Was just checking out the new hideoutGǪ looks good, not enough blood on the floor but we'll fix that soon enough

You need to apply with an alt to 'Nos Nothi'. It's the corp forums there, you won't be able to see them unless you're in that corp.

Also consider we are the slowest scout and therefore the easiest to hit in combat. That's a significant factor.

That sounds amazing actually.

I'll stick with my burst sprinting though. I don't jump too much in combat.

SCP has a fairly low ammo reserve, correct?

What about the Amarr scout getting a bonus to their maximum ammo capacity to laser sidearms (in case CCP ever decides to add a laser smg or something)?

The Standard Cloak alone takes up more than 1/3 of my PG on my Prototype Logi.

You guys get your shinobi swag yet? I havnt

doable yes,if it's smart or not is is another question

Meh. I'd rather see them get a slot count nerf. Then they can have all the cpu/pg they want.

"support" roles do not need that many slots. Only frontline types do.

Your willingness to give up your only 2 low slots doesn't account for every scout in the game. Allow me to give you a slap in the face to snap you out of whatever state you are in. Requiring a scout to use 2 dampeners full time is a BAD decision.

@ Profile vs Precision
Let's see how the dice fall before we start tweaking things.

I think it is bad for balance if a scout can go long periods of time being essentially undetectable so there should be one method of reliably detecting a super-damped, invisible scout. However, to prohibit this one method from being spammed and making scouts irrelevant, it needs to have incredibly stringent conditions that vastly limit its versatility. In other words, I think the focused should be unbeatable (at the least when held by a gal logi). If its current 1.8 downsides (high pg usage, 5 sec scan visibility, 40 sec cooldown) aren't enough to prevent it from being constantly used, the scanner could be further nerfed.

As for the rest of the proto scanners, I think we should be able to beat all of them with just a single damp (cmp damp for a gal logi proto scanner, a bsc for a normal proto scanner, and lvl5 gal scouts innately avoiding them). This would also allow scouts to use the cloak in place of dampeners (with the dampening effect being useless to a lvl5 gal scout).

If I behave like a Scout will you overlook my Sentinel suit and let me join your club?

But seriously, I am constantly amazed how many Medium Frame suits just let me sneak up behind them. I have been having a surprising amount of success flanking and sneaking behind enemy lines in my Dren Sentinel with one Kinetic Catalyser.

I also wanted to comment in here that since the HMG fix Scouts seem to be back in their rightful place as the counter to heavies. With the HMG working properly Scouts with their greater speed and smaller hit box are a lot harder to hit than medium frame suits. Killing an Assault suit fills me with satisfaction, killing a scout fills me with relief. You guys scare me.

CardRegs:
I use cardregs on my BPO and Advanced Uplink, AV and Sniper loadouts.
Also run an enhanced cardreg with 2 complex kincats on a Proto knifing loadout.
Stamina is Huge. Green pills give you more of it. I use them regularly.

I really like Galjin and Caljin as the abbreviation for Gallente and Caldari Scout.

I'd prefer my spectacular, well performing, Gallente Scout to not be associated with fat, lazy slobs and illicit drugs.

A dev somewhere said they were thinking of a 20% reduction to light weapons. People responded that it should be limited to the 4 rifles, not AV and Alpha weapons

Lets just start out with the Duvolle AR.
fire interval: 0.08 seconds; Damage: 37.4; Magazine Size: 60

My Gallente Scout is running 1 complex shield extender and 4 complex plates. That's 159.6 shields and 756 armor.
So my EHP is 975.24 vs a Gallente Blaster. It'll take 27 bullets to kill me if he has 0 proficiency and no damage mods.

That's a minimum time of 2.08 seconds from the first bullet.

hypothetical 1.8 stats. add another complex shield and take 20% damage from the guy. 1040.58 EHP against the hybrid - blaster which now does 29.92.

Now it takes 35 shots to kill me, which will be 2.72 seconds.

