Snipers beware.

Giving the benefit of the doubt i will assume you didnt miss the main point; snipers with brass enough to step up to or over the red line don't get to sit back on their haunches in safety and thats beause of us scouts. Anybody choosing to get all constipated over that just provides me humor.

Brothers Found:

• Tier + ( < 1.25k) - Theophillous London, Quil Evrything

Also, will go back to more scout+sniper, when I save up crazy-sp enough to unlock charged sniper rifle. Used to be my favourite thing. Oddly though, of late, I've been using a lot of assault+sniper in the middle of the field. Mostly because I have BPOs of them with the (edit)Vet pack though. fREEE!
And of course, because you now HAVE to be midfield for most sniping opportunities since they're mostly covered now

I have to post a retraction. My original instinct was correct: the BPO is only the same as the Level 1 sniper rifle.
The Ishokone has had a damage boost, but the wiki page had not been updated.

Awww...

On the brighter side, the charged sniper now has INSANE damage.. which is why they made it proto.

321 damage? is that WITHOUT charge??
I'm gonna love me somma dat. "One shot, one kill" here I come!
Now.. just gotta save up 30kabillion SP

I'd rather use Armor Tanking + Stealth than Shields + Sacrifice. Armor tanking does detract from movement speed but I use stealth to my advantage when my movement is hindered.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1324282#post1324282
So I made a request

PS, had to swap away from shotgun/knife to AR/smg....feels dirty but its the only way

Plasma Cannons & Militia Gear only :P

Agreed, though i rarely end up in squads that actually work together

MDs aren't really used anymore. And it's not like shield scouts do any better against grenades. 'Cause they don't.

I was thinking and thought what would the racial bonus be for the Caldari and Amarr.
So all scout suits get 5% reduction to scan profile per level

Gallente bonus is +10% to scan radius per level
Minmatar bonus is +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level

Base on that
Caldari bonus would be +10% scan precision per level
Amarr bonus would be +5% to scrambler pistol damage per level

So what do you guys think.

I made this suggestion base off race and what kind of slots they might get. Also AR is Gallente weapon and the AR is already to powerful. So NO!

Edit:
And the Amarr scout getting a 25% bonus to SP damage at lvl 5 might be a bit too much.

...So that's two people saying at least one of the minmatar scout's racial bonuses are gimmicks. One of the suit's bonuses is the same as the Gallente - so no comparison.
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To say that Nova Knife / Melee bonus is a gimmick compared to the Gallente specialisation of increased scan range? Not sure the Gallente one is particularly good with the base of 10m, as plenty of us are pointing out. So I'm not really understanding your argument.

So with Ishukone Nova Knives you get 200 damage with Minmatar scout level 5 and proficiency Level 5 you get 287.5 damage. That is just swiping so when fully charge i believe it doubles or triples the damage. Also the Advance only does 150.00 damage without proficiency.

But scouting is pointless if everyone can just scan. Why take an extra person when you can just fit a piece of cheap equipment?

And I don't know about you, but even if I get the drop on a Cal Logi with >1000 eHp, first shot is a head shot, I still am not sure I'm going to win that fight. Hell, heavies are back, because they can turn and kill you in the time it takes to get two shotgun shells or 2 NK swings off.

This is a lot of fun, and how i spend a fair bit of time in battle. I like bringing Flux grenades to disrupt the supply/uplink lines, and cause panic.

you can be running after a even a heavy target behind their back and never be able to actually catch up and knife them because as soon as you switch to charging you slow down to crawl and and in the time it takes you to swing the target is gonna take one step forward which is enough for the swing to miss consistently.

When you don't get your OHK, even a heavy is now fast enough to track all your movements in CQC compared to you.
...

This is what happens consistently with sneak up tactics.

I'm using (flaylock) as a follower for the smg or md , it's still a good gun

The Tactical
OK I used it extensively today and I would not recommend it as a Bread & Butter pistol but it's certainly a weird flavor.

