confirm that they are lowercase L's, not uppercase i's.

This is infact a Killboard, not a kiiiboard.

Just do you know, I blame you and Moody for the current state of tanks ;P

You had to kill one with shotgunsGǪ
Walmart tanks
CCP "OH crap they are Walmart tanks, even scouts can kill them BUFF TANKS"

All your fault

I am thinking about a creating a thread about what I think is a major imbalance in terms of the ehp range of suits in the game (as in the range is too large). I want to support it with lots of maths, facts and figures from fitting tools etc.

Since I didn't want to wander the labyrinth that is the forum search tool, off the top of your head, has this been done before or would this be something that could be of some benefit?

Additionally, I'm considering attempting a scout threadnaught but I wouldn't dare do it without the assistance of you fine fellows in here. Would you folks be willing to assist me if I were to make a lengthy 'buff scouts' thread?

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1) Any implementation of cloaks will have some sort of simplification of tactics, how much is acceptable? (would would cloaks allow you to do and what limitations would cloaks have)

2) Thoughts on scouts becoming most effective as a forward slayer charging cloak unit? (the potential lowest common denominator to result from the cloak)

3) Should there be an offensive trade off from running cloaks? Why / Why not?

Following that all the way back to
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/

I'd say the only thing coming for scouts in 1.8, is cloaks.
except it isnt specifically for scouts, and you'll have to give up your equipment slot for it!!!

Kneepads FTW!!!

lol guys, I just made that number up.

.
How about a check-in thread?

Profile Dampening - do Lv5 scouts need higher than Lv2?

I thought it was worked out Lv2 with basic mod beat all but Focused.
- Saw a thread stating Lv3 is needed

Would just like to know. Even though I dont have much to spend SP on I still like to invest the least possible needed in a skill.

with pampening 5, scout ops 2 you need a complex dampener. with scout ops 5 and dampening 2 you need an enhanced dampener...which means you can't use it without AUR.

no, just the usual.


the brighter/dimer is a very, very rare edge case. I described it in one of my detailed writeups months ago when Iwas doing research on field of vision and range for the FOV lightup effect.

From what I can remember, objects can appear dimmed out on your radar, when they are just BARELY on the edge of your range. We're talking about 1m distance from maximum range, if I recall.
But if you highlight them by loking at them, they brighten up, and stay bright for 2 seconds after you arent looking at them any more.

I'm maxed on Gallente scout and dampening and notice a difference in the enemy's ability to detect me between using no dampener, basic dampener, and complex dampener.

I'm not sure that it has to do with a chevron not appearing overhead when I'm LOS'd or my name not showing up when targeted in the enemy reticle, but my experience over a hundred matches is that a complex dampener results in enemies looking at me and then LOOKING AWAY more often than not. This experience includes proto-clad members of TP, OH, AH, FA, etc...but I still appear to duvolle focused scanners.

it's sad enough that you didnt read my post carefully.. but shouldnt you at least read what is in *your own* post carefully?

Be a man. Instead of throwing around catty words, take 5 minutes, and duplicate the research yourself.
Then man up, give me a decent apology, and treat my posts with a better reguard in the future.

That dramatization you tossed about just now on my shotgun posts, where in reality, I posted details on *specific findings* of mine, was really uncalled for too.
It was an inaccurate portrayal of my posts. But given your reputation, other people will treat it as accurate. That makes it doubly unfair.

... that shotgun is a very powerful weapon as-is.

mollerz, bad scout. bad. *bops with newspaper* Gallente Scouts do not use Active Scanners *wags finger.*

But not only is the Active Scanner less fun than other EQ, it inhibits some of the most enjoyable gameplay. Nothing is more exhilarating than dodging multiple enemies' FOVs by a hair's breadth to set up yourself to take each one down individually. This is much, much harder to do if you they know you are there and you have to stop and scan every so often.

How about sp investment ... compared to assault, logi, heavy

Yup. You gotta get into their head.

"They should know that he is "somewhere around here", just not exactly where." is a perfect summation of this.

If they are searching you, they become easy to predict. Most will take their corners wide. There are certain area's they search first. Common RE locations they check.

