+1 Pokey
Very good analyses of the current situation and side arm logis are not the answer.

CCP (specifically R and Logibro) have been very engaged with the CPM so far and honestly I'm happy to report the biggest constrained we've faced in getting ideas iterated has been more resource/tech than a willingness on their part to be receptive or interactive.

I agree a conceptual roadmap, for logis, support in general, or even roles more broadly, would be useful, even if we don't end up with a full description I am hopeful we can at minimum get some form of hotfix level outline before too long (all times are obviously subjective because of the many factors in play but it is high on my list of things I'd like to see moved forward).

I'm glad to see the level of participation in this thread and would like to extend my thanks to everyone in the community who has taken the time to constructively articulate concepts related to this theme.

Moving forward I will be focusing more heavily on compiling the ideas already present into a comprehensive/actionable "TL;DR" for CCP and the rest of the CPM. Even that being the case, please do not feel as if discussion in this thread must, or even should, cease as I will still have an eye on new developments here (the other will simply be focused on that write up ).

Cheers,
Cross

Sidenote:I see you're trying to blow off and deflect from any relevant suit buffs to logistics.
You can better the support experience dramatically by fixing the suits first.
Trying to call it an 'arguement' is a lowbrow strategy trying to get off the subject of buffs for logistics,which are severely needed.Go somewhere else with your 'subterfuge'.

You also have to be careful to avoid over homogenizing the Logistics as well though. Even with some racial focus, if they all get +3% to all equipment but a +5% to their racial equipment...well then they don't feel very unique anymore. That being said I think Logistics do need more options, while still maintaining strong individuality. One suggestion I've made in the past is to the give all Logistics the Repair Tool Bonus, and then replace the Minmatar bonus with something like Remotes/Proxy mines. Because Explosions. You may be even go as far as the other poster suggested and add a secondary but lesser bonus, so essentially your Proto Logi setup would look like:

Repair Tool: Full Bonus
Racial Equipment: Full Bonus
Sub-Racial Equipment: Partial Bonus
4th Equipment: No Bonus

If we get anything out of this thread let it be known the Logistics should get bonuses to all equipment, some more than others based on suits race,

I'm...confused. When did I mention a respec?

I think a case could be made for having the Logistics suits be the "light" Medium frames while the Assault suits are the "heavy" Medium frames.

I would be interested in hearing community debate/input on that specific sub-topic.

I do want to emphasize however that both the Medium frames should very much remain Medium to preserve role values, but things to make Logi/Assault more unique from each other and more of a specialization choice seems worth looking at.

These posts?
#1 & #2

Counter point noted, care to elaborate a bit more for the sake of discussion?

The more clearly articulated a community view I can present to CCP the better case can be made for either change.

I think messing with the hitbox in any case is just bad practice. Then suddenly you have a situation where bullets are appearing to hit the model, but are not colliding with the hitbox. Not only does it not make sense aesthetically, but it causes gameplay issues where its unclear what part of the enemy model is 'hittable' and what isn't. While some variation in Model vs Hitbox will occure between genders and races, the difference is small enough to be non issue. Hitbox needs to be dictated by the frame size and that alone.

At this point, fear or "Slayer Logis" is unmeritied. It's clear that CCP is moving towards a standardized slot layouts for frames as a whole, and we'll likely see Logistics suits matching their Assault counterparts very soon. That being said, all Assaults recently had a 100 HP increase. Logistics previously had around 50 HP less than their Assault counterpart (varied slightly by race), and that difference has now increased to around 150 post-Charlie. In addition, Assaults now have similar PG/CPU compared to their Logistics counterparts.

So Here's what you've got

Assaults
150 More Hp Than Logistics
Similar Slots
Similar Fitting
Only need to fit 1 equipment
Reduction to Light/Grenade Fitting offsets Sidearm cost.
Higher Speed
High Stamina

Look at that, generally there is physically no way for a Logistics to have significantly more HP than its Assault counterpart. Logis still need to fill the same number of slots, as well as 2-3 additional equipment. Even if they don't fit the equipment, their defenses cant exceed the Assault much because they have similar slots. EVen if you gave the Logistics the same 100 HP bonus, they fall short of the Assault in terms of survivability if they use equipment, and come close to matching if they don't.