Yeah I had like 100 of these, down to 50 now, don't use em anymore, was only using them on my proto AR suit before 1.4 dropped.

I like pairing the KLO-1 or IA5 with the shotgun. they have a longer range than the other ones and eaither make it a tool to kite someone around a corner or to shred their shields so the shotgun is more effective.

https://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/ Hope this help

P.S. this better help

Ya'll scouts impress me everyday in your hit and run like hell tactics.

As good as Min Assault is to my now-recuperating KDR, I am a scout and that is the gameplay I just can't have right now and for the last 3 builds... has anyone heard any news about this yet?

How are you guys staying soooooo positive? I want in on your secret...

Can someone please do a stealth heavy with novaknife and shotgun montage and upload it to youtube? I'd pay at least 5 mil isk for that

3- well its a proposition since we try to find a role for the scout, i feel its the way to go, a scout with a basic dampening module can have undetectable uplink, ammo, RE even to a 28 db scan! And more difficult to see by opponent

I wish scouts could carry two light weapons lol that otta even things out!
Sniper rifle an a shotgun, two balacs lol, mass driver an a shotgun .... Ouch!

Responded. Here's my maths:

40 dB - Proposed Scan Profile (down from 45 dB)
30 dB - Proposed Scan Profile + Racial Bonus Lvl(5)
27 dB - Proposed Scan Profile + Racial Bonus Lvl(5) + Dampening Lvl(5)

Whatcha think?

I don't disagree with your logic, but we'll be in a pinch if Proto Scanners become as commonplace as ARs in 1.5.
The majority of our suits only have two low slots.
A "mandatory" dampener is a far cry from design flexibility, IMHO.

I don't mind using dampeners, I got them skilled, what I mind is that I started uprising with gallente, got the optional respec went full out proto minmatar, then they bring in a scanner , never even knew someone could even see me cuz it never said, 1.4 comes now I'm stuck with a suit that CAN'T HIDE!

I have min at 5 =25%
Gallente race scout 3=15%
Profile dampening 4=8%

Had a fun few matches with Shotty and the gang earlier. However, I'm really feeling that the only thing that scouts have going for them is the low profile and that's completely useless when you are either spotted from 100m away or shoot at someone and don't manage to kill them in 1 second and they turn around and kill you by looking at you.

Good question an actually this is why I started going gallente racial in June to see if the profile stacks.
Tbh it's hard to tell because I don't know who's using what scanner.
I ve only been scanned a few times honestly an aeon an his 15 db was one of them. But I was in a pc the other day an nothing found me an I was running the min proto, I found it odd.

I have min at 5 =25%
Gallente race scout 3=15%
Profile dampening 4=8%

Sidearm specialists

Quick question:
Do profile dampeners have a stacking penalty? I'm running a standard Gallente scout (level 1 bonus + level 1 dampening skill) and decided to give up one reactive plate (out of the two I had equipped) in exchange for the standard dampener, which should reduce my profile 22% in total. Considering the fact that I'm all but dead if I actually have to engage an opponent, is it worth giving up my other reactive plate for another dampener? It's not as though there's a huge difference between 100/200 EHP and 100/150 EHP!

What kind of loadouts do people run for their low-powered slots? Do veteran scouts bother with armor/reps or do they focus on scanning/dampening modules?

Incorrect! Ran proto gear every FW match yesterday. For the win!

gk.0
2 cmp plates, 1 cmp repper, 1 enh card reg
CRG-3, Toxin SMG, Core Nades
1 cmp shield, A-19 scanner

Similar today, but with a proto SG (for testing) ...

gk.0
1 cmp plate, 1 enh plate, 1 cmp repper, 1 enh cpu chip
Creodron SG, M209 SMG, Core Nades
1 cmp shield, A-19 scanner

"You are only as good as your network connection"
-Modern Confucius

Sounds a bit serious for "B" team...

My greatest weakness. Yeah, I get pissed about sh*t, and tend to voice it to whoever listens. Just tell me to stop complaining, and I will normally shut the trap. As I said, it's just a problem of mine.

