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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

pseudosnipre wrote:

Putting this here for comments

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

C to D could be open space and point b which looks over it is full of hostiles and its a sniper ally.

Getting into nests is still very hard to do with all guns pointed in your general direction with no flankable option.

I surely do not jest, a good scout can raptor a squad to death currently this tool would help them a bit.

Depends on the sniper first being the corner sniper where you cannot flank said sniper for his sniper alley is the same as the only ways to get to him. The second of which is the recon snipers the ones that don't hug their scopes all the time and only pick off targets of oppertunity.

Red reticule hunting is needle in the haystack. You would know if you got hit with the worst of the render bug.

Hunters are creatures who thrive on creatures of habbit, those that constantly call and recall their tanks or always call their tanks in one spot of the map are most prone to being victims. FW has taught many this.

It can be easily a problem on the smaller maps, also the cloak would save travel time by not having to take the massively long route. Hence the better use as a mobility tool and not a weapon.

What comments, some of your own statements makes me think poorly of your own abilities. I may not be a dedicated sniper or scout but I am an Omni Soldier which does require to know how best to skin everything and inversely how to avoid getting skinned.

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Llast 326 An Arkhos 1207	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:12:00 - [6751] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up. It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often. Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen. I am precision lvl 5 and radius lvl 5, I run an adv precision mod and a cpx range mod and I've noticed a few things. To be honest I think it is a latency/scan cycle issue. Why I think so is that, when I simply run without waiting, I run into baddies that were not scanned by passive. If I wait a fraction of a second, they get scanned. Which is why if you have cpx range, you will almost always scan them since it will take a sec for them to get to you. If you think about it, the active scanners have the same bug. Where red dots don't pop up as soon as you scan them sometimes. Instead, It's like it waits a second (even after your scanner is done scanning) and then pops up. To me, sounds like latency. I have experienced this as well, but i suspect it is not only latency. I can be standing perfectly still in a socket and "see" dots all around me. Standing perfectly still in a ravine on Manus, and the sniper at the top of the ravine is not a dot unless I visual them first. (then they fade out afterwards) KRRROOOOOOM
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 196	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:12:00 - [6752] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault >< This is the day the CPM's realize that scouts weren't crying for nothing. Everyone does our job better. Well normally its either full stealth or full speed for me but knifing requires a bit of both and all the suits I do have access to don't have the facilities for both. It doesn't get better as far as fittings go, Wolf. The guys who are hardcore knifers (and I am not one of them) succeed in spite of their suit, not because of it
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 196	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:13:00 - [6753] - Quote Man, I don't know about anybody else, but I am glad to find out I'm not the only one who is frustrated with my passive scanning right now...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11855	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:15:00 - [6754] - Quote Ruthless Lee wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault >< This is the day the CPM's realize that scouts weren't crying for nothing. Everyone does our job better. Well normally its either full stealth or full speed for me but knifing requires a bit of both and all the suits I do have access to don't have the facilities for both. It doesn't get better as far as fittings go, Wolf. The guys who are hardcore knifers (and I am not one of them) succeed in spite of their suit, not because of it I just view it as a toolbox, a mason's chisel is far better an breaking bricks apart than using screw driver. There is a proper tool for every job and I don't think our most pro snipers would fancy the idea of a fatsuit ninja being viable. