And now for something completely different...


January events.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134803

waitWHUT????

OKay, some nice rewards for those who actually manage to stay alive long enough to kill. but..

Just need confirmation on something. Had a couple of different responses so I'm not sure of my math anymore.

Will Scout 3, dampening 4, and an enhanced dampener get me under proto scanning?

From my calculation, I end up just below 28 (27.72), but another poster calculated each value separately and then it comes to 28.152.

Trying to work out whether I should bother with my dampener for shinobi event suit, fitting space is limited

Damn Amarr Scout sounds perhaps too good. 2 H 4 L at prototype, 170 armor 60 shield, only 0.4 m/s slower than the Minmatar scout . .

Does anyone know the conversion for the ground speed? Don't know what 565 means in m/s.

So a drop of 0.25m for the Gal, and 0.05m for the Mini?

No rules Is how it should be

Githyanki, you may be the only other person that i know of to ever reference the GithyankiGǪ
o7

Yes you would Mech but you get 2 bonuses.

1 Complex Code Breaker

the equivalent of
2 Complex Side Arm Modules
1 Enhanced Side Arm modules

Howver only affecting Nova Knives.

The Amarr suit gets

1 Standard Cardiac Regulator.

Why shouldn't we have a proto one? There is no excuse for us not to get a bonus of equivalent value. If we are not the best hackers, not the best passive scanners, nor the best Dampened Scouts, we should be the best Biotics Scouts.

You guys are the best lol
did the event already end?

So far, Amarr scouts are good at walls of text and ceaseless QQ. That stamina buff sure is working!

As IgniteableAura indicated, scouts are a class that are most effective when pushing their extremes. Minmatar run kin cats to enhance their speed bonus, they don't just rely on the inherent bonus. Amarr can do the same with the cardio.

Mother of God

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137525&find=unread


http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/forums/cloaks18.jpg

\o/

Admittedly, must be annoying for my team mates, as I'm yet to actually use one to revive...

Wow, that's mega useful to know! I might actually give it a try now.

So long as there's no one to shoot and nothing to hack. Priorities and all that...

Fitting cost is high on Ferro, but that does not appear to be an issue for the Amarr scout, so the may work well. If you don't want to slow down it's a good option. A Basic Reactive is a staple on my Gal now, to avoid the slow down and give a little rep. Though with the Amarr being built the way it is fitting a higher tier Rep may be a better choice.
A lot of how to fit it really depends on your style.
If you are going full combat scout, really Marauder would have a better idea than me.

I've only just passed 13M SP, so even if we get a respec I won't be able to get one to proto unless I give up on some of my other skills. Even cashing in my Assault SP only gets me to level 4 scout

It must be an amazing to know the only viable skills build, you should patent that before word gets out.

2/10, would not read again. Just surprised you didn't ask 'do you even scout?'...

Negative. Locale TBD, Date by Locale. We intend to elope.
Here is where you guys can help :-)

Anything this side of the Atlantic is off the table.
We've done Greek Isles and United Arab Emirates already.

Must be appropriately "exotic" ... nice beach is a plus.
Currently considering Socotra Island (Yemen) and Casablanca (Morocco).

Help me find the perfect spot :-)

Anyone able to assist this poor lost soul? I don't have access to a keyboard for the next couple of days.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139609&find=unread

I have a bunch of alts. Appia may have over 35 million SP, but my next highest alt is at 11. From there the rest are under 3 million.
Because I squad up with the same people I am dragged into the same battles against the same people I normally play. I have no problem fighting them on Appia, Priestess, or any other toon. Though that first 1 million was brutal.
It's nice to have an extra 49HP on my scout or 57HP on my assault suits, But I really don't see that much of a differnce after you get your first racial suit to level 1 and an ADV weapon and a STD sidearm.

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I think many people are not grasping what I am saying. A swipe of the knives does no damage. A "charged swipe" would. It is a plasma cutter at that point, not a knife.

