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Ivan Avogadro wrote:

hooc roht wrote:

Everyone fears a scout in CQC. Either with a shot gun or nova knives.

They may die a lot but hey are also great killers.

I fail to see why they are considered underpowered.

What are you saying needs to be buffed on them?

First of all, they need a CPU bump. The Min Pro Scout gets only 230 CPU. If you count all the slots, weapons, equip, etc... you get 9 total fitting slots on the min proto scout, 13 on min pro logi, and 11 on min pro assault. Divide that total fitting slot by CPU, and you see Scout: 25 CPU / slot, Logi: 30 CPU / slot, Assault: 29 CPU / slot. So even with less slots to fill they get less fitting power. They have to do less with less options.

Secondly, passive scanning is currently a joke. Most of the Scout benefit is focused on low scan profile and increased scan precision. But passive scanning tops out in the 15m-20m range for people who FULLY train in it (1.3mil SP). Check your death spam and see how many people kill you with SR or AR inside 20m. Most kills are further out, meaning that the Scout "bonus" hasn't even kicked on before they die. For a Scout to sneak up on you, the game provided stealth bonus is almost literally worthless. It means that player has skill. And that skill is equally applied to Assault Suits and Logi suits.

HPs and speed are fine as is, it's a good trade off survivability for mobility. But EWAR needs a facelift and Scouts need some fitting love.

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RatchetMAN What The French CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:07:00 - [151] - Quote Hey a chaque fois en domination et escarmouche Je d+¬passe les 20 et 30 kills . Je suis un petit +¬lite Non?
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 108	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:13:00 - [152] - Quote RatchetMAN wrote: Hey a chaque fois en domination et escarmouche Je d+¬passe les 20 et 30 kills . Je suis un petit +¬lite Non? L'exp+¬rience est plus considerer ici, sa dit un peu le temps que tu as mit sur ton scout, tu peux etre un des meilleur et avoir uniquement que 12 000 kill
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 303	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:14:00 - [153] - Quote RatchetMAN wrote: Hey a chaque fois en domination et escarmouche Je d+¬passe les 20 et 30 kills . Je suis un petit +¬lite Non? Translation (to the best of my ability) Hey every time in domination and In skirmish over 20 and 30 kills. I'm a little elite no?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 142	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:16:00 - [154] - Quote RatchetMAN wrote: Hey a chaque fois en domination et escarmouche Je d+¬passe les 20 et 30 kills . Je suis un petit +¬lite Non? Attempt at French: Vous +¬tes bestial mon rochet d'ami, sans aucun doute ou doute. Veuillez pardonner mon utilisation des labels superficiels. Ce sont des moyens simples de classification, telle que la progression de rang+¬e peut plus ais+¬ment +¬tre identifi+¬e. Target Message: You are beastly my friend Ratchet, without question or doubt. Please pardon my use of superficial labels. These are a simple means of classification, such that tier progression may be more readily recognized.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 303	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:19:00 - [155] - Quote Yall speak French? Color me impressed I'm not even sure if what I said was totally correct lol
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 142	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:29:00 - [156] - Quote Morathi III wrote: L'exp+¬rience est plus considerer ici, sa dit un peu le temps que tu as mit sur ton scout, tu peux etre un des meilleur et avoir uniquement que 12 000 kill o7, sir. The designations of Elite, Veteran, Experienced and Registered were recently added as a simple means of classification. By no means should these be interpreted as a measure of a given Scout's skill or ability. Do you guys think it wise to keep these designations in place, or should they be removed? Les d+¬signations de l'+¬lite, v+¬t+¬ran, +¬prouv+¬ et enregistr+¬ ont +¬t+¬ r+¬cemment ajout+¬es en tant que des moyens simples de classification. Nullement si ceux-ci sont interpr+¬t+¬s comme mesure de la comp+¬tence ou de la capacit+¬ d'un scout donn+¬. Est-ce que vous des types le pensez sage de maintenir ces d+¬signations, ou devriez ils +¬tre enlev+¬ ?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 305	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:32:00 - [157] - Quote shrugs if people are crabby bout it may as well to avoid unnecessary conflict
Appia Vibbia Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 89	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:37:00 - [158] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: 13:15 - Killboard Updated Accolades: Spec Ops Cipher progressed to Elite status, increasing the odds of Elite Scout encounter from 00.14% to 00.16%. Grave Oblivion progressed to Veteran status, having accumulated over 10,000 Tears. Elessar Gaudet progressed to Experienced status; may many more fall in his Scoutly wake. Announcements: The legendary Sleepy Zan (Scout Sniper) has left the Community. May he aim for the legs of his former brethren. Veteran Appia Vibbia has been added to the board, taking her rightful place among the Top 20. Notes: Due to character limitation, the Registry entry threshold will soon be increased from 1000 kills to 1250 kills.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 142	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:38:00 - [159] - Quote ! Fixed, ma'am. o7
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 306	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:45:00 - [160] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: ! Fixed, ma'am. o7 Lol tis the thought that counts yes? Good intentions and all that mediforical nonsense

Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 142	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:52:00 - [161] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: ...avoid unnecessary conflict Agreed. Divisional designations removed.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 315	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:58:00 - [162] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: ...avoid unnecessary conflict Agreed. Divisional designations removed. Lol ok may have wanted to get advice from more then just me but tis your show after all
RatchetMAN What The French CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:51:00 - [163] - Quote Pas de probl+¿me vous garderez ces classement . Je serai en classe +¬lite au moins mardi
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 143	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:09:00 - [164] - Quote RatchetMAN wrote: Pas de probl+¿me vous garderez ces classement . Je serai en classe +¬lite au moins mardi Merci, monsieur rochet. Je suis heureux que vous ayez remis en cause le label, et vous +¬tiez correct pour faire ainsi. Je ne vois aucune raison d'employer les d+¬signations s'il y a n'importe quelle possibilit+¬ qu'elles peuvent offenser nos fr+¿res. N+¬anmoins, bient+¦t vous serez compt+¬ parmi l'+¬lite. o7
Appia Vibbia Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 90	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:43:00 - [165] - Quote lol, no offense implied or taken. Just making it more well known. But the Scout and Sniper exodus has not yet ended. I try my damnedest to represent where and when I can to bring it back. Scout Snipers need some Dev love
dreth longbow Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.30 23:37:00 - [166] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: hooc roht wrote: Everyone fears a scout in CQC. Either with a shot gun or nova knives. They may die a lot but hey are also great killers. I fail to see why they are considered underpowered. What are you saying needs to be buffed on them? First of all, they need a CPU bump. The Min Pro Scout gets only 230 CPU. If you count all the slots, weapons, equip, etc... you get 9 total fitting slots on the min proto scout, 13 on min pro logi, and 11 on min pro assault. Divide that total fitting slot by CPU, and you see Scout: 25 CPU / slot, Logi: 30 CPU / slot, Assault: 29 CPU / slot. So even with less slots to fill they get less fitting power. They have to do less with less options. Secondly, passive scanning is currently a joke. Most of the Scout benefit is focused on low scan profile and increased scan precision. But passive scanning tops out in the 15m-20m range for people who FULLY train in it (1.3mil SP). Check your death spam and see how many people kill you with SR or AR inside 20m. Most kills are further out, meaning that the Scout "bonus" hasn't even kicked on before they die. For a Scout to sneak up on you, the game provided stealth bonus is almost literally worthless. It means that player has skill. And that skill is equally applied to Assault Suits and Logi suits. HPs and speed are fine as is, it's a good trade off survivability for mobility. But EWAR needs a facelift and Scouts need some fitting love. sooo true, I can't count how many times I have been killed by someone close by, or in a LAV and I have fully trained passive scanning, what a joke it is and a total waste of sp. Just last night I got shot at by a guy on a hill as I ran by not 20 mtrs away and then when I went to get him he was up their with a LAV and 2 heavys with nothing on my radar. I got smoked.
kanders Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 11	Posted - 2013.07.01 02:05:00 - [167] - Quote Another shotgun scout here. Right before uprising I was getting bored of being a mediocre assault and played around with my long neglected dragonfly suit. Immediately loved it and fully spec'd in to gallente scout as soon as Uprising launched. 6252 kills. Probably half of those (and definitely more than half of my deaths) were from my time as an assault. Only 1.11 KDR, but up from like .85 since Uprising.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 145	Posted - 2013.07.01 03:17:00 - [168] - Quote kanders wrote: Another shotgun scout here. Added. Welcome, Brother. o7
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 552	Posted - 2013.07.01 03:28:00 - [169] - Quote Good job with this Shotty.
RatchetMAN What The French CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.07.01 15:15:00 - [170] - Quote I m now totality 20 003 victimes

