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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:

Mister Goo wrote:

I like, maybe even change the PE further instead of placing only 1 mine for 800-1200 damage maybe have one drop spread out 3 mines totaling the 800-1200 damage to get better coverage for same damage profile. being able to cover the bridge with 3 mines instead of using 6.

Kind of like cluster mines? Would be interesting! That's a more mechanical (ie, heavy code change) approach that would be cool, though I was focusing my suggestion on the numbers that would be easily alterable (ie, Hotfixable) but I am definitely down with that idea!

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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Kallas Hallytyr wrote:

Mister Goo wrote:

I like, maybe even change the PE further instead of placing only 1 mine for 800-1200 damage maybe have one drop spread out 3 mines totaling the 800-1200 damage to get better coverage for same damage profile. being able to cover the bridge with 3 mines instead of using 6.

Kind of like cluster mines? Would be interesting! That's a more mechanical (ie, heavy code change) approach that would be cool, though I was focusing my suggestion on the numbers that would be easily alterable (ie, Hotfixable) but I am definitely down with that idea!

Hmm...what would the total carried # need to be if you went to the distributed damage model to make this viable? i.e. less dmg per PE but put out more PEs.

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Zaria Min Deir wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Kallas Hallytyr wrote:

Mister Goo wrote:

I like, maybe even change the PE further instead of placing only 1 mine for 800-1200 damage maybe have one drop spread out 3 mines totaling the 800-1200 damage to get better coverage for same damage profile. being able to cover the bridge with 3 mines instead of using 6.

Kind of like cluster mines? Would be interesting! That's a more mechanical (ie, heavy code change) approach that would be cool, though I was focusing my suggestion on the numbers that would be easily alterable (ie, Hotfixable) but I am definitely down with that idea!

Hmm...what would the total carried # need to be if you went to the distributed damage model to make this viable? i.e. less dmg per PE but put out more PEs.

Honestly, here we run into not only an issue with the newly introduced bandwidth, but also the risk-reward ratio of a much longer deployment time of an actually effective proxy trap. Yes, laying down a mine field that can instapop a tank shouldn't be risk free OR instanteneous, but it should be viable and not leave the logi vulnerable and unavailable for other tasks for too long either. Current model of having to equip multiple sets, drop down all of the carried from one, then swap, then deploy another set, maybe get on a hive to resuply to be able to deploy the rest (as max carried is always lower than max active, bizarrely) is in itself far from optimal... making this take even longer is in my opinion not desirable. Yes, increasing max carried would help, but I still prefer the model of fewer, but stronger explosives you have to place carefully, over spammable vehicle damage WP farming silliness.

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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

ishtellian wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

ishtellian wrote:

I think all logis should have like a 3% bonus to all equipment use excluding their racial equipment, but than with their racial equipment they get a 5% - 10% bonus per level, this means that specializing will be obviously better but you would still be fairly useful using a scanner with a Amarr logi suit.

I think Logis should have a racial defence buff also, alongside a buff to armor regen, Gallente would get a very nice buff to armor regen and maybe even a % bonus per level, Caldari could get a recharge delay reduction or maybe HP increase, Amar could get a HP increase or a maybe even a damage resist bonus, Minmitar could maybe get a faster and more agile suit or shield recharge rate. These could help make Logis able to keep themselves alive without directly increasing their EHP.

I dont think even with 5x Complex reps should a suit be able to comepletely tank anyone weapon, but combined with strafing and avoiding damage the suit should have a highly noticeable bonus to its survivability.

Ive only read the first few page of comments so sorry if I repeat information.

I've offered a couple variations of that in the past and the big concern is that we might homogenize the racial logis a little too much.

I like the idea in concept, however, you might be able to find some similar options equally attractive:
1) Give all logis a bonus to repping, just not the same bonus. You could vary it by range or rep intensity; you would need to then create something like a bonus to RE / PE for the Min Logi.

2) Tie different bonuses on cross racial themes. Cal gets hive bonus and a scanner bonus, Amarr gets uplink bonus and rep bonus, Gal gets scans and uplinks, and Min gets uplinks and reps. Basically retain the current racial bonus but add a cross-racial secondary bonus.

The key is to give a different or perhaps lesser bonus on the secondary...example Cal scanner would bonus to range not precision, Min uplinks would give additional spawns not reduce spawn time, etc.

This also gives each logi both an active and passive equipment type they they are focused on.

I like this but if you play Eve at all, doing this kinda kills possible Pirate faction suits in the future, for example the worm is a pirate faction ship from Guristas its caldari bonus is a bonus to shield resist and its gallente bonus is a bonus to missile damage, its a caldari hull using drones heavily and missiles.

But I do like the idea of all logis having their own bonus to repping since reps imo should be one of the main jobs, keeping the other guys alive.

Maybe Minmatar could get one bonus rep target per suit level, +1 at STD, +2 at ADV, and +3 at PRO, kinda because lore wise, minmitar have huge numbers.

Gallente could get bonus to rep strength, they dont need a range icnrease because Gall is usually upclose melting face ( Plasma Thrower please )

Caldari could get a range increase because their generally longer range than the other races.

Amarr could give their rep target like 2-5% bonus resist per suit level, because amarr ships have resist bonus in Eve ( not all of them but alot compared to other races )

I do like the active/passive equipment focus for each suit tho.

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Auris Lionesse wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

ishtellian wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

ishtellian wrote:

I think all logis should have like a 3% bonus to all equipment use excluding their racial equipment, but than with their racial equipment they get a 5% - 10% bonus per level, this means that specializing will be obviously better but you would still be fairly useful using a scanner with a Amarr logi suit.

