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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:59:00 -
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Got my ADV scout suit and ADV shotgun today. \o/
Getting varied results. The unreliability of the shotgun gets me killed a lot. Definitely a lot of fun and is a great break from the assault suit and mass driver. It's weird running into packs of reds to throw a remote and them being none the wiser.  |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:47:00 -
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I've been noticing a weird melee bug with my shotgun since the patch. I posted about it here. Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing it.
Also, I guess it's time to start working towards my racial level 5. These scanners are ruining my day. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.06 21:32:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Having trouble with the mass driver right now, just don't kill fast enough to be a contender against the almighty ar (in a scout suit anyway) my Nova Knives aren't working correctly and even if they do I'm boned if I'm spotted, and I almost have to use active scanners in squads as well to keep from getting killed so my REs aren't being used.
That's 3 prototype gears I've spent a very long time acquiring made near worthless by this update or buggs that have been around for a month pluse, what's next they lower our cpu?
I know the feels. I really miss my REs a lot. I just don't trust squadmates to run a scanner immediately after it's cool down to keep me alive.  |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:38:00 -
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Shotty GoBang makes a cameo in my latest log. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:00:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Dang it, Cyrius :p Caught me moaning on coms about ARs. Loved the hate mail. You guys always have this much fun? I paused the video to write this comment. good ass video. good scout music. ya'll were scouting right lol? I also want to say that scouting sucks EXCEPT when you are with another squad of scouts having fun or when you duel with an enemy scout!!! Keep those vids coming cyrius. Waiting on better dayss
@niuvo
Now, I don't put on my scout suit unless there's another one in squad to be honest. I'm still skilling further into my scout role. Regardless of its varying effectiveness, it is the most fun/frustrating/funny role to play. Also, shotgun footage is way more fun to watch, and the scout community is the best part of the community in my opinion.
@shotty
I think your commentary is pretty spot on for anyone in a scout suit. As for the fun, when we manage to get all the directors (big e, dolph, micnuts, darth, and myself) on we have a pretty good time and good laughs. We're a small group ATM but we mesh well at this point.
For anyone else who was curious about my weird melee then shotgun glitch I've been getting you can see it happen on that Cal Logi @ 2:02 and on the Min Assault @ 2:26. I managed to get it again on my assault suit @ 8:29. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:36:00 -
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I just want balance! ::sniff::
In other news, anyone got an awesome ADV Minmatar fit? |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.13 09:02:00 -
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At that distance I thought I was going to get away. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.13 16:45:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:93???? and 300+ damage???? not even a pro sniper man wtf is this??? I think that player will drop in performance when they take away that almighty scrub weapon. Then for once, he'll have to think to kill. Honestly I've been killed twice at 100m+ dumb as sh.it. Also, it is totally frustrating when neither your P. scan or narrow-ass cone vision detect an enemy and he shoots you down in 3 sec. You can't run for cover, because it's too easy to track you. There I am thinking there is no one around, and then what...I'm getting shot? from where? Again I think cloaking should help us traverse the map WAY better.
Yeah I was amazed. Anyone who says the AR does not beat/match the laser is clearly special in some way. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1021
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Posted - 2013.09.13 16:56:00 -
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Anything in name of science. ;) |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:09:00 -
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Keeriam Miray wrote:Bounty Hunting on Grigoriy RUSS  For 2 last days i got serios fight on russian "facebook" about scouts & vid "Rise of The Scout". The guy is saying that J0LLY R0G3R have no skill & it's just some lucky moments montage. We need to defend Scouts Honor & teach that scrub what we scouts capable of when we angry & bounty hunting. He is my ex corp mate, but you can't just say such bad things about hard life of scouts & our vids So i placing bounty for 20 kills: 200k isk for Shotgun or RE kill 500k isk for Nova Knife or Melee kill Happy hunting! Evidence is a must so we can make nice montage of our "lucky no skill" vid with Grigory RUSS  Here is hes twitch channel http://www.twitch.tv/grigoriy_russ he mainly run assault with tac ar, can be in blaster madrugar. Playing on Euro region\server mostly domination, skirmish. Rarely playing solo, most likely you will encounter half or full squad size of average threat lvl scrubs, possibly with 2 tanks.
target intel galore!
Happy hunting, scouts! |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:16:00 -
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Like 8 bit music and shotgun montages?
Admittedly there's a little medium shotgunning mixed in. Some matches my poor scout suit just couldn't withstand the mighty AR. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:19:00 -
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Keeriam, sorry about randomly dropping off last night. I got DC'd then my internet went out. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1077
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:22:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Hey Shotty, seeing as you know the maths behind the profile dampeners, can I ask you what the profile of a heavy with 4 complex dampeners on would be?
I have no intention of ever doing this, I'm just curious.
Dunno the math but cubs has snuck up on me in a sentinel suit that beat an adv scanner and a pro scanner. Though whenhe beat the pro he might have just spawned in after the scan. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1077
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:22:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112835
Hey raptors this guy thinks you need a nerf to your maneuverability and that the shotgun is just fine. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1131
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:45:00 -
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Trying to find out if the nova knife fix got delayed w everything else. I've been waiting to skill into them further and if they're not getting fixed I'm going to wait. If anyone talks to a dev please try to find this out. Thanks. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:37:00 -
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Been dual side arming lately and finding mucho success and dominating most 1v1s. Lead with the pistol, clean up with SMG.