I'd have to agree with Oswald here. Even if the knives were to pierce tank armor, the damage inflicted would be inconsequential when compared to the entirety of the machine. It would be like stabbing a drop suit with a needle.

Word of advice.

High School can be the most fun thing of your life. I just graduated last year, and I still miss a lot of the things I did in high school (football, weights, band, the games etc.).

Don't let the opportunity pass by, if you want to even try something GO FOR IT.

I joined the football team to spite a friend who said I couldn't do it (I also wanted to try it myself to see if I could)

F--K him, I did it for 4 years straight, and I freaking loved it.

Music has stayed with me my whole life, because of how much fun I had in marching band (I miss it every day, and I hear the college band play on a daily basis)

High School goes by fast. Cherish it.

I really felt like writing this after coming back from classes today.

@AeroYassavi Good idea. Might just do that.

I wouldn't have it any other way

Just continue working on your stealth, because should I spot you I promise to put a scrambler shot right on your chest.

Moved to The Locker Room now due to offtopic discussion that derailed this thread :)

It says Minmatar explosive, so probably not. Swarms are the Caldari launcher aren't they? So just the flaylock and mass driver at this point?

they also confirmed, that militia and BPO heavy suits count!!

Wooo, 1.5k suit spammage, here I come!! :D

I've always been more of a distance fighter in games (And yes I do believe that is the technical term )
I've tried the Shotty and Noki's (Am I the only one that calls them that?) back in Chromosome but I just never got into them, don't like being close to the enemy, exception is mlt shotgun on a heavy suit of course.

Agreed.... takes awhile to build a scout.

How does anyone live with these constant 'you have been scanned' messages? At least I know when I'm scouting I can swap out to a sub proto fit, but with this heavy all you can do is sit around knowing everyone in the opposing squad can see you!

If I had an equipment slot to put in a quantum scanner to return the favour it wouldn't be so bad, but the only way I can see them is if they're standing in front of me

You, would have had a field day with this, it was a tricked out HAV, not some unmodified Militia pile. Anyone with some level of skill would have enjoyed the theft a lot more than me.

you got nova knifed by a heavy? wow, you do SUCK

Thanks for the reply. The basic jist of the situation is this:

Case #1: We open a new scout registry on page 522 of this thread, ...

Case #2: No change to anything (original registry - first post of this thread still remains closed) If a new scout registry pops up somewhere else folks register there if they want. maybe that thread dies due to it's author not updating, scouts not posting etc.... maybe it lives and we have 2 scout thread naughts. Scouts could potentially have two big threads they may want to monitor.
....
Most folks want to go with not creating a new registry for scouts in our thread naught here. Keep this place somewhat hidden from view.
...
If anyone else has an opinion please let me know - I'd like to get back to shotty soon.

Don't worry about skilling up an alt, just use it for forum access. My Nos Nothi alt gets login SP and the occasional battle rewards, and that's it. Surprisingly enough, you can get pretty close to standard scout, advanced knives, and scrambler pistol just off starting SP

Everyday

Hell, even a 5 point bonus (->40 dB) would help out the scanning situation.

That way it would scale such that with 1 complex precision enh would allow a cal scout to pick up a non-gal scout with 1 complex damp (uncloaked) or an undampened cloaked non-gal scout.

That's still seems a little messed up to me that you would still need to add modules to the best passive scanning suit in the game, but that would be a conservative change.

Dropping the scan precision (of all scouts) to 35 dB would be ideal in my opinion. The way that precision enhancers are set up with complex giving a -20% bonus allows complex dampeners to outstrip them after stacking.

As such, a gallente scout will still beat the caldari scout (in terms of passive scanning) with the addition of 1 complex damp (vs 1 complex precision) though without dampeners the 2 will be ~equal in terms of profile damp (gal) v. precision (cal).

