I'm not feeling the passive VS active Logi idea...

In short: The passive logi will just become a much worse version of an assault/scout after all his equipment is used. The current mechanics don't even allow the passive logi to switch suits or he will lose his racial bonus. All this while the active logi will have benefits from their undestroyable/mobile/infinite usage equipment.

Callogi will need even more CPU for it's sidearm, while it's not even 100% sure they wil adjust the crap CPU of the suit after all the warnings just out of fear of a slayer logi and shield tanking is still too CPU extensive en suckt compared to armor tanking.

Seems that an assault with a rep tool might be more useful than my callogi.

This game is getting more cookie cutter like with every update.

Just some unlikely idea: If we have to keep our bonuses...maybe they could change the way how equipment works. Make all equipment unlimited use but with some kind of cool-down period for it's next usage, more like the scanner and cloak. Limit maximum active equipment of deployable items per type and maybe let them be destroyed when switching to another suit that hasn't got the equipment currently deployed (fixes spamming aswell, win-win), this way the caldari/amarr logi can keep it's bonus playing the game without needing to restock at the supply depot and losing their bonus.

Scanners are squad only, maybe allow it to be visual for a few seconds for the whole team aswell?

Perhaps I'm just lucky but even when actively trying to create the equipment lag situation (several full proto logi deploying everything they could around the underground bunker depot) I have yet to encounter this myself which makes me strongly wonder if the equipment/lag correlation isn't either a false positive or more complex than simply 'more equip = more lag'.

However, even with my own testing regimes giving a negative result on that correlation, there is clearly still something happening and this serves as a good reminder to investigate further and talk with CCP about it in greater depth.

Cheers,
Cross

This has been delayed due to an unexpected tech barrier.

Logistics Mk.0

Injectors:
WP as incentive is nice,but if a MLT frame can walk up and tap O to negate your Pro needle then the problem still remains.
Doesn't really help shield tankers.
-Need a needle priority system that uses the HIGHEST level needle when reviving.
-Possibly reduce the amount of armor refilled and give a comperable amount of shields instead.

Rep tool:
Neon "kill me" sign.
Can't outrep a MLT weapon with a Pro rep tool.
Places logistics firmly on the frontlines of combat with its insanely short reach.
Provides 0 incentive other than WP farming.
Allies don't know they're being repaired.
Doesn't really help shield tankers.
-Remove the rep tool line to aid in logistics survival,leave the lock on boxes.
-Give damage resistance while using (something like 65% to all damage)
-Increase range by dramatic amounts for the logistics class.
-Return the rep tool glow,but have it work like hit detection so an ally can see which side they are being repaired from
-Negate shield recharge delays while used on allies,or recharge 25% of shields per hp/s restored. (eg sixkin 88 hp/s so 25% of 88) possibly reduce armor repair rate to compensate. Presto a rep tool that helps shield and armor.

Hives - Any-
Too easily destroyed by any stray explosions.
Low carrying capacity.
Low refilling amounts. (nanites)
Annoying when a MLT frame stands on top throwing grenades at no one to use them faster.
-Explosive resistance increase so it actually takes effort to destroy them.
-+1 carried per level logistics bonus
-Increased nanites -or- burst variants that refill faster but have lower nanites (think compact nanohives).
-Disable grenades being refilled

Scanners:
Dat cooldown.
-Nuff' said

Uplinks:
Actually alright

R.E.s:
The description says volitile chemicals yet i see scouts throw them from hights taller than their own suit,and sling them as if they are throwing frisbees.
Are considered equipment yet can be refilled at nanohives.
-Have them explode killing only the thrower if dropped from too high a height or slung with too much momentum
-Disable refilling from hives

Logistics suits:
30 more eHP than a scout
Slower than heavier tanked mediums
Bigger hitbox despite having less eHP
Doesn't have the best regen despite having less eHP
Doesn't have the best eHP despite its speed.
When run as a support unit it costs easily 2x as much with 1/2 the survival


Since logistics has more in common with scouts (ewar,equipment) logistics should be made to mimic them.