STD Minnie Scout:
2x Shield Extenders
Basic Armor Plate
Enhanced CPU Upgrade
TT-3 Assault Scrambler
'Toxin' SMG
Locus Grenade
PEW PEW PEW PEWPEW |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1161
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:43:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Been dual side arming lately and finding mucho success and dominating most 1v1s. Lead with the pistol, clean up with SMG.
STD Minnie Scout:
2x Shield Extenders
Basic Armor Plate
Enhanced CPU Upgrade
TT-3 Assault Scrambler
'Toxin' SMG
Locus Grenade
PEW PEW PEW PEWPEW Try this out with the ADV suit. 1x Complex Extender 1x Basic Armor 1x Enhanced Kincat TY-9 Breach Scrambler pistol M209 Assault Sub M1 Locus Kicks some serious butt. Use the breach to ping the shields off super quick, then shred with the Assault SMG.
I use the assault SMG on my ADV fitting. That thing is beastly. Haven't given the breach pistol a go yet. Looks like I have some experimenting to do. Thanks for the fit. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1171
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:18:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Loving the scan bonus but may have to skill into proto dampeners soon to combat all the fake logis running scanners now
"You have been scanned"
ughhh...
::disengages flanking maneuver and uses blueberries for human shields and kill steals:: |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1209
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:49:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Hahaha! Scout Squad anyone? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1376539#post1376539For those too lazy to read, it will be 6v6 domination with 80 clones. I think a good 6 man scout squad can win in Domination if we play right. Vehicles AREN'T allowed, so we will always get the hack first. Spam some links, RE's, and we will always avoid the scanner  Also, winners get 5-15 Officer weapons of their choice, 10-30 QUAFE SCOUT DROPSUITS, and 5-15 mil Isk. 10-30 QUAFE SCOUT DROPSUITS
I like this idea. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1209
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:00:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:BARDAS wrote:
Shotguns on the other hand feel more fluid to me. Could just be imagining it though as it is very subtle.
I've noticed slight improvements to the Shotgun; fairly certain it isn't my imagination. Interested to hear if you guys have similar observations ... Stationary targets seem to take damage more reliably than before. Backpedaling or distanced targets seem to take damage at slightly longer range ... not much damage, but enough to finish an HP-critical target. Also, I suspect I'm landing shots on "bunny hoppers" more frequently than before, though I haven't encountered it enough to say with certainty. I'm still having problems hitting medium-frame "super" strafers at 3-10 meters. Always seem to land the first shot, but whiff every shot to follow once they start their little hipfire jig.
Pretty much my observation. My shots were connecting but if latency was a problem there was a much noticeable delay. Shots on target ALWAYS connected but sometimes connected w a delay. That I'm just chalking up to latency.
Now, for the KB/M ADADADAD super strafers. A lot of people say there is no difference in strafing, as I've used both over the last few builds this is entirely not true. ADADAD spam may not put you in a linear direction faster but will allow people to change directions faster than flipping your thumb. With this super jig it definitely seems to break hit detection like the speed tanked suits of pre-1.4. Very very very annoying with heavies that you know you should have taken down.
I've gotten so used to just putting the SG away for the rest of the match after running into one of these that I generally don't try a second time. I just switch to SMG and pistol. However I also run into the problem of these shots not connecting at first either. Both the SMG and Pistol will also give hit indicators and no damage for the first part of clips but you at least have more distance and ammo in a clip with these.
Overall the SG has gotten better from my observations but we're still suffering from a few minor problems now. This is very good in my opinion as there are even less bugs to iron out, thus less situations that we can get mad that we get robbed of kills. Now when I die I can chalk it up to getting out played, a bad decision on my part, or me just totally wiffing my shots. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1225
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:33:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:Hm.... FW sounds tough this week.....
You should roll with a scout squad! We're winning around 75%.
So... Minmatar could use some help... |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1242
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:17:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Guys my kd is gunna go down like crazy for about a week. I got a PC war to fight!
KD down, wallet balance up. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1351
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:33:00 -
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Been having awesome luck with my knives and explosives lately.
An example of a Minja doing what a Minja does protecting the Matari's land in faction warfare.  |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1354
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:14:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Nice round. You running proto? I'm asking because you seem to be running ADV weapons and equipment, yet 265 shields. Or Is there a CPU enhancer on it?
ADV. Cpu enhancer. Seems to be only way I can stay alive. I have to manage my stamina a lot and can only choose: speed, tank, or stealth. I switch between 3 fittings depending on what types of scanners are being run, and what types of weapons are being used. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1374
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:31:00 -
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So, knife party, Sota's kidneys. Be there. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:34:00 -
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Anyone else having issues with their shotguns again? It's been taking me an entire clip to take down militia suits for the past 2 days. =( |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1459
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:39:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Where's that combat rifle I need a mid range weapon something bad and my Mass Driver ain't cutting it anymore 
Been trying to at least get the stats. Here's what I got from CCP Saberwing two days ago:
"@CyriusLiMoody Will try to get a status on it when I'm back in Shanghai. Feel free to poke me again :) in the meantime, ask @CCP_Logibro" |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1498
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:16:00 -
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da fuq? |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1622
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:49:00 -
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Recorded a few matches, going to put up a video regarding knives later today.