Master Smurf, you seriously think and additional 0.64 seconds is overkill? On a maxed HP suit that gained an extra complex shield extender?
Or did you just see a value and think that it sounded high?

Off Topic :-)

Proposing to the girlfriend in a couple hours.
Closed on our first house this morning.
Ordering takeout Chinese for dinner in the new place.
I've hidden an engagement ring inside a Fortune Cookie.
She has no clue whatsoever :-)

Wish me luck!

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Rigging Fortune Cookie:
Dampen a papertowel, wrap around fortune cookie, insert in microwave for 30 seconds.
Dough will soften. Open existing folds, insert new message (or ring), reform folds.
Be fast. It starts to harden within 15 or so seconds once removed from microwave.

I'm 22. Just graduated from college in May with a Bachelor's of Computer Engineering. Started working for a defense contractor in August (security clearances take forever to get ).

This feels like a moment when I should be thanking you
But yeah, no problem, it'd be nice to have the feedback.

Been trying to come up with some way for scouts to be able to catch up to those annoying speedy tanks when they zoom away from you trying to get REs on them and think there should be some kind of turbo boost scout equipment. It should fit like a cloak (massive cost, scout reductions) and be a short active module that blasts you forward at 20-30m/s for 5-10 seconds depending on variant and skill level. Maybe even make an airborne variant that you can take to the skies with to get atop annoying dropship only places?

Reckon this could be awesome. It wouldn't be like having 50 kin cats that would break animations; it would have its own animation that could look something like a horizontal inertial dampener. It could have the same kinda vroom noise to it too. Whaddya'll think?

Don't forget that Gal Logi proto scanners will have a precision of 21db (assuming their bonus hasn't changed since the Sisi leak).

Because our base scan precision is still 45 after 1.8, a 25% reduction won't get it that low. The cal scout won't really have to worry about mediums, but they are going to have to devote some slots if they want to hunt scouts.

since when has there been a SMG nerf!!??

The magsec already outdoes it in every way, i don't see why they want to nerf it now tooGǪ..

Put a basic reactive plate on your min. Your survivability jumps by 70%. Having just over 100 armour makes running away easier

Playing a heavy suit sucks so bad. :/

I'm running this for the event:
'Templar' Sentinel A-I
Complex Armor Repairer
Complex Armor Plate
Grenade
Republic HMG
SMG
Complex Heavy Damage Modifer

Getting gibbed by combat rifles just as quickly as I do in scout suits. Guess I'm lagging pretty bad...

Hmm.. well, let me walk you through the logic. If something is a mistake in the first place, then no shark was jumped. To say this thread was derailed off topic is to say this game had proper development direction, and it hasn't. The thread never got derailed. It was in stasis, the community just waiting. Once 1.8 drops this thread will resume, for the most part.


CCP Frame's decision to put it in the locker room was arbitrary, and based on the recent content which could go no where save where it went because it has been over a year since scouts were changed. You can only discuss the same **** so much. The whole decision to move it is like a parable for the state of the game that CCP Frame ironically missed. Once 1.8 drops, this thread will take off on the new content.. in the locker room? Wut? I know that nothing involved with dust is proactive.. I mean, god forbid. But lets turn a new leaf, correct the mistake, and be proactive. Plus- wtf. this is the best aspect out of all of the dust community via the forums. Best fuc K that up too? no no no. Let;s call it for the mistake it was, and correct it.

I don't exactly care for your take on it. You don't care for my petition.

Move along brainy smurf, and I'll respectfully ignore you back.

Quick question.

Do scouts see Light Frame users as "true scouts?"

Dan Ryan

Guys, I just realised, we have the most liked thread on these forums as far as I can tell.

Anyone else starting to burn out

this last week has been particularly annoying I guess with the comms messed up possibly due to DDoS attack and the lag over the weekend

but I have also noticed it amongst the people I play with, some of them haven't even been on for more then a week and these are the guys that were playing daily

we are tending to back out of maps that we don't like

any ideas on how to make it entertaining for 3 or 4 weeks till 1.8 drops

How was what she said here not saying it to their face?