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 963	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:25:00 - [6755] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: @ Shotty - I don't think I want to go on strike for two reasons: 1.) It robs CCP of data. As nervous as I am about them mis-interpreting data, I'm more nervous about them making decisions without it. I don't really think this is data collection, if it is then CCP scares me, knives can be fun by are in no way the only thing a scouts do, in fact the knife is more of a fun play style more than a serious one. In really competitive matches knifes are not what are used by an large against a really competent opposition. I also know this because some of the better knifers out there have been stopped dead in their tracks by my little sister who plays a hmg heavy solo guarding an objective, completely destroying an all out scout squad of half knifers and combat rifles. She forced the knifers to go to the combat rifle and still mopped them up. (though I was watching her play and telling her everything they were most likely going to do in advance like "stop, he's luring you out for a remote/ambush", "wedge yourself here", "this guy is will probably trying again by flank this direction", "check six", etc) It made me realize how scout smarts with other suits is op Yeah, originally I was thinking this was incentive to get folks to use scout suits, and allow CCP more data on things like time to kill, average ISK used, etc.... but if that was the case, why not just allow scouts to kill with any weapon as opposed to a hard to use, close range niche weapon? Unless choosing the nova knife as the kill weapon was just to spice up the event desciption..... Sadly, you are probably right: If this was about valid scout data collection they wouldn't be incentivising scouts into a very specific play-style. It's totally one-sided. Scouts: use crap suit and close range weapon. Everyone else: use medium suit and long range weaponry. Although, it could be about gathering data on the usefulness and necessity of dampening, scan range, etc... we all know how hard that is these days to get close with active scanners around. But again, then why not make the event center around close range weaponry and add the shotgun to the mix....?
pseudosnipre 497	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:47:00 - [6756] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: Putting this here for comments Iron Wolf Saber wrote: C to D could be open space and point b which looks over it is full of hostiles and its a sniper ally. Getting into nests is still very hard to do with all guns pointed in your general direction with no flankable option. I surely do not jest, a good scout can raptor a squad to death currently this tool would help them a bit. Depends on the sniper first being the corner sniper where you cannot flank said sniper for his sniper alley is the same as the only ways to get to him. The second of which is the recon snipers the ones that don't hug their scopes all the time and only pick off targets of oppertunity. Red reticule hunting is needle in the haystack. You would know if you got hit with the worst of the render bug. Hunters are creatures who thrive on creatures of habbit, those that constantly call and recall their tanks or always call their tanks in one spot of the map are most prone to being victims. FW has taught many this. It can be easily a problem on the smaller maps, also the cloak would save travel time by not having to take the massively long route. Hence the better use as a mobility tool and not a weapon. What comments, some of your own statements makes me think poorly of your own abilities. I may not be a dedicated sniper or scout but I am an Omni Soldier which does require to know how best to skin everything and inversely how to avoid getting skinned. If you need a cloak to achieve the tasks listed above, I'm merely suggesting that the scout portion of your omni soldier toolbox could use some sharpening. o7 On a related note, I will skill into nova knives for the event and test out your ease-of-raptoring comment. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
J0LLY R0G3R Tickle My Null-Sac 320	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:06:00 - [6757] - Quote X ( I don't use nova knifes. I mean i've skilled into em but ehh. XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 487	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:39:00 - [6758] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault >< Just gonna put this here Also for those who need a little.........enticement....PUMP IT UP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN5enAXejfk I will def being going head first into battle to kill dudes with NKs, but yea only in BPO suits so they get as little isk as possible. BPO Dragonfly Ishukone NK Complex Shield Complex RED Enhanced GREEN I was debating this fit as well BPO Dragonfly Ishukone NK Complex Shield Complex Range Complex GREEN Idea is to focus on NK kills only. Both fits are around 22k isk PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
mollerz Minja Scouts 1714	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:06:00 - [6759] - Quote I'd put a flux and a CR on that fit. May as well get the AR ISK. Compact if you can as well. Adds a few K ISK. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 706	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:26:00 - [6760] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I have experienced this as well, but i suspect it is not only latency. I can be standing perfectly still in a socket and "see" dots all around me. Standing perfectly still in a ravine on Manus, and the sniper at the top of the ravine is not a dot unless I visual them first. (then they fade out afterwards) as I said before: terrain. think of it as "you cant passive scan through solid rock". Try the same thing... but this time, dont move from where you have line of sight... (and make sure he is actually within your passive scan range, duh :) then turn around 180 degrees so he's behind you. I'm pretty sure he will stay on your radar. either that.. .or he's actually a smart sniper and is using damps. I certainly do, when I'm sniping

Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 706	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:29:00 - [6761] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have all basics unlocked and all advanced weapons unlocked now going down through suits but now I am considering banking my sp to save up for the new suits and guns so they'll be on par with majority of my lineup. FYI: Unless you have gallente scout to AT LEAST 3, and you have scan radius to 3, AND are using at least 1 adv range amp... (but ideally 2) you arent truly seeing the benefit of passive scanning.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1208	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:22:00 - [6762] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: X ( I don't use nova knifes. I mean i've skilled into em but ehh. Sure, Just gonna leave this here KRRROOOOOOM
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2655	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:32:00 - [6763] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable. I dont think ive ever seen a reliability problem, other than the "doesnt scan through terrain" issue. I think it' s more accurate to say that it's not all that useful, until you've skilled it out to at least 30m, but preferably over 40m it does scan through terrain at times though that's where it seems to have reliability issues. Also another another suit back in my experimental days at the start of uprising I had a gal assault, it literally had eyes back of his head in terms of picking up larger suits behind him that where trying to be sneaky. Passive Scanning is reliable I was a big skeptic myself until I proved it with the help of Reav. Now I usually run 50 meter passive scan and it's more useful than an extra armor plate. The omniscience it grants is so powerful yet so unfamiliar to many. And yes it can scan through walls and all that. I have yet to find any reliability issues except with invisispawning. I must request that you cease and desist from providing advice which results in the Imperfects going hungry.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1174	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:20:00 - [6764] - Quote So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:30:00 - [6765] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? Better use a Complex Sidearm Damage mod. And as someone said, a weeks worth of passive SP can pay for LVL3 NK Ops. use those. It's kinda ruff, but hilarious when you get a kill. I can't justify using NK when I've got 6 different weapons at proto that are all more effective, but you can do it. Just it is never going to OHK a suit. Flux or any nade, or let someone else weaken them first. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2723	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:32:00 - [6766] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? You'll have to charge shot more suits. Whether thats a big deal is entirely up to you. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 160	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:37:00 - [6767] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? In my experience so far, the Gal Scout can run NKs decently enough. I just got them to lv3, and the ADV knives will kill most assaults with one fully charged swipe. Even if they survive, an extra uncharged attack will usually finish them off. I've even managed to kill a few mildly incompetent heavies, but those usually took one charge and a few uncharged slashes. I've only been running them since they announced the event, and I've already had several games with 4+ knife kills. From what I've seen so far, the Minmatar bonus isn't really a necessity for knifing, it just helps get the kill a bit faster and allows them to dispatch heavies reliably.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 707	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:43:00 - [6768] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? well, do the math: 150/300 vs 300/600 for adv 200/400 vs 400/800 for proto if youre using adv, my advice would be to not even try, unless you can get in a charged swing. (and even then, try to plan ahead that you're going to do TWO charged swings, unless target is on the run) proto, you might get away with non-charged. But either way: AIM FOR THE HEAD, if you are going for someone hacking an objective!!! Because of geometry, you have to be almost much right on someone's heels... literally.. to get a headshot. So, usually only valid for a hack kill.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 185	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:49:00 - [6769] - Quote I don't know if I will strike, but I probably won't be able to do my minja thing for the duration of the event. I don't know that I hate myself that much. I will probably have to make a militia med fit with my CR and a scanner to make up some of the cash I will be losing playing my scout role. We're going to lose a lot of good (wo)men out there... Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 708	Posted - 2014.01.11 02:04:00 - [6770] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Just gonna put this here Also for those who need a little.........enticement....PUMP IT UP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN5enAXejfk BOOdeeful. I am inspired to run a few all-knife games tonight :)