What no MD scouts?

When it goes down, I'm more and more tempted to just hide in my "i was just messing around" adv scout suit with 500 hp

This makes me sad.....I just did the math and (gallente) scouts get screwed over (for FW)....YET AGAIN!

I'm having a hell of a blast with the 100m 20s scanner. I can get in places where nobody can find me and scan the objectives the whole damned match.

Hahahahahaha!

Core skills.

Proto don't mean crap unless you can fit it right. Core Skills improve all of your fits, and allow you to run Cheap ADV suits that are actually quite effective. I'm at 11mil SP w/o Proto. And I can still run one hell of an ADV suit.

For the first month of Uprising the BPOs did not benefit from the role bonuses. As of 1.1 All BPOs get their respective role bonuses.

PS: The only item I use from the Elite Pack is the Dren Shotgun. I bought it primarily for the Aurum and Boosters, secondarily to support CCP :-)

Dampening Level 3 is the highest I'd recommend.
There is no realized benefit (at the moment) for Level 4 and 5.

At Scout Level 5, you'll generally not need to run a dampener (as most folks run advanced scanners).

A prototype BPO suit would be "pay to win" by definition.
I bought the Elite Pack when it was released in May.
Unless I'm out-of-the-loop, I think it still comes with a G-1 BPO (not a gk.0) ...

....

They have min aur suits, an correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think bonuses are applied to suits, my gallente adv won't get scanned but my neo proto will in the same match, hard to say without testing this.

I would assume also that dragon an valor count as basics not racial but that's just a assumption .

If we're here to learn, then passing off bad information is a not a very good thing to do. Probably shouldn't take advice from someone with a 700 kills and nearly 2500 deaths

you are no longer scanned after re-spawning.
they stay lit up after they die :(

I would assume also that dragon an valor count as basics not racial but that's just a assumption .

Does it get the profile bonus?

Theirs friendly fire in FW now or soon ? LOL I'm never around anyone to notice

I've been running around with my ADV scout whenever my team gets redlined.
I have this fitting that is VERY effective... Hope it helps=

Minnie Scout ADV (im guessing the GAL ADV is better for this purpose)

GÖª x2 Cx Shield Ext
GÖª CPU blue chip thingieh... (lack of CPU LOL) / i think ENH
GÖª Enhanced prof Dampner
GÖª Quantum ADV scanner
GÖª Weapons of choice:
I run ASsault Scrambler Pistol and SMG

Being fast, undetected and knowing were everybody is has worked...KIND OF for me....
ITs 100% effective until some douche takes out a proto active scanner....

Bro honestly just blow people up using a free or cheap suit, do suicide runs an take out 4 to the grave with you,

So I had a question for everyone in a Scout suit or at the very least "looking forward" to becoming a Scout:

Which suit will you be running and why?


*Winter Expansion*

The deadline for the squad cup signup is actually only about 2 days away. Signups are now open.
So please go to http://www.consoles.net/eu/team/8006223/ now, and sign up for team 4 Teh Lulz! :)

Reminder: This is for the North America region

Although I would spec into SMG over knives at this point....knives wont likely be fixed until 1.7, so another month at the soonest. Dont waste your SP

I'll have the SP for the complex range amps in the next day or so, so will let you know then, unless anyone else can test it first.

I really do say a waste because they really aren't fun anymore (granted they have "moments"....fleeting moments). I want fellow scout brothers to continue playing the game and not get frustrated by crappy hit detection. The nights I run my SMG/NK builds I stop playing the game for a couple days because of the pure rage that ensues when I cant kill stationary targets.

In prep for gallente FW and its lack of isk I have started running with a total BPO dragonfly suit and am still kicking ass :D. Wish I had a minmitar BPO suit

What's your precision level. The range doesn't matter if your precision isn't up to par.

I shield and stealth tank my Caldari suits. .

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279

New Rifles:
ETA not specified.
Appears that the vanilla AR may have dodged a nerf.