It's on the forums.

IT'S ALWAYS IN THEIR FACE

Also: On break from dust due to College and Work. I play Tales of Symphonia when I got the time cause I can stop playing it at the drop of a hat.

Actually Prepping for my chem lab right now. DANG FORUMS

I'll add that I think any non-caldari scout should be able to scan any undampened non-gallente scout with a single complex precision enhancer - that this is not the case means something needs to be done. Nobody should have to dedicate 2 mod slots to be able to counter passive skill buffs on someone wearing the same suit.

Also anyone else think the caldari and matari scouts look similar in some places?

Well I'm definitely going to take SP out of the Minnie Logi, but I don't know about the Sp in Minnie assault, I think I want a reserve suit.
Here is what I've been thinking to do:
Put them back in Minnie Assault.
Take out and put them in Galsault.
Take out and put into a Commando, maybe Gal or Minnie.
Take out and reinvest into Scout skills.
What d'ya think?

I read some posts that people are planning on using cloak with Commando.
Imagine a cloaked Cal commando with RR and MSMG.
Although I think ScR and RR would be a more lethal combination.

Haven't seen any Dev replies about Shotgun keeping the increase of RoF proficiency skill.
I only have Op 4 on both characters, so will wait for reply or release.

3M SP this Thursday!
Hopefully the script is better than the Mauler rewards script.. haha

Anybody know how the Ion Pistol will work? It seems to have sick alpha. Does it overheat after one charge shot, making you incapable of switching weapon?

does anyone think that this fit should work and that module costs need to be adjusted?

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/1583

i run scanners for my squad and they run all the other logi gear when i play with my regular squad

i generally don't run with FoTMers

Drop it.

Stamina is no longer a problem.

AT ALL

I think the CPU/PG is way imbalanced. I even added a basic PG enhancer, and I have loads of CPU to spare but still no PG

It forced me to have to give up my ScR for an ADV cloak. I didn't have enough time to play around with it because I wanted to get one game in before work, just because I HAD to hear what everyone is talking about.

But my CR is like that girl you are dating, which you really like, only to see the ScR, which makes you realize the girl you were dating really wasn't all that great, and you have no qualms about dumping her for the ScR.

I can't go back to the CR... I just can't.

Random thought.

When Dust finally makes the move to PS4, how do you think the control layout will change between the DS3 and DS4? We lose the select button which is currently used to access chat options and we also gain the touchpad/button thing.

Will they make the easy switch and use the touchpad to access chat options? Or will they attempt to use the touchpad to replace the weapon wheel?

30s is good in certain situations. Nowhere enough time on big maps. When you are hiding from a squad, and you are ticking down from 30s or less.. it is not much time.

You severely contract it's tactical advantages and make it useful for one or two situations versus the broad range of situations the ADV/PRO cloak is useful for now. The 30s timer is what makes the basic cloak garbage.

10.37 meters a second on adv

So... I asked ccp for a respect and they gave it to me what should I be

I run Scrambler on my Minmatar suits -yeah, highest fitting cost weapon on lowest fitting suit- I love it.
You plink people from far away or get in behind them and stab them. Combat Rifle is more effective, fitting wise and DPS, but it's a very rewarding feeling and a fun play style.

You must not have engineering and Electronics to 5 yet. I really don't have a problem with fitting the Min-Scout unless I'm putting 2 or 3 kincats on it.

I don't find energizers worth the CPU to fit on a scout. Better off with more buffer. Secondly, scouts have a pretty high recharge rate, most of the time refilling 1/2 to 1/4 each pulse. Filling it another 10hp/s isn't worth it IMO. Stacking two energizers (if you can even fit them) might be nice if you could couple with regulators, but then again, you are likely to just instantly die and never take advantage of recharge.

Enh regulators I think give the best bang for buck.