This injustice will not stand.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1623
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:29:00 -
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Knives, do they suck?
http://youtu.be/BYb5gh0agSY
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1649
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:03:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:On another slightly related note - a lot of people have been talking about the old type IIs and second equipment slots being amazing. I feel the need to remind you all that the second equipment slot was at the expense of both speed and most importantly our sidearm slot. You won't be running around with uplinks and scanners with nova knives, are you? What about when you need to reload your shotgun and have no SMG to switch to?
Yes, it would be cool to have two equipment slots again but just remember that it's not going to be just like we are with an extra equipment slot; we will have to sacrifice something pretty significant for it.
RE's make an excellent side arm.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1652
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:05:00 -
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chode ibex wrote:I'm not sure but, is the complex side arm dmg mod working? And did just the knives got worse? I've been using them for a while now, before the update I was using just basic/MLT dmg mod on my knife and can kill some people with it, but now, I cant even kill a light /med frame that were hacking most of the time unless I swiped them more than once. The only thing I've noticed is that the blue shields dont flicker when I hit someone that often anymore.
Yeah they broke them more with this "fix." Supposedly they will be getting hotfixed soon.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1673
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:23:00 -
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Hey guys. I'm starting a new series of short Minja related tips. Posted the first one a little bit ago. Pretty basic stuff but might help some new bros out. I'll be going through stuff using ADV equipment (sans shield extenders) so the lower SP guys can closer relate.
http://youtu.be/xzRk3eTxg80
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1673
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:28:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Killboard Updated: 10 Nov 2013, 18:00 (EVE)
Notes
First 1.6 update. Delta KDR is holding steady / inclining in more cases than anticipated. Tough odds out there, but you guys adapt pretty dang quick. Keep up the good work, brothers. o7
Happy Hunting,
Shotty GoBang Brick tank Gallente scout w/ scrambler rifle FTW!
Scrambler rifle is ridiculous.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1676
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:45:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:So tossed replaced my green juice with another basic plate. Back to slaying again XD So not used to running outta stamina in my scout suit.
You gallentes are hard to kill 1v1. :(
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1704
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:31:00 -
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Knives! they so good! Been taking down people when I should with them. I looooove it.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1711
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:55:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:
Unless your name is shotty. Ive seen him wax some guy in under 2 seconds, from 25 or 30m I think? :-/
Probably a 'bit further. Sharpshooter adds quite a 'bit of reach to the SMG. In my opinion, all high RoF weapons (excluding the HMG) should have Aim Assist dialed back a 'bit. Gun Game doesn't matter otherwise. On a side note, I'm running a pistol today. Only at Operation II, so I haven't unlocked the goodies yet, but ... HOLY COW THIS THING IS AWESOME!
It fits better with shotgun fits as well. The TTK with the pistol is very fast giving the enemy less chance to try to kill you. Headshots are insane. Sometimes when I'm running my shotgun I completely forget I actually have the shotgun and just mow people down with my TT-3.
The small clip really forces you to engage and run away in an incredibly short amount of time due to having to reload. With the SMG it takes like half a second to a second longer to kill someone and you have to keep your sights on them longer which gives them much longer to kill you. It's awesome for super tanked logi's and heavies because you can peck at them, take cover, reload, then run in again within a few seconds. :D
In my opinion the scrambler pistol might be the best side arm next to knives. With our low HP that insane alpha can't be beat.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1711
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:24:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:In my opinion the scrambler pistol might be the best side arm next to knives. With our low HP that insane alpha can't be beat.  Um, what? Honestly, in what way are Nova Knives even useful? My Viziam scrambler pistol probably has the same TTK as your NKs, only my optimal range ends at 25 meters. I can still count on 1 hand the number of times I've been killed by Nova Knives outside 1v1 knife fights. Your proto Scout with proto knives aren't going to be killing my Dragonfly Assault with Toxin AR + Toxin SMG or my Templar suits. And god luck on getting me with those in a suit I'm actually skilled into.
Knives have the highest potential alpha on a Minnie scout. While they lack range they make up in insane damage. Why would I be knifing a scout who isn't using knives themselves anyway? Sorry but I'm not dumb.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1722
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:07:00 -
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Made a new knifing video. Cameo from a bunch of scoutbros at the beginning. :D
http://youtu.be/bXjZB1vIHgw
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1723
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:15:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:First Prophet wrote:200 pages! And CCP still doesn't know we exist. 
That's 'cause scouts are so sneaky...? Right? ... Right?
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1725
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:46:00 -
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Kahn Zo wrote:and that, Ladies and Gentlemen is how it's done. Very nice sir cyrius. Please, spill about your build in the vid. I am impressed 
2 complex shields
1 cpu upgrade
1 enh. cardiac regulator
TT-3 Assault Scr. Pistol
ZN-28 Nova Knives
M-1 Locus Grenades
Remotes Explosives
Spaztastic play style. I like seeing how many people I can try to take down in a group before someone inevitably kills me.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1726
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Posted - 2013.11.17 19:56:00 -
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Kahn Zo wrote:
ah, A team quote....
what suit and level.
again, very nicely done.