Personal opinion here, give Logis the same 100 HP bonus, bringing the average HP difference between Assaults and Logis back to around 50HP. Increase fitting bonus from 25% to 50%. This means a logi using 4 equipment really only has to fit 2 effectivly, since two of them are 'free'. So here's the fitting comparison (Minmatar for an example since that's the one I'm most used to)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14uuIpinpRTM-RsPQdIb8bfkZ74eOYyZrLZUIoF87jeA/edit?usp=sharing

Looking at that, Logis have sub-par base HP but to a lesser degree and this is fine. Since slots and resources are the same, Logis can't skip equipment to gain better defenses than an assault, but the fitting reduction for the equipment is higher, meaning that they really only need to fit one more equipment worth of PG/CPU on than the ASsault. Admiditly the savings on Light Weapons and Grenades probably isnt enough to completely offset the Assault's sidearm, so the Assaults need to partially fit a sidearm, and Logis need to full fit an additional equipment (which will cut in to their defenses slightly, but that's also OK). So what you have now is a Logi that can fit similar defenses to that of an Assault, but not exceed, and not be completely weighed down by the cost of his equipment.

Making it so that you dont need to be in Cal/Am Logi for the bonus as they have been tainted with the essence of that logi

I'd still rather have racially themed bonuses for equipment.

Here's my ideas for the other races (in no particular order)

Minmatar (speed)
-Reduced spawn time for uplinks
-Faster recharge for scanners
-Increased repair rate for repair tools

Amarr (endurance)
-Increased nanite capacity for nanohives
-Increased visible duration for scanners
-Increased spawn count for uplinks

Caldari (ranged support)
-Increased range for repair tools
-Longer range for scanners
-Larger raidus for nanohives

Gallente (direct support)
-Lower precision for Scanners
-Increased resupply/repair rate for Nanohives
-Increased repair rate for repair tools
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I decided to give two races the repair tool bonus as there's only two ways you can increase the effectiveness of the repair tool. Uplinks are the same way, but between the two I'm guessing Gallente logistics would rather have the repair tool bonus to match their bonus to repair rate of nanohives.

Wait, how is it not hotfixable? I thought we just changed around the scout bonuses...how is this not any different?

Minmatar could get faster resupply/repair rate for nanohives instead of the gallente, but I have no idea what to give the gallente for the third bonus.

But where do you put the uplink bonus? Reduced spawn time doesn't fit with Amarr at all, and the gallente might be okay with it, but it doesn't make much sense for this "racial theme".

The bonus could also be reduced because it's with the minmatar, while the bonus to uplink spawn count could be increased for the Amarr.

I'd rather have these sort of bonuses applied to the skills, or a separate skill (like proficiency), but THAT is the kind of thing that would be better for Legion and isn't at all possible for a hotfix.

I'm good with this.

According to your signature link, Combat Rifles.

Enslaving every other race for 700 years?

On behalf half of all Minmatar...


Get bent.

Cheersh.

Also...

"Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!"

Man, you guys got all bent up about spam and spam solutions when I stated and have restated that the raising of SP cost to enter Logistics would have a peripheral, ie. in addition to, benefit in limiting spam. Go back and read the first couple of pages of this thread and the countless other thread posted about buffing Logi stats. Pay close attention to the critisisms, to the posters talking about useless logis, spamming logis, WP whoring logis and how we don't desrve to be on equal footing in the battlefield because of those poor examples of logis behave. This idea is to address THAT.






LOL DUDE. Your "counter-argument" PROVES MY CONCEPT.

The spammer, who wants to spam NOT spend, instead of grabbing an easily accessible logi frame of his choice, instead grabs a scout suit. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, LOGI SPAM DETERRED!! See wha' jus' hoppent thar'??!!?!?