With stacking penalties enemies should appear for me at up to around 67m and though I couldn't measure for certain, that seemed to be able the distance on the radar that some people popped up but even then it was very patchy and unreliable.

Trust me mate. Im pretty good at maths and spreadsheet the heck out of this stuff when Im bored stiff at work. With 50% each from gal 5 range 5 that's 22.5 then 4 45% increases with the stacking penalties it comes to approx 67m. Sit on the upstairs objective in the research facility and you can see peoples chevrons in the tunnels below and as they run up the stairs towards you but the radar blips in and out. I can't even imagine why but the radar is pretty pants. Chevron sight is the daddy though :)

Yes, this is true. This is why the 46db on objectives scan would be great.

Gallente Scout-Assault fit:
Scout gk.0
Complex Shield Extender
x2 Complex Armor Plates
x2 Complex Armor Repairer

Constantly ending matches 10-15\0 in most battles solo. Was playing about 2 days ago with scout squad including Shotty GoBang with amazing results. Best was 21\0 & 28\3 with 571k isk payout! But 30-50% of kills was from OB stikes

Am I the only scout without points in uplinks?

Well particularly for the squad cup, domination...no vehicles. So gotta run to the objective, there is no way any squad isn't going to have some1 quick do this. They'll prolly use minmatar mediums when it comes down to it but yeah just askin.

I would, but with school and work, I'm really busy. If you guys have extra spots, I'll sign up as a possible member, if someone else can't make it.

What's the password?

Yeah. I ask to join team and it asks me for a password :P

Get their email addresses and send them invites to the squad. That's how I got into the squad I'm in.

Boom. Done.

well apparently i'm in the team.

Can you some how contact CCP to see if we can still get in.

Okay, I sent a support message to consoles.net for us. It's up to them.

Hello Quil,

Unfortunately all the rosters have been finalised and submitted for the match seedings, no more teams are allowed to enter

LOGGED IN THIS MORNING.

GOT 100 BLACK EAGLES

GOT 100 QUAFES!

WTF DON'T CARE

Word on the forum is you get them by having at least an alt on your account that you haven't logged into for over 60 days.

Sorry if I was unclear.

What I meant was having an alt on your psn account along with your main. You can use your main but still get the suits by not using an alt on the same same account for the 60 day period.

So there is potentially no tradeoff.

So anyone know exactly how much HP a heavy can possibly stack at proto? With the new armor buff to heavies that gives them a 150 extra HP at proto level. I wanna know if knives can still ohk that?

Mine are pro 4 doing about 1120 I think an they would do 1200 at pro 5 ( off the top of my head) wondering if we need damage mods now?

1150 with pro 5 an 25% on the suit bonus is the max but for some reason they drop people with more HP then that, for charged head shots.

I believe this is how it should be calculated

45 * 0.95 * 0.94 * .85 * ( 1 - 0.2 * 0.86 ) = 28.2822

which would make you still vulnerable to proto scanners.

Man, I will be at Scout 4 this weekend, and I can't wait. I've been getting WRECKED by active scanners for the past week...

You should elect Appia, ...
And you'd probably get to see what she looks like then...

Might sound op but lol imagine we could spawn on either enemy letters or uplinks, now that would be dope!

I agree. I also would like to see the "You have been scanned" message go away. As if we don't have enough problems being seen. Particularly when I roll up on an objective that looks like it might be deserted, and scan just to find several reds there, no back up, and now they know I am around and can send out the search party.

Being new and have only 2mil= sp does not help. But, I try.
Just dump 700k sp in SMG instead of shields just so I can fight, make a stand against my foe.

Have you tried remote explosives?? You only need 1 level

Scouts, we die alot. This is known. If I have to make a stand, at least I want something to make a stand with
while I save up sp for shields, armor, knives, explosives, hacking, oh the list goes on and on.

When you say shield and armor, are you talking about the skills? If so, put your SP into other things for the moment.

Most AR users can't seem to handle me when I quickly switch strafe (even with AA). ...
. Most meds seem to expect scouts without shotguns or nova knives to just flee after being seen and usually react poorly against a scout flying into their face.