You learn to prey on their predictability.

For example, set up RE'S at the top of stairs. They can't check it until it's too late.

Camp a corner, and kill target #1. Fall back. The next guy will take the corner wide, so don't even bother getting him. Terminate the body and disappear. Keep tabs on him. He will check around, and then most likely go back the way he came. Be there ready with a surprise

This becomes harder and harder to do when there are more people around. Groups of 3+ are the hardest to whittle down, as you will constantly have to think of new tactics (those buggers learn quickly). If you know they are rez happy, camp the body of the first target. Be ready with a grenade or RE.

Remember, you must ALWAYS be the hunter. A scout must tweak his circumstances to put him in the hunting position, for this is where he has the advantage. You can only run so far, so if you must run don't have escape being the only idea (unless there is a horde chasing you). Set traps, and draw out the engagement. This is why scouts love city maps, as it gives them places with multiple objectives and cover and concealment to wreak massive havoc.

I was using the Breach, found it to work.
Would like input from you folks though?
What's your experiences with the SG and variantsGǪ Can a normal SG take a heavy/killer bee down quick enough?

1) Wow. That's a nice set of data you got there.
2) So does this mean that the lower tier shotguns have more spread than the higher tier?
3) Also, you tested this with maxed out skills right?

FWIW- I was running behind a heavy A-1 with 1200HP.

Shot him 4 times in the back with a K5 specialist and he turned around and blasted me in one second. he had a few hundred armor left.

I have LV5 shotty too.

Guess what weapon I am done with.

Hehe.. well, actually I was thinking F this knives are waaaay better. I would have cut him like a stinky cheese block at a google party and moved on by the time I was done with the first shotgun blast.

Using a rifle in conjunction with knives is a very nice set up.

I just have to say- no graphs, science, or buts about it. The shotgun is so inferior to knives, why bother? If you can get in that range you may as well.

@ IWS
I think the heavy bonuses are fine. They need to be "beefy". I like the dmg resistance bonuses. I want them to be walking tanks and need coordination to take down. Blast dmg reduction also good because they can't "move" away from explosions. BUT......they need their turn speed capped again. They shouldn't be ballerinas.

Yep, we're ******.

Great experiment, and data. it does leave me wondering one thing, however.

From what I recall, 100% efficiency on many(most?) shotguns is 0-4.9m. So when you say "5m", do you literally mean 5m, or do you mean "0 < 5m" ?

In other words, if someone is firing at 4m, can they expect full 100% efficiency, presuming they are properly on target?

but we NEED to know.

It's like I am the owl.

- The cloak field is a piece of equipment.
- When selected the cortex is raised and you press fire to activate it.
- Once activated, it goes away and your weapon is raised. You can switch to other weapons/equipment while cloaked.
- You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it.
- Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire.
- Once deactivated or it runs out it will start to recharge.
- Firing a weapon while cloaked will rapidly deplete the cloak field (a single shot from a sniper rifle, for instance, will decloak you)
- You can only fit one cloak field at a time.

Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks.
Period.

I'm gonna be doing Shinobi. I also wanted to create a small "Challenge" for us scouts in scouts united.
...
Reserved the thread.

I bring to you some terrible number thoeries https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1708873#post1708873

Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg ><

I just like the fact that Remnant is replying to everything. Also, I like these changes. I might hurt our ability to slay (losing a sidearm), but this might mean that they are actually giving us a ROLE. And that seems to be very stealth based and equipment based. Minmatar is the exception, but I'm fine with only having one equip. Gimme a cloak, and I'll be happy.

Just my take on this.

I've been using the CR lately and feeling this, it's extremely effective, but it can get boring really quick and I end up doing stupid **** to try and get enjoyment out of it.

/me had nothing to do with the newest round of info.

How exactly does CCP expect me to return the hugs if they cut off one of my arms in the process of said hugs.

Cough XD

A good sniper should never be seen, he should never let anyone near him, so no, he doesn't need a sidearm.

And also, when a scout can often be #1 in things like faction warfare, and sometimes other modes, we are by definition NOT "underperforming". we are "overperforming".