-Keep the low eHP but in exchange give speed/stamina,regen amount and speed,and a smaller hitbox.
This way it establishes a theme,support is fast and evasive,while killing is strong and durable.

-Cut equipment costs by 50% minimal



Based on personal experience,i would prefer to be harder to hit with better regen than have higher eHP.
eHP just makes it too tempting to fight instead of support.

1) It may create some hate eye pointed at me but we should make RE's an option to carry in the Grenade slot instead of an equipment slot. Hear me out...you skill into it via the weapon tree and it uses the same access skills as the grenade. Why is it considered an equipment slot? There is also something about making you choose between your Core Locus, Wyrikomi AV grenade, or standard variant RE (that is more lethal then either of those two previously noted offerings!)

Swarm Launchers

1) Velocity of swarm missiles needs to noticeably increase...Drop ships outrunning swarms borders on the ridiculous. I'm pretty deep into SP investment for SLs and honestly the damage they deliver now is adequate but delivering the damage to a drop ship in particular is very sketchy.

2) Lock range of SLs need a very mild increase. Recommendation would be to increase the lock range to 200m...the additional 25m's of range would be very well received and open up engagement opportunities noticeably.

This is the saddest thing I have read in a while. That's what I get for getting my hopes up...

Whenever I happen to come across such a display of dumbassery, I do what any logical person would. Which is to say, oh I don't know... maybe pack one of those undervalued grenades, what were thay again? Ahh, yes, Flux grenades. They have a decent range, destroy equipment, and you carry two with a basic varient. The spam has a rather effective counter, but not everyone uses it. So if you could squeeze some fluxes on to one of your suits, or alert a squadmate, maybe try telling your logi to pack some fluxes; then you will find that the spam can be combated to a degree of managable circumstances.

To be honest, any contested objective should be thoroughly fluxed before the first heavy waddles onto the scene.
(This isn't just for breakin stuff. This is for anyone whom has a similar problem with spamming equipment.)

Howdy Ya'll, Proto Minmatar logibro here.

I had an idea based on what I perceived each races combat philosophy to be. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Amar: Mid range, slow moving continuous firefights.
Give the (it hurts to type this) repp tool bonus that the Minlogi has to them. It never made much sense to give it to the logi with the lowest health and have them in the front lines. It would be better served on the most combat oriented Logistics suit, paired with the Sentinel with the highest armor HP. They would be a terror on the battlefield.

Caldari: Long ranged, sustained engagements
Keep the bonus to nanite injectors. Also the one to ammo nanohives, but add increase amount carried buy 1 per lvl. This would help when setting up forward and defensive positions. It will also allow for the Calogi to move with the battle as the situation dictates.

Gallente: Short range, quick CQ brawlers
I always thought the Galogi bonus was a little weak(the fact that its tied to the scanner, not the bonus itself), so I suggest also giving them the Calogi bonus to Armor Repair nano-hives. Give them this, but not the +1 per. This would help get Federation soldiers back in the fight faster after a brush up as well as allowing the them to know weather a counter offensive was inbound.

Minmatar: Quick, hit and run Guerrilla warfare
While the repper bonus is awesome, giving it to the Amlogi is (IMO) the best thing to do. So what about the Minlogi? Give them a minor(very minor I.E +1% damage per lvl) bonus to remotes/proxies and also the Amlogi's droplink bonus. Now before True starts with the "the droplinks are Amar tech" jabba wabba, hear me out.

The Minmatar are about speed. Hit them hard, fast, and bug out. The bonuses I described would best fit their guerrilla tactic style of play. Setting an ambush on a supply convoy with proxie's, RE's in and around the road, with droplinks set in strategic locations. Then spawning in just as the frist proxy's blow. That to me sounds very Matari.


So you other logi's mull it over and let me know.