This would continue with the incremental increase in the dampeners and precision enhancer modules used (with full skills).
____Gal Scout____I____Cal Scout_____I____Generic Scout precision___
0 damp = 23.6 dB__I__0 prec = 23.6 dB__I__0 prec/damp = 31.5 / 31.5 dB
1 damp = 17.7 dB__I__1 prec = 18.9 dB__I__1 prec/damp = 25.2 / 23.6 dB
2 damp = 13.3 dB__I__2 prec = 15.6 dB__I__2 prec/damp = 20.8 / 17.7 dB

Also, this doesn't take into account the cloaking bonus. That essentially adds one complex damp to anyone using it (while activated) Thus, an undampened scout will still be picked up by a cal scout while cloaked (probably, ~equal profile/precision) but if they run an additional dampener then they hit 17.7 dB and require a cal scout to use at least 2 precision modules.

Gallente scout is still mostly invisible regardless of situation but can be picked up with 1-3 stacked precision modules depending on how damped they are.

Also, this allows *other* non-cal scouts to have some semblance of tac-net vision of other scouts. They have to sacrifice a fair amount of fitting (ie at least 1 module if not 2 to be effective) to scan other scouts but aren't as effective at that role as the caldari scout. Thus, we have a counter for dampened scouts as well as a partial counter to the *invisibility* of gal scouts.

Thoughts? Worthy of a feedback thread?

Yeah I think it may be too late to run damage control on this one.....

There goes my KDR again, time to play spambush

Does anyone know if this is a per-character reward, or per account? From the language of the event it appears to be per character. Would be very helpful for my knife alt

I'll be hanging up the cloak and dagger for a while my fellow bastards.

Not in agreement with how CCP is doing the respec. Sent in a ticket to hear "HTFU" in which I am going to keep pressing until I get an answer on why it was done for vehicles and not infantry. Ill keep pushing up the ticket. I suggest the rest of you who feel the same, also continue the plight. Remember the customer is always right.

I plan on waiting it out until I have the passive SP to skill into the things I want to run.

I will run 10 battles each on all my alts for the event and then I am shutting it down for a while.

Also I want to see if CCP changes anything I don't want to put my SP somewhere that gets hit with the mega nerf bat and told to HTFU again with my SP. Grindy game is grindy and I just can't take it any more.

o7

Anyone else notice the Proto Magsec's ROF?

666.66 ROF



This does not bode well

My understanding is that the event will weigh whichever Booster is active at the start of the event.

Wow, the cloak actually looks pretty cool. Just dropping the chevron/health will be useful for travel, and it doesn't look like the shimmer will be massively noticeable, particularly if you're in an area with alot of cover.

Will be interesting to see how the transition to weapons works. If I can switch directly to my main weapon with no significant delay (same speed as weapon swaps now), then putting a NK in the light slot could be very effctive for kills out of cloak.

Can any one confirm if dropsuit biotics upgrade skill affects base speed inn addition to sprint and stam? If not then my movement calculations are all out

all these people whining about the amarr scout are starting to annoy meGǪ.

Spreadsheets dont make a suit. The Minmatar scout, on paper, looks terrible. But it performs in the field.

The Amarr scout, to my eye, looks like it will excel in specific areas while the slot layout allows it to perform reasonably across the board. Particularlary as scouts now have an appropraite baseline to work from (lowered scan profile, higher scan precision and scan radius).

You may not agree, and that's fine. But making selective comparisons and calling it evidence doesn't make you right either.

3x kincats, 1x damp, 2x shields, shotgun, and flay lock with a proto quantum scanner say otherwise

Um, what?
You just agreed with me there. It has no theme of it's own. It can mimic other because of CPU/PG and slot layout but it lacks anything unique. and with minmatar's new released stamina regen stat this won't have the stamina+regen to keep up despite have a high base speed and base stamina. if you want speed+shield tank. It is the best all-rounder suit. No theme, no specialization. It can jsut do everything fairly well. it's the second best at everything. which is really powerful, but so very boring in a class that is about specialization.