Adv Minmatar Scout. I'm level 5 minnie scout if that's any help.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1748
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:48:00 -
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http://youtu.be/BQt60t9ul1M
Some tacnet tips. Nothing new for long time players or people familiar with shooters. The first 3 minutes are pretty entertaining. Shotty, Musturd, and myself vs a Sica. :D
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1751
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:35:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:cooldudesuper1 wrote:YOU just gotta mod dust scout bros, LOL if you figure out how, make a scout 999999 sheild w armor and insta reps, 4 equip slots, 5 highs 5 lows, 9999 PG 9999999 CPU, 120 M/s walk speed, instant hack speed, 500M scan range at 1DB is that OP NUFF for ya? LOOL Is this Nyra? We just had this conversation last night.
Filing this one in the Heist Plan folder.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:48:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:**Important** Factional Warfare Trading Fortunately Scouts have a half way decent community, so I can image we can probably do trading a lot easier and a lot fairer than the rest of the community LP Store Items + Specialist Lower fitting Cost ItemsEssentially we can get our scout fix on the basis of trading accordingly, I am hoping there is an amarr scout for pistols and a min scout for the sidearms damage (which I don't have skill into yet) CaldariOswald Rehnquist Shakti Ishii GallenteMinmatarLlast 326 AmarrKing Checkmate Edit: and I don't even use Knives
I'll probably have plenty of Minmatar LP Items when the time comes.
Just give me a weird trench coat and I'll be your Minnie Arms Dealer! :D
Whuddya buyin? Whuddya sellin?
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.19 00:18:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:
Its funny. Thanks to my time as a scout my game play is still the same but with an amarr assault XD
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In the end,im nothing more than a scout in an assault suit....
Same right here. I have my assault Mk.0 but honestly it's like a last resort or easy/lazy mode button for me. I spend perhaps 90% or more time in my scout suit. I just don't like running my assault. When I do play my assault I use almost the exact same tactics as I do with my scout. I'm flanking on the outside to get in close with my side arms while the slayers on my team are making loud noises with their ARs.
Scout suits are where the real fun is.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1767
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Posted - 2013.11.19 15:53:00 -
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Any RE users having issues activating their remotes lately? Please head this way:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1511176
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1770
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:56:00 -
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Had a blast last night with all you scouts, both with and against. I used footage from the matches last night in this: http://youtu.be/LGF5vYKLP4A
Warning: lots of scout on scout violence as I ramble on about defending objectives. Not for the weak of heart. Also, you might need to wait a few minutes for HD. Currently still processing.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1771
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:20:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Is the game worth it yet
Our love is worth it.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1776
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:12:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Had a blast last night with all you scouts, both with and against. I used footage from the matches last night in this: http://youtu.be/LGF5vYKLP4AWarning: lots of scout on scout violence as I ramble on about defending objectives. Not for the weak of heart. edit: After rewatching, why the kitten is that Amarr Assault as fast as I am? I only catch up because he turned around :( Ghost is happy for his few seconds of fame
I posted in the comments there but I'll ask the question here too just in case anyone knows. Does anyone know the distance of the fall off for sound on knives?
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I always wanted to ask, what controller set up do you guys use?
60 horizontal / 100 vertical. You're slow to turn around but if you're smart you won't have to check your own back. It makes fine aiming easier at ranges that matter in my opinion. With all the jumping I do the 100 sensitivity helps a lot. Though I haven't really played with it.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:36:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:^ heh stranger things have happened. Plus at least then you know you ruled something out if it didn't fix it.
So I tried the new fit out - scrambler pistol + knives. Fail. Will try again tomorrow, and refuse to be disheartened. I haven't figured out how the hell to use knives properly yet - sneaking up on ppl is easy kills, but in a battle with someone? Hmmm.....I really missed my shotty. Must...try...harder.
Also suspect I forgot some scout tactics and made bad engagement choices....or it could be it's only Thursday and the try-hards are still around capping.
Nvm - try try again.
[Edit]
Actually it wasn't all fail - headshot OHK in one Ambush ----- CLANGGGG :D
Knives in a face to face confrontation aren't recommended unless that guy is really close. Unload your pistol at the hip in close range while weaving in and out of cover. Most AR users will just spray the entire time, emptying their clip. If it's a logi he has to reload, that is your opportunity to rush them but you only have 2 seconds or so. If they have a side arm you have to try to close the distance before they can take aim.
Also I've found that a surprise slash then a hop back to fill them full of rounds works well.
While you're still getting the hang of it try to only engage people who are already fighting someone else.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:51:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:lol has anyone ever ever noticed that its usually easy to kill a heavy, even proto, because they are so cocky expecting an easy scout kill, or for some odd reason they just stand completely still and shoot at you?
kinda random, but i've been noticing this more so than ever lately.