The spammer now spams 2/3 the equip he would have, the spammed equipment is 0 bonused since it came off a scout and not a logi, and ultimately he likely receives fewer WP for his spamming effort since his equip spammed is lower quality and quantity than if he'd done it from a logi frame. And maybe, just maybe when spammer finds his spam rewards reduced he'll figure some sort of more worthwhile method of getting WP (like maybe hacking something?) and transition away from cheap spam tactics and into more relevant in-battle behaviour.

And again, over and over, limiting equipment spamming is only ONE possible, partial benefit. Will newbros look at it and shake their heads? Sure. But if they're serious about coming logi then it won't really matter. The SERIOUS will still join. And the posers will find other pastures.

Thanks for the response and clarification Cross. It seemed weird the way it come across especially in light of this thread and I know sometimes Rattati comes across short and to the point

Anyway i've been trying these brick tank logis that everyone says they see and I can honestly say that I ******* hate them. How any body manages to play logi waddling around like a crap heavy with EQ slots is beyond me, i have been getting my arse handed to me ( more than normal ) back to kincats for me before i loose the will to logi.

Quick one while i'm here, over the last week I've noticed an annoying trend. Mainly the mass spam of uplinks in just about every conceivable location, by that i mean worse than normal. I was wondering whether this was linked to the increase in WP requirement for OB's and organised squads trying to milk every last WP to get an OB? Unintended side effect or my bad luck in running into uplink spamming squads.

Action + result + repeatability = confirmation

People farming vehicle damage is a different issue... And I never suggested taking anything away, just to balance the rewards from related actions.

(Amarrs is so tricksy.)

No. It just makes for a larger sample size and further confirms the issue. You said as much yourself... The first thought of the majority of players is something like, "Ooh a multiple SP event. I wonder how I can wring maximum rewards from this thing... I know - I'll spam Uplinks!" You can set your watch to it.

Its only farming vehicle damage if you are actively aiming to drive them off like a yo-yo.

Still a useful behavior assisting the team.

I aim for the kill, personally. Killing half a dozen expensive vehicles is hilarious. You dont have to farm them. If you shoot to kill at all times you help your team immensely while racking up the kills and WP.

Farming vehicle damage would require a qsync in FW where your payouts are static, unaffected by killboard position, and where OB are unaffected by WP. Once rattati puts the new matchmaking into effect if you see people doing it report them for boosting.

Demonsbane your antagonistic, murderous bad attitude towards boosters has been noted and found giggleworthy.

Kill them.

^Also true.

This logic though also has us lose Triple SP events altogether, in that:

Triple SP Event+more spam+everytime=Triple SP events cause spam and must be STOPPED!!

Maybe, just maybe, since the maps are huge and (unlike most every other fps) we aren't allowed to spawn directly off teammates AND most everybody after the first hour realizes that often the one thing between a team redlining the other is one good uplink maybe most people skill uplinks at some level early on?
And then, when its Triple SP time, players who largely don't play do or players use low skill characters they normally wouldn't and those characters only have links so they strew them about. Maybe? Maybe its just higher player traffic of low-skill players grasping for any points they can get? In which case, lowering the SP payout doesnt inspire anything except skilling into higher tier links to get the higher quantities deployable? Mebbeh??










Too bad there isn't a way to limit how much of that low-skill spam happens from logisuits...


















lol

This morning when I was picked up twice with a Red standing 20m in front of me in plain sight, I got the idea that there should be a -25 WP penalty if you pick someone up and they die again within 5 seconds.

My role in the context of the Support class: Victim!

I consider the guy who picked me up twice without clearing the area to be an accomplice to my repeated murder. Maybe if there was a penalty for such negligence people would learn?

In summary for those who are just catching up to this thread; not only does Mee One make make the assertion that he actually knows about EVE even though it's quite obvious that he doesn't but he's also quite ignorant when it comes to DUST 514 as well.

Mee One has earned the title of: Official Blueberry of the Forums.

And for his classic Comment of "you don't run pure support,so your opinion is worthless to those of us that do."

He has earned the Accolade of 16 year old along with his newfound blueberry title.