FTFY

7/10

See me after class

Also: You accepted, no showed, we talked about you no showing, and then you MYSTERIOUSLY STOPPED POSTING.

Knight showed up the T-dome where the battle was supposed to go down. You didn't show up. You might not have been fighting him, but he can prove that you never showed.

Now that's simply not true.

Many moons ago, there was an up-and-coming Scout named Quil ...
One winter day, perhaps motivated by boredom, Quil began to say stupid things.
Obscenely stupid things. Things like "Scouts shouldn't have primary weapons ... and I mean it!"
His outbursts of idiocy came like waves, one right after another, and many a Bastard suspected a Troll.

So ...

We Bastards did what Bastards do.
We called him names, made jokes, coined phrases, and produced myriad memes ...
... all sorts of abusive and vulgar things.

Do you know what Quil did, Jerrmy?
Quil took it like a man.

Today, Quil is no longer a Pariah.
In fact, he's become quite the Famous Bastard.

Area of some debate still
In my experience you need below 35.5 to not round up

SMG, ScP, and Shotgun nerf were really unneeded imo. If you want to get all conspiracy theory and put on a tin foil hat you could say it is CCP nudging people towards the new weapons. So your SP is sunk into more areas making you more commited to the game and making it more grindy so you have a higher likelyhood of spending money on AUR for booster. All part of the master plan... bwhahahahahahahahahahaha?

Good idea about not using the Cloak for a bit.

EDIT: Also, how does adding new weapons and changing the way weapons work NOT deserve a respec for weapons? It doesn't make sense...

Minimum tank for me in my proto suits are 5-600 hp. Any less than that and I know ill just die a lot in 1v1 engagements.

Minimum tank overall if you're a scout should be 450 hp. Any less and you can be killed before you can even react... Maybe that change in 1.8 though with nerf to rifles

I agree with Monk on the Pistoleer suit. Your scan range is over 90m and your effective range with that gun is 60m. Also, do you need to go Proto on the RE? The only benefit is carry 4, activate 5 (instead of 3 and 3). For 31 CPU you could open you suit up a little, toss on a nanohive (to refill those REs) or an SMG.

You're not a real scout.

I'll be sticking with Minmatar, i was Minmatar in Eve, and I'm addicted to speed. Wait, that came out wrong...

Still trying to decide if i want to keep my Minmatar assault though. The heavy could be interesting instead, or the 600k or so SP would help with maxing my cores to make my scout more effective. Tough choice.

depends on your play style.
Like knives? hack objectives? go minmatar

Like. . . knowing where people are but having low HP? Caldari.

Its very pretty. I look forward to watching it explode.

Hopefully the nerf to heavies is just the base suit HP.
Otherwise it's just stupid.

Standard or Adv?

Also, if you have to sprint to catch someone, try the jump-charge-slash. If you have higher level NKs, especially proto, they should finish charging mid air and you come down with a full charged slash at sprint speed.

Standard are trash, you won't even be able to take down scouts without a charged shot.

so who here specced minmitar in 1.8?

nah. let's leave cloaks alone. I couldn't possibly imagine a compelling reason to further nerf the cloak. It was nerfed out of the gate. it's the only edge a minja has.

It is not an issue. We do not have to find issues.

*gets killed by scout* Oh, he outdamaged me. wait... no. Oh, he has more hp. wait... no. Oh, he was cloaked. CLOAK IS OP!!!

Depiction of what happens in QQ machines.

I haven't tried it recently but it has a decent "chug" to it when firing. It lets you know exactly when the next shot is going once you're used to it. Perfect for timing the next shot.

I give it 6.5/10 due to it's dps

I wonder what other knives would bring to the table.

Wouldn't mind if there is a long blade (more reach and swipe), Lunge Knife, and throwing knife.