Cal sentinals are the best frames from energizers and regulators as they already have a huge buffer and low delay rate. I always fit with percentages in mind. Add a cSE to heavy and you add 10% hp, but add a cSE to a scout and you add 40%.

The reason there is so much armor tanking is because TTK is still too low. Rifles need another pass at damage reduction before the DUST 514 community start whining about armor plates and high HP builds.

I've decided I'm going to start running proto scanners and eventually skill up a gal logi so I can show all these whiney scrubs that the scanner IS STILL USEFUL. Need MOAR SPs!

Secondary post as this is about cloak. But if things like flux start to drain cloak, along with weapons. I see a lot fewer people running them. Cloaks make my life a little easier, but if they get to be "more trouble", I will gladly use that second equipment slot for something that has more tangible uses.

Currently I only use cloak for its damp bonus and hacking nonobjective points.

Did some testing of the jump on the Amarr suit.
It can get everywhere that my Gal scout can get, but more easily. Not because it jumps better, but because I can get to where I need to be with enough Stamina to make the jumps.
For example the rail-beam-beam-roof jump in the Facility, is done way quicker with the Amarr than the Gal, due to having a lot more stamina on arrival, and recovery between jumps. Also they can clear a few of my long jump gaps just as easily as the Spook, not sure if I land any further but they are not noticeably shorter on the jump.

This ^

When scouts were fuctard broken, the whole time everyone told us scouts- including IWS, that just wait. The cloaks are coming. It will help scouts immensely, etc etc.

Well, we got basically and more of what we asked to repair scouts. We got the cloak. We got what we asked for and expected. Now to see people saunter in and try to weaken/nerf it.. Do you guys even realize how lame you sound? I know maybe a couple scouts who are so good and jacked they are pretty much immortal.. but the vast amount of players are not. Scouts still die. I watch "bad ass scouts" die with cloaks on and armor tanked etc.

There are actual pressing issues to fix. Frankly, this nerf talk is ******* dumb as ****, and it detracts from the real issues like stun locking, sprint bug, keyboard strafing, glitches, etc.

I get all that. What I don't get is that they haven't fully committed to Legion, and I would hate for people, especially those who are at this point only on consoles, to get swindled into getting a PC in order to play Legion, then have Legion canned too.

They did it with Dust.

They did it with WOD.

There is not guarantee they won't do it with Legion.

Sounds like a risky investment to me.

FF14, Destiny,the Division.
All have/will have PVP. none of the PVP will be balanced because it is an extra added on to cater to fans.

Lore doesn't work that way, as far as I know. Gallente self repair, Amarr slap plates on
I mean, I like the rep, but I could live without.

Lol

This one is for Ghost
My Photon SG is better than most, Why you ask?

I am commenting because I cannot have this thread below the Ladyboy thread. I just can't.

Also, are we letting the Shotty siting slide, or will there be discussion? Is this the second coming?

Zns are good for rookie n00bs who can only kill stationary unaware prey.

So is the precision nerfed on the callie? I am so confused lol. Pretty lame if radius was nerfed with no real disucssion but taken up just because a couple people suggested it.....much like sidearm only scouts. Just cause its suggested doesn't mean its smart.

Llast, felt like 100% to me

I do not agree with swapping logi and assault slot counts.
The whole point of a logi is that it is more versatile, as well as the equipment.
Perhaps all that needs doing to assaults is a slight hp buff.

I really don't think there is much between assaults and other suits. The changes don't need to be drastic.

Edit: apart from Amarr assaults, having a slot less just doesn't work, even with the extra pg/CPU.

Observation: People seem to be bad at noticing when people just behind them start dropping.

@ Everyone

It appears that speed-tanked Scout rotates at exactly the same speed as an max-armored Heavy. Does anyone have reason to believe that this observation is wrong?

PS: I know I'm late to the party on all this stuff ... I've quite literally never run a Heavy Suit :-)

It was more based on muscle memory. All the frames had different turn speeds. Not just heavy. I would swap between all three frames in chrome and it was very frustrating to swap. Thats the only issue I see with changing the speed caps. Its really difficult to relearn how to aim. Go from 100 sensitivity down to 20 in a single game and notice how difficult it gets.