Congrats Mee One, you are a scrub.

For those who aren't going to go looking, the method John is talking about/advocating can be read here please feel free to pipe up if you are more in support of this method than than the lessor version which was proposed in my question above.

Cheers,
Cross

How much need do you feel there is for a buff to base stats, movement speed, or the return of the native regen? The fitting bonus as you describe it makes perfect sense and I think most people are in favor of the PG/CPU adjustment, I suppose I'm just concerned about the suit becoming too appealing if changes beyond that are made (as nice as they'd be).

No Thank You, I'll keep my medium frame with some buffing in the base stats over the idea that field supply is better served by me moving about at <4m/s but a million eHP. I can taste the tears of the "Heavy w/a Light Weapon" qq'ers already.

To be fair, I think what Cross is going for with the increase to fitting is that it would make it such that only Logis can easily fit Proto Equipment, which in turns makes them better at using all equipment than any other role. So in effect, the resource reduction bonus is actually an equipment buff for all equipment, simply because it's able to use a higher tier than what you could use otherwise.

Unfortunately cross I have no idea just how tight the commandos really are until I am off work and bust out a calculator or get my light weapons to 5 and all of the light weapon optimizations to 4. All I know is that I'm aiming for basic RE/prox mines and I can only get that on two of my fits.

Hives/links are right out ATM. Otherwise I have engineering/electronics 5. So I need to defer to more heavily specced commando users. But no I was never advocating that commandos need proto rep gear. Basic serves my purpose there easily as a secondary logi assistant.

I would like commandos to have an eadier time fitting offensively aspected equipment. Scanners, explosives, mines and non rep hives seem most appropriate given they are specced for havoc and suffer rapid ammo depletion if you survive longer than three minutes.

I don't really like the randomization here, why are some getting spawn counts, and some get the spawn timer... makes no sense to me.

For all bonuses, I would say, give all logis 2% to opponents races stuff, 4% to allies stuff and 5% to your own stuff (if 5% is the max, the native race gets).


Amarr:
Primary bonus: 10% to uplink spawn time, +2 to max spawns per level:

Secondary bonuses:
-2% bonus to repair tool rate per level and 4% bonus to repair tool range per level
-2% bonus to active scanner precision per level
-8% max nanites and 4% of nanohive supply/repair rate per level

Caldari:
Primary bonus: 10% max nanites and 5% to supply/repair rate per level

Secondary bonuses:
-2% bonus to repair tool rate per level and 4% bonus to repair tool range per level
-2% to precision per level and 4% bonus to scanner visibility duration per level
-8% bonus to uplink spawn time per level and +2 to max uplink spawn count per level

Minmatar:
Primary bonus: 10% bonus to repair tool range and 5% to repair rate per level

Secondary bonuses:
-8% bonus to scanner visibility duration per level and 4% to precision per level
-4% bonus to uplink spawn time per level and +1 to max uplink spawn count per level
-4% bonus to max nanites per level and 2% bonus to nanohive supply/repair rate per level

Gallente:
Primary bonus: 10% to active scanner visibility duration and 5% to precision per level

Secondary bonuses:
-8% bonus to repair tool range and 4% bonus to repair tool rate per level
-4% max nanites per level and 2% bonus to nanohive supply/repair rate per level
-4% bonus to uplink spawn time per level and +1 to max uplink spawn count per level



Considering the introduction of shield transporters (shield repper) I wouldn't like the minmatar to be pushed in the shield direction repping wise, since they are dual tankers... this will be difficult to balance... but I guess that it makes sense considering the EVE lore...

Another thing I've proposed before, if every logi has a wish for putting a repper/transporter on, why not put a repper/transporter slot where the sidearm of all the other frames is...

1) Fixed! Thanks for the heads up.

2) That's the method modification you proposed in this thread. Are the numbers wrong somehow, because I thought I'd simply pasted them directly from your post (but I am operating on just under five hours of sleep so I may be missing something).
As to the naming, I'm keeping the current conventions simply because of the chronology tied to when they were introduced as changing it now would alter the context in which a number of posts were made.