Llast 326 An Arkhos 1210	Posted - 2014.01.11 02:11:00 - [6771] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? Running knife on a Gal for awhile, I used to run Knife only fits for a couple months. They work fine, Proto is great, Advanced still effective, even without damage mods. Know your foe, keep an eye on your surroundings. Full charges will obviously be the best at dropping people, it will take more quick taps than you would with a Minja for sure (Minja still owns the NK) You are not as maneuverable as a Minja, nor have the damage bonus. You can partial charges for effective slashes, personally I find not quick tapping,but a slight hold and release will get the job done on beefier suits. KRRROOOOOOM
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 327	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:13:00 - [6772] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Ripcord19981 wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Ripcord19981 wrote: im starting minmatar scout You brave foolish bastard o7 Welcome to the underworld thx, any fittings u could give me? How are you set sp/skill wise at this point? What style suits you? I am a bit unorthodox in my fittings myselfGÇª We have a crazy collection of folks here who can make damn near anything work im used to be medium cal so since i already have shields picked minmatar. I have a complex and basic shield extender in the high. A basic shotgun, submachine gun, quantum adv ascanners, adv reactive plate and adv profile dampner on adv minmatar light frame. I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
mollerz Minja Scouts 1726	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:15:00 - [6773] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough? You'll have to charge shot more suits. Whether thats a big deal is entirely up to you. The trade off is a ginja can tank more damage than a minja. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 1726	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:18:00 - [6774] - Quote New really fun ginja suit i've been playin with: Federation Proto Ginja 3x C Kin Cats 1x C Card Reg 1x C Precision 6Kin ACR IshNoks Flux Stable Drop Uplink Smokin those minjas! I hack two objectives on mission jump usually. I can;t wait to get proto Lv skill. I am finding the Ginja is just far superior to a minja. Even without the knife bonus. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Scout Registry 419	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:29:00 - [6775] - Quote Watched Moody's Video Got all motivated. Spent a little SP to unlock the ZN-28's. No. Never again. That is all. (I'm Gallente, btw)
mollerz Minja Scouts 1730	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:31:00 - [6776] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Watched Moody's Video Got all motivated. Spent a little SP to unlock the ZN-28's. No. ninja edit! never again!? Well. What happened? Give me some situations. Go knifing with me, musturd and the ugly. We'll tear some **** up. FYI- You need ishnoks man. ZNs are only plausible if you are fully skilled to the hilt. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11885	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:36:00 - [6777] - Quote Well my best knifing stories had been slashing a sniper so pretty boring to you guys most like. @pseduosniper, I just about killed everyone going from c to d once, even 6 guys running down there with a sniper. 350-400 meter range good coverage, good overlook on the entire area and both hack points. A cloak would have saved these guys. The worst march I think though is one of the crater maps where there is a nice valley on one side. Only way off that hill safely is in a vehicle when its under the guise of a even a semi terrible sniper no cover for walks around makes it headshot heaven. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2655	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:38:00 - [6778] - Quote The Last place people looks for REs.....is above them Yes today I wanted to see if I could pull my old Killzone 3 tricks and you can! If you jump and throw RE simultaneously, you can get them to stick to the ceiling. Some are too tall but think about doorways and the underground halls in the Gallente research place or even on the Null Cannon up high. Seriously it's fun trolling out there with REs where people never look. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 204	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:44:00 - [6779] - Quote Just need confirmation on something. Had a couple of different responses so I'm not sure of my math anymore. Will Scout 3, dampening 4, and an enhanced dampener get me under proto scanning? From my calculation, I end up just below 28 (27.72), but another poster calculated each value separately and then it comes to 28.152. Trying to work out whether I should bother with my dampener for shinobi event suit, fitting space is limited
Scout Registry 420	Posted - 2014.01.11 03:49:00 - [6780] - Quote @ Broker By my math, Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 1 Enh Dampener = 27.54 dB https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1242149#post1242149 We're not certain if rounding favors the hunter or hunted. Be advised. @ Mollerz I'm not ready to talk about it.



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