VAHZZ proclaims the excellence of the Scout class, O' how awesome they are. Ninjas and Snipers alike..

I'm playing with ambush fits. Actually using ADV to see what lolz I can come up with.

and apparently, with shield 3, armor 3, I can come up with
143/370 = 513 hp.

Tried it.
Do Not Like Too slow.
Might get away with it on minmatar, but on gallente it feels painfully slow. -3%. x2

I've done 4 matches today, and I feel like hit detections still broken! I'm not getting blue shields but I've got to a heavy BEHIND HIM sent 2 charged blades to his back (we were both standing still) 1 of the 2 hit then the rest of my knives delt no DMG as
he destroyed me!!!

Are you using adv or pro knives?

Seems like the best plan of attack; I may follow suit. Either that or relegate myself to sniper hunting.... either way, heading for the hills seems to be a solid move.

On the other hand, very few run the Proto Scan in most matches. It's really only good for picking up scouts, and I know logis would hate to drop their other slots to run a Pro scan.

Hey guys, quick question from a guy who on uses the shotgun on a "just for fun" Heavy suit.

Is the shotgun effectiveness affected by the movement of the user? Because it seems that people who use the weapon on scout suits have more trouble with it than I do with the Heavy.

Now this is the point that will make them work only really well with scouts but also allows suitably fitted mediums a chance:

Scan profile will determine whether other suits can see you or not while cloaked

If an enemy suit has lower scan precision than your scan profile, you will appear like a translucent uncloaked clone but not as opaque as a normal clone

If successfully scanned by an enemy active scanner, you will similarly appear translucent to the scanner's squad and will still get a flashing chevron over your head

This is somewhat similar to an idea Oswald had, but how about this:

Introduce a new slot type, the active module slot.
Each suit gets 1 (except sentinels) to mirror equipment slots

I would say Range
In the current environment will shields even add an extra bullet to you? (this is an honest question)

I still don't think it should be exclusive to scouts either but with the way I've described it, it will be next to useless for anyone other than scouts because we're the only ones that don't have to do anything extra to keep low enough profiles to avoid scans (both passive and active). It doesn't have to be actually exclusive to scouts (other suits will cry bloody murder) but this way we have something that realistically only we can do, so it's as good as exclusive to us.

For the first time in a long time, I can recommend that you guys invest a few points in Shotgun Proficiency. It makes a noticeable difference every two levels.

- Shotty

Betcha $5 we get cloak in a month.

TL/DR: If you're having a hard time finishing flanked opponents with a Shotgun, I strongly recommend skilling into the AR and running it just like you would your shotgun.

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Conclusion:
If you haven't tried it yet, I'd recommend putting a few points in AR Operation and running a GEK.
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- Shotty

Sharpshooter will help a lot, AR ops III and Sharpshooter III is the best use of SP for that... Or just the ScR Ops IV for assault scrambler rifle :p

The problem with Shotgunning is that while hit detection has improved, our TTK has worsened. It takes too long to place the oft-required 3 blasts (or 2 from a Breach), even at Shotgun Proficiency V.

Destiny is a close third after Metal Gear Solid V and Dark Souls II for my most anticipated games coming out in the near future.

We should totally attack a PC districtGǪ all scouts

Obviously if we were forming a corp specifically to increase scout influence across Molden Heath we would need to name it "Hard Mode"

However, after realizing we are an all scout team, the enemy would switch to the focused scanner. While not as dangerous as the others if scanned, they could just have some dedicated scan logis who have 3 or 4 of them to keep watch on us.

Except they won't be alone. They'll have their Assault and Assault Logi teammates around them for protection. We wouldn't live long enough to get within shotgun or nova knife range
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We could use the 700+ eHP scout fittings some have proposed to put us on a similar tanking level, but are we really scouts then?

You know, i was thinking this through too but i actually think the smg is fine. Reason being that you have to get in very close range with it to get high dps.