Stop balancing around people that spam, theyll find a way to spam no matter what. Unless you come up with a real solution that wont nerf everyone else.

[Hate to chime in after saying I wouldn't, but this is a tangent ]

I agree with John's assessment; scans are too good in their present form.

Technically, Shared Squad Passives aren't supposed to exist. They were disabled in Uprising 1.4 (see patch notes) yet here we are, still sharing squad passives. Rattati recognized the issue and looked into it, but he later reported that the situation proved more involved than he'd expected. We took his report to mean that disabling shared squad sight would require a client-side update.

Just in case we get a client-side update, EWAR tweaks were spitballed in the Barbershop; one of the ideas seems to address a few of John's concerns above ... the concept is as follows:

* Shared Passives Disabled
* If Profile beats Precision, target's position in concealed (presently observed)
* If Precision beats or equals Profile, target's position only is revealed
* If Precision substantially beats Profile, target's position and orientation are revealed
* If Active Scanner beats Profile, target's position and orientation are revealed to squad (presently observed)

Good stuff, right? You wouldn't believe the source :-)

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100% agree. If the statistics indicate that Scouts are outshining Assaults on the frontline, then adjustments should be made. Adjustment approaches differ, depending primarily upon which Scouts (and gear configs) are causing the problems.

it is still a bit galling to have a situation in which the first question I have to ask upon reading any post is "what role does this poster mean when they say Logistics or Support".

More importantly, I feel something needs to be said about this, because bad balancing ideas based on this false premise are driving me crazy. Lets just make one thing very clear: My sole reason for existence is not to leech off some fatty all game. I'm not a sentient armor repair module.

- I maintain tactical control of the map with placement of blue uplinks and removal of red ones
- I provide ammunition
- I provide tactical information with scanners
- I provide suppressive fire and finish off weakened enemies so I can revive you
- I set RE's or proxy traps
- I counter snipe to keep the killers focused on their job
- And yes, I repair damaged suits and provide additional eHP to sentinels to break through highly defended areas.

("back in my day" rant incoming)

Some of you may be used to the more recent brain-dead, repper-only logi meta, but those of us who have been logis from long before the logi suits and equipment got nerfed, or when there was only one logi suit, or before every god damn blueberry, their brother, sister, second cousins, and next door neighbor's dog started wh0ring WP by spamming uplinks at the start of every freaking match have a slightly different concept of what it means to provide logistical/tactical support. One that *gasp* includes having my weapon active more than my rep tool. There's more than one way to keep people alive - let me know when you find a rep tool that can keep up with the DPS of any major weapon, because I want one of those.

(Pro tip: Sentinels have shields. You (basically) always have time to pull out your rep tool, but not to switch to a weapon.)

Remember when mass driver logis were a primary support staple to assault squads?

Good times.

Depending on the situation, having the rep per on the heavy is indeed beneficial, such as when pushing the point in domination and you expect a sudden attack at any moment. Although it is true you don't need him leashed at all times.

Oh and, since they were in here "contributing", you should read through the following thread. The scouts and their resident voicepiece are not and do not provide gamebalance intended feedback. The evidence (kdr leaderboards, wtf? fknsrsly??) and their tables (Magnus' whole intercourse) are deeply skewed to never allow scout functionality to be balanced with the rest of the game. Please DISREGARD any of their input to the conversation on Support and Support play.



https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=177251&find=unread

Understood, the only reason it cameos in this thread at all is to ensure the "input" from said individuals is recognition of the actual, greater, context.

Is anyone else concerned about the nanite injector in 1.9 being opt-in instead of opt-out for team revives?

Not seeing how this is a bad thing.

^Seconded. Though not sorry about it.

A few things:

* Scouts have been nerfed a bunch of times in the past few months.

* A Scout's passive scans are now interrupted when his cloak is active.

* Overheard two Top 100 Assaults asking for exactly that (2 EQ).

* The Logis I run with place 1st nearly every match; they are fantastic (and viable).