I think Logis should have a racial defence buff also, alongside a buff to armor regen, Gallente would get a very nice buff to armor regen and maybe even a % bonus per level, Caldari could get a recharge delay reduction or maybe HP increase, Amar could get a HP increase or a maybe even a damage resist bonus, Minmitar could maybe get a faster and more agile suit or shield recharge rate. These could help make Logis able to keep themselves alive without directly increasing their EHP.

I dont think even with 5x Complex reps should a suit be able to comepletely tank anyone weapon, but combined with strafing and avoiding damage the suit should have a highly noticeable bonus to its survivability.

Ive only read the first few page of comments so sorry if I repeat information.

I've offered a couple variations of that in the past and the big concern is that we might homogenize the racial logis a little too much.

I like the idea in concept, however, you might be able to find some similar options equally attractive:
1) Give all logis a bonus to repping, just not the same bonus. You could vary it by range or rep intensity; you would need to then create something like a bonus to RE / PE for the Min Logi.

2) Tie different bonuses on cross racial themes. Cal gets hive bonus and a scanner bonus, Amarr gets uplink bonus and rep bonus, Gal gets scans and uplinks, and Min gets uplinks and reps. Basically retain the current racial bonus but add a cross-racial secondary bonus.

The key is to give a different or perhaps lesser bonus on the secondary...example Cal scanner would bonus to range not precision, Min uplinks would give additional spawns not reduce spawn time, etc.

This also gives each logi both an active and passive equipment type they they are focused on.

I like this but if you play Eve at all, doing this kinda kills possible Pirate faction suits in the future, for example the worm is a pirate faction ship from Guristas its caldari bonus is a bonus to shield resist and its gallente bonus is a bonus to missile damage, its a caldari hull using drones heavily and missiles.

But I do like the idea of all logis having their own bonus to repping since reps imo should be one of the main jobs, keeping the other guys alive.

Maybe Minmatar could get one bonus rep target per suit level, +1 at STD, +2 at ADV, and +3 at PRO, kinda because lore wise, minmitar have huge numbers.

Gallente could get bonus to rep strength, they dont need a range icnrease because Gall is usually upclose melting face ( Plasma Thrower please )

Caldari could get a range increase because their generally longer range than the other races.

Amarr could give their rep target like 2-5% bonus resist per suit level, because amarr ships have resist bonus in Eve ( not all of them but alot compared to other races )

I do like the active/passive equipment focus for each suit tho.

I am passably familiar with Eve.

I fly with Agony Unleashed, come visit us in Catch.

give ccp ratatti your code and teach him to play, guy thinks dropsuits shouldnt be balanced by eve ships. smh

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Zaria Min Deir wrote:

RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:

It has been too long for Cross, I hope he is ok.

I have several of the APEX suits. For the logistics characters I hate the gear slot set up. I believe there was a thread out there that addressed it and seeing if we could change the slot layout of the equipment to be universal on the Apex Logis.

Counting the equipment slots with 1 being at the bottom and 4 (3 for Cal and Amar) being on the far right,
I preferr my Repair Tool to be 4 (3)
and my Nanite injector to be 1
and the variables to be placed in the middle.

I could even go with Repper 4 (3)
and Injector 3 (2)
and the variants in 1 and 2 (1)

I like to play around and I believe that keeping the equipment layout the same between logis (I guess scouts would fit in there too). So it doesn't take me extra time to find what I need.
My layout is so scripted I don't even look on my regular fits, in less than a second I have what I need and I'm just waiting on the animation.

Any guidance for a thread that talks about this?



Otherwise - Cross, please at it to the 'to do list' :)

Thanks

Perhaps this is yet another example of the people designing the game not having played it enough to understand many of the mechanics... Like the fact that, for a logi, order of the equipment in the slots can make a huge difference, particularly with any lag involved on top of the already clunky equipment wheel.
Though I would remind you, there is no universal equipment layout, every logi makes their own, so your preferred order would be annoying to someone else. Though I guess if it was at least consistent between different APEX suits, that would be at least logical (too logical for CCP?)
Pretty much, the issue here is that APEX suits are what they are, BPO suits that are noncustomisable. You knew what you were buing... well, except for yhe (minor) issue, when it comes to the APEX suits, of there being no way to know what you are buying in-game

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Zaria Min Deir wrote:

RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:

It has been too long for Cross, I hope he is ok.

I have several of the APEX suits. For the logistics characters I hate the gear slot set up. I believe there was a thread out there that addressed it and seeing if we could change the slot layout of the equipment to be universal on the Apex Logis.

Counting the equipment slots with 1 being at the bottom and 4 (3 for Cal and Amar) being on the far right,
I preferr my Repair Tool to be 4 (3)
and my Nanite injector to be 1
and the variables to be placed in the middle.

I could even go with Repper 4 (3)
and Injector 3 (2)
and the variants in 1 and 2 (1)

I like to play around and I believe that keeping the equipment layout the same between logis (I guess scouts would fit in there too). So it doesn't take me extra time to find what I need.
My layout is so scripted I don't even look on my regular fits, in less than a second I have what I need and I'm just waiting on the animation.

Any guidance for a thread that talks about this?



Otherwise - Cross, please at it to the 'to do list' :)

Thanks

Perhaps this is yet another example of the people designing the game not having played it enough to understand many of the mechanics... Like the fact that, for a logi, order of the equipment in the slots can make a huge difference, particularly with any lag involved on top of the already clunky equipment wheel.
Though I would remind you, there is no universal equipment layout, every logi makes their own, so your preferred order would be annoying to someone else. Though I guess if it was at least consistent between different APEX suits, that would be at least logical (too logical for CCP?)
Pretty much, the issue here is that APEX suits are what they are, BPO suits that are noncustomisable. You knew what you were buing... well, except for the (minor) issue, when it comes to the APEX suits, of there being no way to know what you are buying in-game

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