The fact that you have to get within half the optimum range of rifles to even reach your effective range means that you've already done a fantastic job of getting in close and deserve that high damage potential. It needs no more a nerf than any other cqc weapon like the shotgun or novas.

On a side note, I'm running a pistol today. Only at Operation II, so I haven't unlocked the goodies yet, but ...
HOLY COW THIS THING IS AWESOME!

As a senior software engineer I have to finally say DUST 514 is a horrible piece of software.

I used to love the KLO-1. But It just isn't working out between us anymore. I need higher RoF

I hear TTK is lowered, what a crock of **** that was. Still getting killed by nobodies with militia gear. Here's a scout buff - 75% damage resistance to ARs and SCR at 10 m or less.

100 shield isn't gonna change anything with how TTK is now.

100 shield isn't gonna change anything with how TTK is now.

I know it does not exist, but it really feels like Caldari Assault has a shield hardener on it. Because I can tear through a Cal Logi's shields faster than I can the CalAss.

AHHAAA!! So it's not just me!

I think this merits some experiments.

Had a blast last night with all you scouts, both with and against. I used footage from the matches last night in this: http://youtu.be/LGF5vYKLP4A

Warning: lots of scout on scout violence as I ramble on about defending objectives. Not for the weak of heart.

edit: After rewatching, why the kitten is that Amarr Assault as fast as I am? I only catch up because he turned around :(

Question for my scoutly brethren - when traversing a long distance on foot is the fastest way to use 2 x kinkats, 1 x kinkat & 1 x card reg or 2 x card regs?

I honestly would beat a target to death with a rock if i could. What would be awesome is a disarming mechanic for scouts if they get in melee range.

So I tried the new fit out - scrambler pistol + knives. Fail. Will try again tomorrow, and refuse to be disheartened. I haven't figured out how the hell to use knives properly yet - sneaking up on ppl is easy kills, but in a battle with someone? Hmmm.....I really missed my shotty. Must...try...harder.

I wish there was a way for scouts to assassinate a tank driver while they are still in the tank. Would make scouting so much fun when they finally allow us to keep what we steal.

Your profile is 28.764, proto Scanner have a profile of 28db, so:"you have been scanned"
Math: 45*0.85*0.94*0.80 = 28.764

I'm not even bothering to play at the moment. I'll check out rail rifles in 1.7 and the cal scout when it gets released but I'm not planning on consistently playing until the game is bearable.

I hate proto-stomping...but I understand why it happens. Only recently have I realised I might have a counter to it.

Question I have to you guys is - is this ok?

hahah woot woot

cool

just wanted to make sure i wasnt breaking any sort of etiquette. a single forge gun OHK or RE troll is all it takes when the stomp is in full flow.

Your response is as I'd hoped :D

As for the tactics, yes, I do use them. I very rarely have a K/D less than one. However, I don't enjoy the twitch shooter that Dust currently is.

OK so I'm kinda getting addicted to knives and was wondering if anyone had advice on fittings/tactics. Currently running the advanced minmatar scout.
High slots: 1 complex and 1 enhanced shield extender.
Low slots: 1 basic plate and 1 enhanced cardiac reg.
Primary weapoin: TT3 assault sp
Side arm: ZN knives

the base speed of a black eagle

is the same as putting a basic kin (but having your kins maxed with the 5% bonus)

so the answer is no

the black eagle just has built in mods that you cannot change

Two words: Quafe squads. Anyone?

Rack those kills so we can run together, I asked cyrious if he would like to record us in our pimp suits.

I imagine it as working closely together and not doing too much risky things. We only pull them out when a match is "nooby",
...

Bottom line: Basic precision and basic damp pay the only return on investment. Anything stronger is overkill and a waste of cpu.

1) Profile Signature and Precision drop down from 45 to 40

- Doing this will save cpu and will functionally give the scout one extra low slot

2) Base Stamina increase from 200 to 300

3) Increase movement/sprint by .5 for each scout, and see how well that works.

Precision is not for anti-scouts but for countering dampened medium suits