When are you going to be ready to take your head out of ... the sand... , and look at reality?
They're NOT going to give us exactly what we'd like.

If you dont come up with a counter-proposal that fits CCP's ideas of balance, it will be ignored by them.

So, do you want to waste your time complaining uselessly, or do you want to collaborate on a proposal that actually has some chance of being accepted by them?!

would you trade a grenade slot instead? (time sensitive question)

I think at this point I'd rather just let CCP keep scouts the way they are... Pretty sad lol

Something i just posted on the "To all scouts" thread,
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1719551#post1719551




So, something to consider.

If nothing else, there is at least one problem. There are essentially 5 different groups all expecting the scout class to be the suit for their playstyle (EWar users, specialist weapon users, knifer, dual sidearm users, and snipers). That is more than one class can reasonably support. If it does, you either have an overpowered suit or we get the half-hearted approach to all those roles like we have now.

Meaning, "the logi would rule all"?
After all, ,if logi is better than scout now...
logi+cloak will still be better than scout+cloak.

Which also implies, you guys are fighting the wrong fight.
you could "win" the scout suit battle, but still lose overall, "Because logi".

Seems like the battle you should really be focusing on, is "cloak for scouts only".

Then this battle is also lost.


1. based on prior battle, the chance of winning is slim to none
2. even if you do win, you still lose. Because Logi.
About the best you can hope for, is that CCP offiicially adopts scout suits, to be "logi light". Since they only love logi.

If you accept that to be true, then losing sidearm to gain EQ slot, may be a long-term win, since it will basically be "logi light" in all but name.
Anything else, and scout suits will continue to be the metaphorical beaten redheaded stepchild.

I ran SG and SMG in chromosome and through 1.6, but then I reached 20,000 kills and decided to change to CR. A week ago I put SP into NK and I've learned that:

CR > SMG
NK > SG

If I'm already 4m away, I can close the extra couple meters in a split second. NK swing arc connects WAY more reliably than SG circle reticle. And, the best part, NK has more dps.

So basically I upgraded to better weaponry in 1.7 and didn't have to change my playstyle much at all.

Just sayin'

So what are some nova knifer fits you guys have run using gallente scouts (they are the only scout suits I have unlocked even with my 22 mill sp, 18 mill in dropsuit upgrades for the win.)

I'd prefer having both a std and advanced fit just depending on my mood. I also only invested into the adv NK (I'm trying to save up for 1.8....)

Emphasis on scan range and speed? OR buffer and speed? Shield extenders or sidearm damage mods?

All this talk about NK's make me curious and I might end up trying them out, however I won't do as the full Scout squad that so desperately tried to slice me, that they ended up cuddling with the projectiles of my CR.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136328&find=unread

This is my semi-final post in regards to Scout bonuses, as determined by community input. If you guys read it and tell me what you think, Id appreciate it!

No, Scout Registry, The Gallente suit need a bonus to precision, it is too low right now ad has no high slots to stack the mods. . . unless the scout hugs include bringing the Scout back to its Chromosome level with 6 slots at proto.

We can't forget that assaults are getting bonuses to help them assault (though we aren't sure what those bonuses are) and the heavies are going to be monsters now.

And there is still that Gal Logi bonus to worry about.

So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights?

@All
If everyone created a forum posting alt and put them in a scout corp we would have access to our own little private forum to share builds, guides and tactics. Every time I log on to the forums this thread has added a few pages at the very least and it is taking longer and longer to keep up with what is being said in here.

@Shotty, as for IWS and the title, it's in favor for me(if my vote counts).

I'm noticing a distinct lack of Barber Shop references.

I think this will be great.

The moment you open up the folders, ask people to copy/paste old posts into the new forums to spike activity.

Also, can we moderate our own forums? Would help with organization if we had the CEO and a few directors be able to move posts between the threads to clean up. You know a newberry or two will post in the wrong section eventually.

By the way, has this corp been set up already?
If so, can I get the name so I can put a charecter in it tomorrow?

Looks excellent. Maybe include a 'Tradecraft: Maps' and a 'Tradecraft: Movement and mobility' sections?