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Will bet Cross 1M Isk that Logi scan range will be buffed to 18-20m (max range 80-90m) and scan precision buffed to 42 dB (max precision 20dB). My money's on you guys becoming better Hunters while Assaults become better Hiders. Would be really neat to see Logi passives forcing Scouts to run damps.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I've been a logi since I first stated regularly playing this game, way back in the closed beta.
Introducing a shield rep tool just makes things more complicated than they need to be.

Did you know that vehicles once had shield transporters? The reason why they were actually somewhat balance was that you could only have them active for a certain amount of time, and then there was a 30 second delay which you had to let the module recharge before being able to use it again.

Adding delays? Preventing locks by different types of repair tools? Giving repair tools a cooldown or energy "pool" like cloaks and scanners have?

Honestly we need to stop trying to suggest so many ideas at once and actually focus on one thing at a time here.

Nothing against you Cross, but this thread feels more like an idea farm than a productive way to gather feedback. You should convince rattati to create a sticky for a specific change we want feedback about.

Well,this seems ok in theory.
But now we have a new factor,bandwith.(which is a great idea)
As well as the cost of that extra equipment.

3 equipment slots with all ADV gear = ADV light weapon in costs.
4 equipment slots with all ADV gear = more than an ADV light weapon


And as most logis know,ADV equipment is crap once Pro is available.
And on my ADV fit i have 3 Pro equipment,which is about 50% of its cost.

So,while i would like 4 slots,with such low survivability it would only make logistics that much more of an ISK sink.
Logistics needs the built in ability to walk/run fast and hide,not hunt other suits.

(1)
Any positive change to equipment should be given through logistics exclusive bonuses.
Any negative change to equipment should be negated by logistics exclusive bonuses.

(2)
One main problem with logistics survivability is that no one sees them as valuable.
But if assaults and scouts could only carry 2 hives while logistics can carry 6-7,it would add value.
And logistics would be seen as a long-term winning asset worth protection.

-snip-

I'll be away for a few days after i post this,but i'll never change my view.
Logistics should benefit exclusively,and other classes should benefit through logistics.

ANY tactical position creation, reinforcement, or use will be a major pain with the BW mechanic, whether its a fallback, a forward, an advanced OR a flank. Positioning will be like checkers, one piece in one direction until opposed and defeated instead of like chess, multiple pieces with different board control capabilities acting in concert together to an ultimate end.

Problem, "tactical godfather", is you're sounding like you want to create fallback positions while being pushed back so now you're concerned about spawn counts/speeds, whereas I'm concerned with creating fallback positions before ever having pushed forward in the first place so placement timing is my concern. Checkers vs. Chess.

One thing to remember, however, is the interaction that the Amarr Logi skill bonuses have with links. So, at max skills, you'll go from 5 spawns/per link to 15 instead, a 300% increase.

I actually pointed out how this could become potentially ridiculous here:



But even considering the potential ridiculosity, it does mean that, potentially, we could make Quantum-variant links a distinctive variation; fewer links carried, but more spawns per link- the net should actually be that the total spawns per fitted module favors the basic variant, while Quantum variant links have higher spawn count per link, with fewer carried.

Expanding that to the Flux and Stable variants, Flux variants should have faster spawns per link, but fewer total links carried, while Stable links should have fewer total links carried and a slightly longer spawn delay than basic-variant links. To counterbalance the spawn time and total carried drawbacks of Stable-variant links, they should generally cost 60-75% the CPU/PG to fit compared to an equal-tiered link.

As far as Gauged links, I'm honestly not sure what to do about those.

Side note: Flux nanos need to be dropped like a flaming honey badger. They serve no useful purpose whatsoever.

So, be clearer then in your statements.
Every Logistical style that actively supplies a group AND establishes preemptive positioning is hurt by BW limits. That you can't, don't or won't see that tells me you rarely if at all are acting in this manner tactically, which really only leaves you either
A) Reacting Logistically on the battlefield, not Dictating Logistically or
B) Are just another ammo humper leashed to a heavy
both of which explain your problem understanding my problem with BW.

