He does have a point though. Buffs to support modules and such are kind of moot if the suit designed to be best with them is still flawed. Although I think shayz meant more along the lines of "support that isn't exclusively logistics suits" which is a valid point.

Give an innate explosive damage resistance; this would need to be increased through the tiers, 5, 10, 20% through STD, ADV, PROTO respectively.

You're insane, Cross.

Also, Cross, I'd love to get you to commit to an opinion on one topic (which you can obviously change in the future).

One of the bigger and longer running discussions regarding the logi suits, and one I'm particularly interested in, has been the equipment efficacy bonuses. With only three main options put forward recently, it's fairly easy to state a concrete opinion on, unlike more complicated issues like eHP and "survivability"

Throw me a bone here and at least tell me what you personally like the sound of:

1) Keep the bonuses as is, one suit, one equipment bonus.

2) Give each suit a bonus to two types of equipment. One primary bonus, one (smaller) secondary bonus.

3) Every suit gets a small bonus to each type of equipment in addition to the current primary bonus.

You also have to be careful to avoid over homogenizing the Logistics as well though. Even with some racial focus, if they all get +3% to all equipment but a +5% to their racial equipment...well then they don't feel very unique anymore. That being said I think Logistics do need more options, while still maintaining strong individuality. One suggestion I've made in the past is to the give all Logistics the Repair Tool Bonus, and then replace the Minmatar bonus with something like Remotes/Proxy mines. Because Explosions. You may be even go as far as the other poster suggested and add a secondary but lesser bonus, so essentially your Proto Logi setup would look like:

Repair Tool: Full Bonus
Racial Equipment: Full Bonus
Sub-Racial Equipment: Partial Bonus
4th Equipment: No Bonus

Thank you, I'm glad we established that


This is actually why some of my responses seem so unsatisfying, because the low hanging fruit will come first and until a tech evaluation I won't really know which items those turn out to be. Like the injector WP scaling that I have wanted since closed beta, it turns out there is a tech barrier to what would otherwise, conceptually, be some pretty obvious low hanging fruit.

Besides, isn't it a lot more satisfying to get a blue post saying "these are the proposed changes for the hotfix" than me saying "these are the changes I'm going to propose be proposed for the hotfix, presuming there are no unknown tech hang ups"

Skill Bonus. It's been 9 months of me saying this: They need to be comprehensive.
The Logistics suits need to be the best at using all equipment. Not just a single one.
Fire the idiot, even if it was LogiBro, that thought it was a good idea or even acceptable to have these split up.
It's not even complicated.

- Caldari Logistics: +10% to nanohive maximum nanites and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level. and +2% to active scan angle per level. and 5% to repair amount per leveland +2 to maximum spawn count per level

- Gallente Logistics: +10% to active scanner visibility duration and +2% to active scan angle per level. and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level and 5% to repair amount per level and +2 to maximum spawn count per level

- Minmatar Logistics: +10% to repair tool range and 5% to repair amount per level. and +2% to active scan angle per level. and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level and +2 to maximum spawn count per level

- Amarr Logistics: 10% reduction to drop uplink spawn time and +2 to maximum spawn count per level. and +2% to active scan angle per level. and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level and 5% to repair amount per level

I think some tweaks like

* Lowered prices for proto equipment (in line with nanite injector cost)
* Increase the fitting cost of most proto equipment
* increase the logistics fitting bonus to compensate

then we'd see a lot more logistics suits running higher tier equipment, because they would be the only ones who could run them without compromising their fit.

I run full proto equipment, raising the fitting cost means that I won't be able to do so.........

I think you might have some unhappy minmatar logis then

OK, if your proto equipment totals 100CPU+20PG normally, your logistics bonus would turn that into 75CPU+15PG.

If the bonus was changed from -5%/level to -10%/level but all proto equipment fitting cost is half again, then it becomes


150CPU+30 -> -50% due to skills -> 75CPU+15PG.

No net change.

If we get anything out of this thread let it be known the Logistics should get bonuses to all equipment, some more than others based on suits race,

You also have to be careful to avoid over homogenizing the Logistics as well though. Even with some racial focus, if they all get +3% to all equipment but a +5% to their racial equipment...well then they don't feel very unique anymore. That being said I think Logistics do need more options, while still maintaining strong individuality. One suggestion I've made in the past is to the give all Logistics the Repair Tool Bonus, and then replace the Minmatar bonus with something like Remotes/Proxy mines. Because Explosions. You may be even go as far as the other poster suggested and add a secondary but lesser bonus, so essentially your Proto Logi setup would look like:

Repair Tool: Full Bonus
Racial Equipment: Full Bonus
Sub-Racial Equipment: Partial Bonus
4th Equipment: No Bonus

Primary: suit. Assault
Secondary suit: Logistics

both Gallente obviously.

And this post will be full of unpopular opinions.

Nanite Injector:
Besides the fact that they should be Gallente I feel that Injectors should have recharge time per use. With that I feel that they should also be able to be used on yourself as well but have the effect devalued by 60% on a functioning clone, i.e. the player.
Makes sense seeing as it's a canister and not a tube linked to the suit,no to the self injecting too easily abused

Nanohives:
The Compact Nanohive's cluster amount needs to be increased. I'm completely fine with only carrying one since it can replenish both armor and ammo.

No,this would enable too much solo game play. It would effectively decrease the need of support.

Active Scanners:
More Variants needed.
I feel that the Active scanners should come in three categories, Long range [+125m] and short angle [<60-¦], Shorter ranged [<100m] and wide angles [>90-¦], and lastly scanners in between.
Besides that there is the matter of ewarfare to be looked at but that's a little bit too much to go into with a post I'd like to be relatively short.

More options are always better than less,as long as the differences are made clear.


Native Regen for Logistics suits:
All Logistics suits should get a native repair of 2 hps and give Gallente Logistics an additional two more.

100% agree,it'll help when a logi is being shot at while repping.

As for the bonuses it's already been said best by another poster:


NO,all this will do is eradicate certain logistics. EG,Amarr with Min reps + uplinks = 0 need for any other logistics.

Full suit respecs you say?

It isn't CCPs fault you took those refunded points and went into the wrong suit.

Lesser bonuses are fine,but full isn't.

If this happens i'll want a suit respec so i can go back to Gal,where my survival rate is higher.

I'm...confused. When did I mention a respec?

Remotes: game breaking. Need to be changed so you have to sKet them and wait

Uplinks: protos need more HP

Nanohives: protos need more HP. I heard the ones that rep and give ammo break when heavies use them. They get sucked up too fast giving them ammo? Not sure.

Nanite Injectors: just needs better "hit" detection and please find a way to get rid of the indicators that send me on a deadly wild goose chase to an empty spot with a needle icon on it.

Thanks for again for focusing on this!

Unattended equipment should be easy to destroy. they do not "require more HP."

Nor does it need to be easier for people to stand inside triage hives and have them weather a mass driver barrage intended to remove them from play.

Equipment doesn't need more HP
Proto equipment just needs a lower profile.

Let's reward PLACEMENT rather than spamming in open areas. By hiding your uplink well, it won't show up on scans or passives as long as you're using the best of the best...that's what I want.