Having a single frame turn slower like a heavy probably wouldnt be too bad as long as dispersion was increased on the HMG. ITs still way too accurate. You don't need fine aiming if you have an HMG with decent dispersion as well as slow turn speed. You don't need to be accurate, aka have fine turning like you would with a rifle. Would make heavys utilize their own weapons more as well. Could be beneficial overall.

Need an alternate bonus for Gal which meets the following criteria:

(1) will not be weaponry related
(2) will not be armor or armor repair related
(3) will not be cloak related
(4) will augment a low slot module
(5) will be sufficient to incentivize not running plates

Go!

Also, I think "the ability to see" is more valuable than "the ability to be unseen".
While the latter is favorable when solo, the former is often multiplied by a factor of 6.

Considering a change to the Polish Proposal ...

Minja Poll (which do you prefer):
* 8% fitting reduction to Biotics
* 5% efficacy to Biotics


Update: \o/

@ Iggy
Thanks for the clarification. I suspect our difference of opinion is based in differing expectations of Rattati. You very well may be right in that we get only one shot to fix the Minja; if history is any indicator, then you're likely correct. By contrast, I suspect that Rattati's approach is iterative. Seems to me he's tackling the big problems first, distributing bandaids where needed and will follow up with finetuning later. Its impossible to know which perspective is right. Time will tell. o7

Buffing HP would also work. I just feel it would start to overlap with commandos (more than they already do). Also it doesn't quite feel as interesting as giving assaults good regen, since this is a stat that feels suited to assaults as well as scouts.

I don't think the assault bonuses or slots should be changed or added to, I feel the key is in their base stats.

Mollerz,
If you must sh!t in the bar, would you mind doing so downstairs?

@ Minja Multi Bonus

Guys, things aren't looking good for Minja's the great oppressor (CalScout).


The Fall of the CalScout

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Precision doesn't matter if you can't accurately assess threats (positions and orientations of enemies within fine rifle range) in advance of engagement. Those of us who enjoy the hunt and appreciate a good challenge won't be running CalScout anymore. Presently, we have minja-like HP, anything can scan us, and we're slow as sh!t. We're too slow and too easily scanned to make use of high-alpha weapons (knives and shotguns), and our HP pools are insufficient to engage nearest red-dot without first getting a feel for nearby threats. When we lose the current range bonus, our survivability rates will plummet. Our usage rates will follow.

Yes, for awhile some will follow Heavies around and act like Logis. Some may even do so in PC.

Will they get kills? Not likely.
Will they earn WP? Not much.
Will they have fun? Hells naw.

CalScouts will be replaced by the much-more-useful, much-more-durable, free-orbital-every-15-min GalLogi.

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So. When it comes to compounding Minja bonuses, Void is right to put on the brakes.
When has buffing one item and kneecapping its counter ever worked?

If we've understood Rattati's intent, the three other Scouts are looking at one racial bonus a piece. You guys are f*cking crazy if you think we can pitch a multi-bonus 'Deadpool' Minmatar.

For the record, I very much like Borimir's idea for a dampening bonus to cloak. But if you guys want that bonus, you're going to have give up Knives or Hacks and then sell it to Musturd and Moody. And you're going to have to act fast (so we can pitch to Rattati before Charlie).

Honestly I'd buff the hell out of the minmatar's regen. I can live with being blind but the regen on the suit is just terrible. With the cal scout with one regulator if I escape with 1 hp in shields by the time my feet hit the ground after a bunny hop my shields are recharging. I'm back to full health in about 5 seconds. The min scout suffers from low health and terrible regen. If the cal scout is supposed to be a low ehp scanner, the min scout should be a regenerative brawler. As of right now the Cal has regen, tank, and ewar. That's why it's a near perfect suit it's got the trifecta. I'd give the Minmatar the Caldari's deplete/recharge and recharge rate.