Not trolling, but serious as my ability to more than read whatever gets posted in here.

And if your response to my response is " No **** Sherlock" then what I'm saying is obvious and patently true. Which reinforces and validates my statement that your idea of "Logistics" is Reactive and centered more or less solely on blobbing with leashed heavies. To which I respond, "Your style is Elementary, my dear Watson. Elementary. "

Holy **** I missed that last second switcheroo Would be nice to hear what the "logic" behind that change is...

Meh to the bandwidth implementation: You only fixed the spam problem because dropping down equipment and running around with nothing left to drop down (or lose your bonuses by switching at a supply depot) is still too passive for a support role.

Heck if repair tools can have infinite nanites to restore suits, then give my cal-logi infinite hives or better...a ammo-restock-tool.

I'm not sure if only 3 equipment slots on my proto-suit cut it with the bandwidth implementation.

More like 1-2+ carried per level for those two.
5-10 extra deployables would last a while.

But i'd like +1 to be class wide if possible.
Then maybe an additional +1(for a total of 2 per level) per level for Cal and Amarr logistics.

All logis would benefit,but the deployable specialists would flourish.
And it would make Cal appealing again.

So, basically the same as CCP? ;)

Perhaps this is yet another example of the people designing the game not having played it enough to understand many of the mechanics... Like the fact that, for a logi, order of the equipment in the slots can make a huge difference, particularly with any lag involved on top of the already clunky equipment wheel.
Though I would remind you, there is no universal equipment layout, every logi makes their own, so your preferred order would be annoying to someone else. Though I guess if it was at least consistent between different APEX suits, that would be at least logical (too logical for CCP?)
Pretty much, the issue here is that APEX suits are what they are, BPO suits that are noncustomisable. You knew what you were buing... well, except for yhe (minor) issue, when it comes to the APEX suits, of there being no way to know what you are buying in-game

I haven't found it to be too much of a problem but I have on occasion run dry of uplinks and wouldn't mind another.

I would much rather have a BW meter in the HUD tbh. We can manage suit resupply pretty much the way we have been up to this point but having a much better handle on BW capacity would be useful.

Nothing to feel dirty about, brah. Running solo (RandomBlueBerryTheory, I call it) as a Logi can teach you a lot about what goes on that you wouldn't ever be exposed to were you anchored to a fatty. Things like Team Support vs Squad Support, for starters. Its not always a bad thing, running solo.

I've tried this and it always back fired on me. I notice a lot of people who spawn on the default spawn and immediately lay one down to try and catch all the ones coming immediately after them. I used to use my dragonfly (which sadly can only lay down one hive now...) on the far corner. But I guess I've been the victim of too many bad matches. In those, I ended up being the only uplink left after we were bulldozed and inevitably camped.

That being said, I haven't dropped an uplink in ambush for almost 8 months now...

Hi, John! I'd wondered where you went.

I'll bet it is on the radar; Pokey popped in, so it has to be.

And on the 82nd page Boobies checked in , looking for that elusive Blue Tag. Alas, it was not to be this day...

Listened to the recent Biomassed.

Sounds like Rattati favours fitting advantages for Logis. That's a good thing, helps Logis be Logis and also addresses the Assault Logi issue.

But it's only half the story imo. Logis need an equipment efficacy buff for all equipment, in addition to the racial bonuses to specific equipment.

Doesn't have to, and shouldn't, be to big, but any Logi should get more and better performance out of equipment than any other suit.

ns, right?

Only "ballistic" I remember was Meee One (rightfully, I might add) sounding off about the speed reduction. Everyone else for the most part was like,"What? No. Dumb. Next?" And instead we got bandwidthed. Bandwidthed because "spam" and "lag", neither of which was solved by bandwidth limits.


Today? Bandwidthed the mail. Hope it works, between the matchmaker and the lag Dust feels less like a game and more like some twisted VR sim of being a member of Scientology. Couple levels more and I'll be ThetaPro and get to read the holy mail (only for 30 days) about Katu the Imprisoner freeing us all. For only 10000000000000000000000000000 jillion AUR.