I managed to kill a heavy who tried to ride up on me in his LLAV and HMG with my pistol and knives. I immediately drove his logi lav into the redline.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:46:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:lol has anyone ever ever noticed that its usually easy to kill a heavy, even proto, because they are so cocky expecting an easy scout kill, or for some odd reason they just stand completely still and shoot at you?
kinda random, but i've been noticing this more so than ever lately. I managed to kill a heavy who tried to ride up on me in his LLAV and HMG with my pistol and knives. I immediately drove his logi lav into the redline. You also drop tanks on Blueberry Redline Snipers
It's been a pretty troll filled week for me. :D
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Posted - 2013.11.23 16:08:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Question to the Ninjas:
Do the Advanced and/or Prototype Knives hit hard enough to be used by Gallente?
The proto types with proficiency absolutely. You'll have trouble one shotting a fully tanked gallente assault/logi or sentinel though.
It's more about how you use them I think. You can hit them with a high alpha charge and an SMG or pistol will bring them down with much ease right after.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.11.26 04:49:00 -
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So, did some solo play with some commentary.
SOLO MINJA!
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:57:00 -
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mr musturd wrote: gk0 can attempt to protostomp until a squad of any proto medium frames comes along. Minny has no chance of protostomping
But dude, we can take another 3 bullets. :D
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:15:00 -
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Infamous Erich wrote:Throw me in there when you get a chance im currently playing with my adv gallente scout with adv scrambler pistol and sub and can't forget my RE's got a 6 kill remote during FW last week near the end of the match tis was awsome since everyone in onslaught got to be a witness
Currently sitting at 5 kills as my max on an RE. For how often I run RE's you'd think i'd have at least done a squad wipe with a single RE at least once... nope. =*(
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:04:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:WTH are you guys talking about ... this "Shotty benefit" nonsense!? We're killers, god-d*mnit. Like to p*ss me off, all this gushiness :-) I've taken the past few days off to kick a pack-a-day nicotine habit. Quit cold-turkey. 7 days in. No issues resisting the "urge" ... until I try to play Dust. Tried twice. Wasn't pretty. Ask Musturd. Every little instance of "BS" -- things we expect as Scouts -- Nicotine Fiend Rage  Give me a week or two. I'm unpleasant at the moment. Hoping for good things come 1.7. Doubtful we'll get anything, but I'm hopeful for less bull-sh*t and more gun-game. All this "quiet" from the Devs ... think maybe they're nerfing Rifles? Maybe!?
Devblog incoming sometime very soon according to twitter. Good luck dude. i've quit like 4 times. I can never quit forever. I'm like a pack a week guy now. :(
The longest I ever quit was 5 months. Weened off with an E-cigarette.
Been smoking for like 10 years now so I feel you.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:54:00 -
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Appia always hating on the Minmatar.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:06:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Appia always hating on the Minmatar. Not really. They just are seriously unbalanced. One of my other characters, Phantasmal Priestess, is a 10M SP Min Logi. I'vesaid it on this board before, May 6th I put all her points into Min Scout and I just hated it. Hated it. So on the 16th I used the optional respec and I went for the Hacking Bonus... Only to findthat the things I didn't like about Min Scout were still the exact same things I hate about Min Logi Doesn't stop me from wrecking face though, but 4 Triage Nanohives giving you 180 reps/sec usually do that. Came in first on the killboard at the end of a PC with her yesterday
Yeah you get wrecked in no time flat in a Minnie and fitting options are limited. Not exactly a great suit admittedly. A lot of it's problems come from shield tanking being almost entirely worthless.
The assault isn't much better in terms of survivability.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:45:00 -
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Wasn't there supposed to be another nova knife improvement in 1.7?
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.04 20:31:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the flinch/impact mechanic always jumps your aim up and to the right. When I was testing with Ghaz his HMG and other weapons always made my crosshairs jump up and to the right. Pretty easy to counter.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.04 21:35:00 -
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I keep telling myself that by the time I get a buff, I'm going to getting 50+ kills a game due to playing a crap suit for so long.
You can make yourself believe anything you know.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:13:00 -
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This bums me out a lot. It's like your favorite bar tender leaving your favorite bar.
It's okay guys. We'll always have the scouts united... :|
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:26:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Woah.
What happened guys? And why is my name struck out? Or should it be stricken out? Striked out?
Whatever it is, why?
Shotty GoBang wrote:Final Standings:
Everyone's on the front page now :-)
If your name is displayed with Strikethrough, the following applies to you:
1) You were recently added. Collect 100 kills between your add date and Dec 9th to remove the [s].
2) You were inactive in 1.6. Collect 100 kills prior to close date to remove the [s].
3) You announced retirement (like Marauder, Lightning, Roner, etc).
4) You're a Scout at heart, but have switched to another suit (like Appia, Knight, etc.).
If you have an [s] over your name in error ...
Or I failed to mark you with [s] in error ...
Please let me know between now and the final update (Dec 9th).
Not sure what may apply to you.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:38:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Cass Caul wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Alts fix everything Posting altGǪ AR GoRATATATA you know you want to Posting alts? what lunacy is this! I don't think I know anyone that uses a posting alt. That's a dang good idea, but in my book, if its worth saying, its worth signing :-) I've said (and signed) that I'm retiring from the Forums. I've offered my very last word to feedback to CCP. Now, its pretty clear that the Devs don't pay any mind to the Scout Registry  So if I post here and only in here ... Just to keep in touch with you guys ... And certainly not to offer feedback to CCP ... I can maintain my retirement from the Forums ... <---- So long as I'm super sneaky about it ... lol
Put that alt in a Scouts United corp. ;)
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:53:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Shotty.... You better put my name back at the top!