Though the problem of low EHP and terrible regen is honestly a problem on all the Min suits.

For those complaining that they're losing the reason they specced Cal.

1. Welcome to Dust, I hope you enjoy learning about the game and how CCP is totally different and original and likes to think "outside the box".

2. I specced Gal because I wanted damps and range (what I had pre 1.8). I loved blind scout on scout warfare and mostly focused my ewar on messing up the real enemy (med/heavy) and have always had at my core the instinct that scanned=death.
Now I'm getting precision instead, yeah alright, whatever. I guess. Turns out the proposed Cal will be my next suit.
Don't hear me complaining.

3. No respecs. I'm against respecs of any kind, ever, even the one we recently got I didn't like.
Respecs are a slap in the face to those players who don't FotM chase. The 1.8 respec said to all those slayer logis "all is forgiven".
Aurum respecs would be popular but fit the very definition of pay to win.
The lack of respecs is one of the most important aspects in slowing down how quickly this game can get completely broken.

Off topic- I can't believe russian backed rebels shot down a ******* civilian airplane

motherfucking morons.

Don't think anyone has mentioned Aim Assist and the fact you can't turn it off.

That **** is annoying in PVE, and ridiculous in PVP. Makes pulling of multiple headshots with the Auto Rifle easy as hell.

God, two actresses I absolutely hate watching.... it's some combination of their acting, emotion and looks.

Summer Glau and Zhang Ziyi.

Facepalm.... every time.

1. Sounds good
2. If a plate penalty is going to be put in place, it should be universal. Assaults with Heavy EHP should be penalised.
3. Is the cloaking fixed enough for a shotgun improvement to not cause a massive outcry? Agree with it, just be prepared for a yelling match with idiots...
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. This is the only one I disagree with. I don't support changes to either strafe acceleration or backpedal.
7. Yes

So I had to log into the forums just for this:

After having played the Destiny beta for 10 days I had quite a bit of fun.
But then on Skype this morning I ran into Iron Wolf Saber saying he couldn't understand how to do simple things in Destiny.

[11:48:41 AM] Iron Wolf // Tony Adkins: ammo drops need to have different colors.

What the hell? -_- Apparently he could not fathom that those small white boxes, with shining light, were for Main weapons. He couldn't understand that those slightly larger green boxes were for Special weapons. He couldn't discern that the large purple boxes were for Heavy weapons.

He also could not understand that the glowing dodecahedrons were the items you pick up.

There was more idiocy, but you'd have to be there to get how embarrassingly bad it was.

I guess we don't have to judge too much, i understood destiny ammo only after a little.
It depends on how much he have played, if he played for less than 1 hour it's understandable.

Thing is, what got me interested was the exploration. When I got wind of the game the things I kept hearing were exploration-related.

English people are terrible at English, both spelling and grammar.

After 7 years of playing Eve, I've just learned to live with it :(

We were assassins long before there was a cloak. I'm sure you remember those days.

The role is not defined by the cloak, and in this case the proposed change would still support an assassin role, but a little more player skill and a change in tactics would be required.

The colours really work for the Minmatar. Looks pretty swaggin'

http://www.destinydb.com/

So appparently in the full game at higher levels Hunters will have a cloaked back stab ability and Warlocks will have short teleporting and squad healer abilities.

Ugh, this is a ****** way to design a game. Honestly, you don't put the fun part at the bloody end, no one is going to go and watch a movie where the first hour and a half is a pile of shite with people doing feck all and then at the end it has a decent gunfight, why do people think it's acceptable in vidya games?
/rant

It needs PG though, that is a requirement of any balance pass we make, to stop with the zero PG/CPU. It's too messy. The "it's a Minmatar Weapon so needs low PG" is also very hard to balance, since any race can use it. But I hear you, we can maybe tone it down.

Direct damage is up on the BreachGǪ and I mostly go for direct hits anyway.


@ Shotty Yeah pretty sure it is a Typo on the clipGǪ but until it hits you never know