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Responded. Here's my maths:

40 dB - Proposed Scan Profile (down from 45 dB)
30 dB - Proposed Scan Profile + Racial Bonus Lvl(5)
27 dB - Proposed Scan Profile + Racial Bonus Lvl(5) + Dampening Lvl(5)

Whatcha think?

Responded. Here's my maths:

40 dB - Proposed Scan Profile (down from 45 dB)
30 dB - Proposed Scan Profile + Racial Bonus Lvl(5)
27 dB - Proposed Scan Profile + Racial Bonus Lvl(5) + Dampening Lvl(5)

Whatcha think?

aint gonna happen.
They want proto suit/no modules, to beat all EXCEPT proto scanners.
They want proto scanners, to beat everthing without modules
You *will* have to add a module, to beat a proto scanner.

You want to beat a proto scanner without modules. It aint gonna happen, it goes against the typical e-warfare escalation progression.

I don't disagree with your logic, but we'll be in a pinch if Proto Scanners become as commonplace as ARs in 1.5.
The majority of our suits only have two low slots.
A "mandatory" dampener is a far cry from design flexibility, IMHO.

Then I guess gallente proto suits will become similarly as common? :-}

I still have difficulty believing eveyone will be running around with proto scanners though. those things are expensive. it should also make for a new paradigm, of "Dog pile /ZERG on the scanner-boy!!!"

I don't mind using dampeners, I got them skilled, what I mind is that I started uprising with gallente, got the optional respec went full out proto minmatar, then they bring in a scanner , never even knew someone could even see me cuz it never said, 1.4 comes now I'm stuck with a suit that CAN'T HIDE!

I had the right damn suit all along, now I gotta spend almost 3 million sp an own two proto scouts, pretty lame!
It's the fact that a scout can't beat it no matter what it does that's the problem, it's a pub match suit, gallente is pc.

I don't mind using dampeners, I got them skilled, what I mind is that I started uprising with gallente, got the optional respec went full out proto minmatar, then they bring in a scanner , never even knew someone could even see me cuz it never said, 1.4 comes now I'm stuck with a suit that CAN'T HIDE!

If you're talking about the 15 dB, then you're correct. Otherwise, one dampener should do the trick.
Frankly, I expected to see more proto scanners this build. I've only been hit a handful of times.
Logis are complaining about being cash strapped as is.
There's a chance we won't have anything to worry about.
And a good chance we'll very, very rarely see the 15 dB.

I will agree to this only if I can Akimbo Nova Knives.

Also, my merc must look like this when killing everybody.

Oh hey Ozarow, what is your gallente scout level?

It would be nice if you could help out and test whether the "scout level 5" dampening bonus from the min, transfers over to the gallente one.
Probably doesnt, but the way they worded the writeup... it just might.
Inquiring minds want to know :)

Even in PC the 28 db will be the most used just saying, on ennemy team you can now by name who is scout because we have a registery even before the game start, the 28 is more usefull because he can show the ennemy position more longer and you have time to adjust your position to face the eneemy not with the 15, he also cost less than the 15 db, one cost 6 pg the other 18.... Add this with the communication we got in pc between player whenever a scout kill someone in the back or flanking the ennemy can know by comms if its important. Personnaly you make a storm in a glass of water with the 15 db.

The scout his a specialist never forget this, can play many roles has i always stated, if you only try to br a slayer in PC its possible but you need to have a freaking strong infantry in your team to do this to create some open space .

Scouts role in PC
- speed hacker in beginning of the game
- key uplink installation anywhere on the field
- used has a swing to reinforce location due to his speed and sneak ability
- hacking ennemy home point
- hiding in a corner when you are at the defense of a letter until ennemy nearby ( RE instalation )
- kill poeple like anybody

Good point, an being a glass ghost is no fun either I just find it stupid thaT in order to not be scanned a mini needs to waste a low slot, which only irritates me more that I didn't stay with gallente.
I have the suit at 3 an I got some neo protos an their fantastic because everything I specked into can fit on the same suit.
I would have totally thought this through more clearly except I never anticipated the game changing this much since uprising.
I feel I would never even bothered with mini an knives, but in uprising I couldn't hit $hit with the shot gun so the speed an knives were better.
But now the sg kiksass for me an the gallente is such a versatile suit in comparison.

I guess my argument is more based on the mini not performing as it did because several things have changed an I realized I'm a low slot ***** lol

I have min at 5 =25%
Gallente race scout 3=15%
Profile dampening 4=8%

Before the last patch everyone knew where I was regardless of scanners or my scan profile. Now they only sometimes know where I am. No one is going to sacrifice all their low slots to dampeners. OZAWROW needs to stop whining about this. The ISK value, the fitting requirements, and the duration are their to balance against seeing scouts. Active Scanners are working as intended.

Thanks.

FYI to other folks(and maybe you :) seems like some people think I'm saying you get "gallente bonus, PLUS min bonus".

That's not what I'm saying.

To Ozarow:
if we go with things separate, I think without modules, you would have:

gallente scout suit: 45 * .55 * .92 = 35.5
minmatar scout: 45 * .75 * .92 = 31.5

So... first off, we should get someone to scan you with a 28dB level scanner to verify that you do indeed show up, and it isnt additive :)

Then, get you scanned with each of those suits, and a basic, or militia damp module.

If my math is right, and bonus does not transfer, then your minmatar suit will be invisible, but your gallente will show up on scanner.
26.3dB vs 31.05dB

If bonus DOES transfer (or, heck, is additive :D ) then gallente wont show up on 28dB scanner either.


If you're availabe today, lemme know when, and I can try to sync and scan you!

Had a fun few matches with Shotty and the gang earlier. However, I'm really feeling that the only thing that scouts have going for them is the low profile and that's completely useless when you are either spotted from 100m away or shoot at someone and don't manage to kill them in 1 second and they turn around and kill you by looking at you.

gallente scout suit: 45 * .85 * .92 = 35.2
minmatar scout: 45 * .75 * .92 = 31.5

If my math is right...

Dude I'm not whining, I can beat the 28 that's not a problem, plus I almost have a proto gallente as well as minmatar is already proto an One basic pd beats the 28 on that suit an morathi is right, because of the new wp system everyone will use the 28 as a way to have a better chance at getting points, so at first I thought it was stupid ccp made it impossible for one scout not to beat 15 but the new wp system will probably work in our favor, I was just trying to use it as a excuse to sneak another slot on the suit if ccp was listening