That way 5 years from now when this game is on ps4 and is decently good, I will come back... And people will see my name and..
Merc 1: "Djinn marauder? I could swear I've seen that name before.."
Mrc 2: "You probably have... He was #1 in kills for that one old rare breed called... The Scout"
Merc 1: "The scout? I've heard legends and tales... I heard they were once the most feared thing on the battle field in closed beta... But worse of all.. That they were deadly EVEN after CCP tried to nerd them to extinction..
Merc 2 : yes... Those were legends... But I believe they were true.. Wait! I just got a scan margin of error!?
Merc 1: what!? That can't be.. It's impos.. *Bouncing ball of pavement sound* Gahhhh!!!
Merc 2: Oh God! Nooo GAHHHH ! They were true! I can't believe it,
*Marauder proceeds to tea bag in his quafe suit*
That's a beautiful tale.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.11 21:26:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Worth noting for the RE on vehiclesGǪ they don't stick or stay if they are deployed in the enemy redline. Not sure what happens if you stick them on a HAV and it rolls back across the line though. Requires more research. Worth Noting: * Prox Mines are not "sticky" like REs. * Prox Mines cannot rest atop a LAV. * Prox Mines cannot rest inside passenger compartment of LAV. ^ Still looking for added BOOM after being denied at 6 REs.
RE's will stay on the vehicle when it goes into the redline. Blew up a few maddys retreating yesterday.
New patch musings...
I switched out my SMGs for the three round burst combat rifle and having a lot of success. I play the role more like a spec ops, supporting the front line from a distance, thinning the herd, then going in with my knives and RE's. Not quite the upclose and personal thing that I like but you can pull off some epic flanks by killing a guy then moving/flanking to keep them guessing until you're right on top of them with your knives.
With the increase in tanks and vehicles in general RE's are invaluable. I have downed a so many tanks by dropping in on/sneaking up on a tank battlefield recon style and then blowing them. Be careful though I've noticed that a lot of players who most likely have played quite a bit of battlefield will immediately abandon their tank and try to kill you if they catch you tossing REs.
RE's, next to forges, are THE BEST anti-vehicle right now and honestly scouts are probably going the best at killing/trapping them.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.13 03:53:00 -
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Every match I've played today has had 4 tanks constantly. While some maps, this isn't much of a bother, other maps such as ashlands and manus peak are decided by who has the most tanks as you cannot take or defend points as they're sitting right in the open where tanks can hit them from anywhere or drive right up to them. Pretty frustrating.
Got banned from FW for remoting a red tank. Woooo.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 01:57:00 -
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I have officially rage quit dust more since this patch hit than any other patch and weirdly enough it has NOTHING to do with my suit this time.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.14 02:02:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I have officially rage quit dust more since this patch hit than any other patch and weirdly enough it has NOTHING to do with my suit this time. FW issues?
-FW Issues
-Old maps being the most horribly balanced pieces of garbage that leave infantry open to getting raped repeatedly by the constant tank spam
-Running in mud glitch getting me killed constantly
-Knife detection being ******* HORRIBLE.
-Ambush turning into Team Tank Spam
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.16 20:03:00 -
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Burst CR > Assault CR :D
If you haven't gone combat rifle/knife/re minmatar scout you guys are missing out. Flanks for days.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.21 17:41:00 -
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I don't get people.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:46:00 -
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I do believe fluxes don't "disarm" REs but actually causes them to explode. This trick is actually what got me kicked from FW last week. :D
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:00:00 -
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I actually tried the RE+Flux combo after watching a video of a guy in battlefield throw 3 slams on a tank and using a contact grenade to detonate them/injure the tank. Pretty fun wombo combo.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2013.12.24 00:22:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm addicted to speed.
With the advent of the LP store I don't have to go all the way to 5 for proper kincats - I can use some from the LP store.
And my oh my, they're fun.
Speccing into the Minmatar scout next - that speed is so much fun!
Now if kincats weren't so damn intensive.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:40:00 -
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lol
Thundercunt.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:28:00 -
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Keep the knife bonus. Lose the melee bonus.
Hate to say it but the Min scout is looking like the least appealing scout with all the other scout bonuses going to cloaking or dampening.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:44:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Keep the knife bonus. Lose the melee bonus. Give it a useful second skill or jack that melee bonus up so you do more melee than a commando so you're actually the hand to hand champ not a special olympics hand to hand champ.
Hate to say it but the Min scout is looking like the least appealing scout with all the other scout bonuses going to cloaking or dampening. I think they need to finally realize using a NK is a glorified melee, and role that all into one bonues, and maybe give us a hacking bonus as well. Myofibril + Side arm damage mods? Yes please! I rather not be forced to use damage mods thank you.
I agree with this. There's not enough slots on a scout. By throwing a damage mod on you're essentially cutting your HP down by quite a bit which is not at all worth it.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:46:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:If you guys look at the Caldari bonus, 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level
it is implied that there is a cost to just activating the cloak so I'm expecting some sort of "ammo" or "stamina bar" like mechanic involved here.