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 875	Posted - 2013.07.01 15:47:00 - [171] - Quote Sigh, I'm travelling this week... so no PS3... so no DUST... so no new kills for me. All I can do is troll in the forums.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.07.01 16:21:00 - [172] - Quote 1.2 tomorrow hopefully those new maps give us some advantage hmm? also the explosives are getting fixed so good for my mass driver/remote explosives yes?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 147	Posted - 2013.07.01 20:32:00 - [173] - Quote July 1st, 19:00 - Killboard Updated Accolades: Ratchetman a rassembl+¬ des larmes de 20,000th victime, augmentant la chance de rencontrer une +¬lite +á 00,16%. (RatchetMan has collected 20,000+ Tears, increasing the odds of Elite Scout encounter to 00.16%.) Announcements: Received confirmation that Legendary Scout Stelli0s (ranked #1) has left the Scout Community. Top Ten by KDR: #01 - 12.35 - Pandora Mars (210 / 17) #02 - 7.02 - T- Brown (28508 / 4060) #03 - 5.68 - Icedslayer (14632 / 2576) #04 - 5.65 - Decasor (1717 / 5.65) #05 - 4.95 - Obi Wan-Jacobi (25817 / 5215) #06 - 4.53 - BeefBones (10310 / 2276) #07 - 4.46 - Tyjus Vacca (14165 / 3176) #08 - 4.45 - Chilled Pill (19203 / 4315) #09 - 4.40 - Djinn Marauder (33345 / 7578) #10 - 4.26 - Lightning xVx (26465 / 6212) Notes: Due to character limitation, the Killboard minimum requirement will eventually be increased from 1000 to 1250.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 333	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:40:00 - [174] - Quote Catching up to me are you shotty? Can't have that
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 161	Posted - 2013.07.02 19:00:00 - [175] - Quote Uprising 1.2 and You Warning: Everything can kill you, now more easily than ever before. The Registry is anticipating massive scout casualties in the coming days. Your stats will be tracked and reported. Survival Tips: Ranged weapons now pose enormous threat. CQC Scouts should not charge at hostiles unless undetected. Better mechanics means you're now easier to hit. Dodging and Evasion ain't what they used to be. Speed tanking can get you in close, but it won't get you out safely. Hostiles can gun you down at any range or speed. Try tossing nades; they're more reliable now. Try drawing your sidearm; swap speed is now close to instantaneous. Try the shotgun. Its range and hit detection have improved. o7, Shotty GoBang
mollerz Minja Scouts 546	Posted - 2013.07.02 19:12:00 - [176] - Quote I kind of feel like weapon swapping is too instantaneous. It is nice, but it's unrealistic enough to break immersion. for me at least.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 126	Posted - 2013.07.02 19:46:00 - [177] - Quote Have to confirm - Snuck home and had an extended lunch to get in some time. I hope CCP gives the light frame class a .2 m/s or .3 m/s movement speed increase and a .5 m/s sprint speed increase to at least let the suits feel as before and aid a bit in evading battles. After a game or two I got the hang of it but would much prefer feeling zippy again. Hit detection much improved but bullet fall off working as expected. I was tickled by an HMG and was able to stay just outside his range and was also able to escape and SMG while feeling it. AR's can be an issue though. Also a shame about Novas - I got behind a guy and wasnt able to get him after 2-3 swings so I just pulled out my AR. Another time I got 2 opponents at an objective but my swings completely missed the first guy. Killed one but got blasted by the other. Another time it worked perfectly so it is kind of hit and miss at the moment. Want to try new modules but sadly my Adv cant support them in my setup. 3x weekend came just in time.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 336	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:02:00 - [178] - Quote We will adapt we will survive just as we have in the past, and just as we shall in the future. DEFY ASSAULT 514 BROTHERS DO NOT JOIN THEIR RANKS!!!
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 215	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:07:00 - [179] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: We will adapt we will survive just as we have in the past, and just as we shall in the future. DEFY ASSAULT 514 BROTHERS DO NOT JOIN THEIR RANKS!!! But I wanna be OP.
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 115	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:23:00 - [180] - Quote At least they need to give back the scout the module they havec before in chromosome, 3/3 and gal 2/4 and add the same cpu to both i think that can be a good start and even enough



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