Especially when you consider that they used the term firing instead of activating... It makes me wonder.
edit:
another thing that makes me feel this has ammo is that the amarr bonus shows that there is already a cooldown, so if its not the cooldown which limits the use of the cloak, then there is another limiting mechanic involved which required a reduction.
I'm assuming it'll work kind of like Planetside 2's. When you activate it a bar begins to run out. When you deactivate or decloak to fire it begins recharging. I'm assuming that when you fire it'll take off a hefty percentage of the available time left to cloak.
This way you can cloak, move, uncloak, fire, recloak, move.
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Posted - 2014.01.10 00:06:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Also there is the concern that a gal logi would slap a cloak on and laugh at the fitting costs thus if the cloak is not 'prenerfed' you're going to wind up with a gal logi able to not only scan every single scout out there but he's able to out cloak you as well with heavier damage and defenses.
exactly. The only way to stop this from happening, is to make cloaks scout-only. Trouble is, seems like the CCP designers, are explicitly desiging FOR the cloaked gal logi to happen. Which makes quite a few of us non-logi players, really, really pissed.
Or jack up the CPU/PG cost of cloaks and jack up the fitting bonus to scouts to like 99%
I think it's complete bullshit that this piece of equipment that is meant to help a scout do it's job in and out of combat is obviously being balanced for EVERY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME except the scout suit. Every proposal I've seen is just a way to not make it OP in the hands of a medium frame.
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Posted - 2014.01.10 01:32:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:How come this hasn't been reopen by someone in another thread? It seems well liked and would hate for it to stop here.
It's about sending a message. You don't rebuild a monument when it is destroyed. You put up a sign and let the tourists enjoy what once was.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:50:00 -
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So what happens if scouts go on strike that week? :D
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me.
Passive scanning is not reliable.
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:03:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable. I dont think ive ever seen a reliability problem, other than the "doesnt scan through terrain" issue. I think it' s more accurate to say that it's not all that useful, until you've skilled it out to at least 30m, but preferably over 40m
Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.
It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.
Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:08:00 -
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Jak'Saan wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.
It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.
Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
I am precision lvl 5 and radius lvl 5, I run an adv precision mod and a cpx range mod and I've noticed a few things. To be honest I think it is a latency/scan cycle issue. Why I think so is that, when I simply run without waiting, I run into baddies that were not scanned by passive. If I wait a fraction of a second, they get scanned. Which is why if you have cpx range, you will almost always scan them since it will take a sec for them to get to you. If you think about it, the active scanners have the same bug. Where red dots don't pop up as soon as you scan them sometimes. Instead, It's like it waits a second (even after your scanner is done scanning) and then pops up. To me, sounds like latency.
Yeah pretty safe assessment. I made a comment in a video I did a while back about how sometimes it feels more like sonar pinging people and that ping just takes an insane amount of times sometimes.
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:32:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:So how effective is a gal scout with knives? Am I going to be reliant on the charge shots or will the basic slashes be enough?
You'll have to charge shot more suits. Whether thats a big deal is entirely up to you.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:44:00 -
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It's a niche weapon for niche play. Sure they might not be the most practical but they are deadly in the hands of a few. Most importantly they are FUN. I'm certainly not the best knifer in this game but I specced into this suit so I wanted to learn how to use it to the best of it's ability. I used to think that knives were just fun but I will would be lying if I said they weren't effective when used practically and sensibly.
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:24:00 -
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You speed tankers are crazy. I hung up my kincats a long time ago.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 17:24:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:So not only are scouts paper thin, we are going to double the cost of our suits....or even triple. Iron Wolf Saber wrote:most shotty scouts can't run that mentality its cost inefficent and knowing cloaks from eve they're going to be expensive and would likely double the price of any suit they're attached to. This has more to do with the amount of tech going into the module to make them though eve side. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1703889#post1703889
again that's eve and not dust.
I doubt when launched a cloak will cost more than any other piece of equipment.
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:So not only are scouts paper thin, we are going to double the cost of our suits....or even triple. Iron Wolf Saber wrote:most shotty scouts can't run that mentality its cost inefficent and knowing cloaks from eve they're going to be expensive and would likely double the price of any suit they're attached to. This has more to do with the amount of tech going into the module to make them though eve side. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1703889#post1703889 again that's eve and not dust. I doubt when launched a cloak will cost more than any other piece of equipment. It could cost the most of any but whats that? - Most expensive things I run outside of weapons are damage mods at around 6k But then again its equipment - Hives and Scanners can be pricey. 40k - 60k complex?
60k for complex? Jesus. Thats just as much as a proto suit. If I was paying 60k for a cloak then no one would equip one.
I am going to be blunt, I think people are trying to spin cloaking into this horrible light. These things aren't even out and I have never seen so much ridiculousness surrounding one piece of equipment.
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Scout Registry wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:
I've been using the CR lately and feeling this, it's extremely effective, but it can get boring really quick and I end up doing stupid **** to try and get enjoyment out of it.
Exactly. I've been running RR and NKs lately. Given the opportunity, I'll always kill a merc with knives rather than plugging him in the back of the head from safe distance. Because its more fun. Why do you think I have Flaylocks?
Because you're a special breed of masochist.
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Scanners/profile need to be rebalanced. Hardcore. If a scout gets scanned his effectiveness is battle is decreased by epic proportions.
A gal logi will make 3/4 of scouts worthless on the battlefield.
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mollerz wrote:Cool details I see..
So every scout has an impending loss of a sidearm save the minja.. hmm..
You know- I'd kind of go all knives for a second equipment slot on my minja. But that would be pretty limiting.
Is it true minimatar knives are coming out?
Probably not in any sort of foreseeable future.
The only way I'd go literally knives only is if the minmatar was the stealthiest and the best at cloaking. Both of which it is not going to be good at.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:50:00 -
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If they fixed footsteps so they were a reliable indicator they wouldn't need to make cloaks hum.
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:If they fixed footsteps so they were a reliable indicator they wouldn't need to make cloaks hum. Sound glitches so much in this game anyway but if they do put it in I hope its quite low. - You should need to be in a quiet area without gunfire or vehicular noise to hear it. Personally I would prefer the only cue being the shimmer which CCP needs to show before we continue talking about how strong the cloak will be and what mechanics we need to implement to balance it. If I can look out and pick up mercs moving then I really dont want to hear about any nerfs. At the moment just a quick look in hills and you can spot most people. Its only if they are tucked in between hills do you need to listen for gun fire.
The sound for decloaking should be the same as the decloak sound for someone spawning in. This would allow you to get near an objective and not stand out like crazy. You'll just sound like another person spawning in. Outside of spawn locations this sound will be a little weird. I'm alright with cloak/decloak sounds.
There definitely should not be any more sound indicators other than footsteps/your normal movement sounds for cloaks while traversing. Every added downside to cloaks makes them more and more useless/impractical to use and just a gimmick that everyone will get tired of equipping real quick.
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A regular sniper doesn't need a side arm? Don't you mean a redline sniper doesn't need a side arm?
A sniper is a prime example of someone who ABSOLUTELY needs a side arm.
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:A regular sniper doesn't need a side arm? Don't you mean a redline sniper doesn't need a side arm? A good sniper should never be seen, he should never let anyone near him, so no, he doesn't need a sidearm.
We can continue to disagree on everything.
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You know those logi's with swarms and sniper rifles that you all laugh at when you get close to because they stupidly equipped a weapon in their one equipment slot that does nothing against infantry or is useless in close range?
Yeah that's going to be all of you.
Have fun with that.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:13:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Scout Registry wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:A regular sniper doesn't need a side arm? Don't you mean a redlframe for his craft sniper doesn't need a side arm? A good sniper should never be seen, he should never let anyone near him, so no, he doesn't need a sidearm. Ahhh ... Then all the good snipers must use Scout Suits. And no good Snipers use the Logi frame. Curious how there exists only a handful of Scout Snipers. Best sniper I know as in full time is a bastard named cere harkens. I can without a shadow of a doubt say he has never used a scout frame.
Cere on manus peak
ughhhhhhhh
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noob cavman wrote: you've been touched as well?
It's been a while since I've seen the name but Cere is a big reason why I absolutely loathe manus peak. Cere used to play for Amarr/Caldari so I'd see them in games constantly. One night I played against Cere about 4 or 5 times. Cere sniped near 100 people in those games and never died.
Impressive and irritating all at the same time.
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Llast 326 wrote:I know this is completely off from everything that is being talked about butGǪ.
Trolling a Rail tank
necessary set up
1. Find accessible rail tank
2. turn the volume down
3. use fitting with charge SR
4. stealthily approach rail tank
5. Sit on or near tank (preferably on top of turret)
6. Charge shot and holdGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ
7. Try to stay on
8. Enjoy hate mail
That sound is seriously annoying.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:14:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:On the issue of losing my side arm.
Simply that blows, and my smgs and the new lil toy for me personally the nova knifes is never going to be used again probably.
Large maps will get the rail rifle, close maps = SG.
When I do decide to rock the SG I'm going to have to cross my fingers every time I decide to go for a run after a red dot. I mean we know how hard it is for a red dot to just glance to the side and just start hip firing at ya, well outside of ur few meters optimal range weapon.
CCP Troll wrote:But bro you'll have this sweet cloak to get right next to your enemy with. Certainly people won't be able to walk backwards to counter knives and shotguns.
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:would you trade a grenade slot instead?
f'sho
I guess. Better than a side arm.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 02:57:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:mollerz wrote:How about
1L/1SA/2EQ.
period. done.
wtf is the problem with that?
A logi has 9 mod slots.
where is this scout nerfing logic coming from? it's getting to be ridiculous. WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GIVING UP A GRENADE SLOT? I recant my previous statement. Mollerz has the right of it. If there are to be any restrictions, keep out CPU/PG low so we can't reasonably fit two pieces of equipment without sacrificing elsewhere, unless one of them is the cloak. If the cloak is to be out millstone, then don't punish us for it. 1L/1S/1G/2EQ.
the best answer.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 19:43:00 -
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Every time I see someone say that scouts should not be in combat I just face palm. Seriously guys?
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well going to push for a just a pure unadultered +1 EQ on scouts see how far I get. The SA or GE are nearly equal on reasons why losing it is a bad idea, maybe half and half but bleh not fun argument.
Good.
Losing a slot is absolutely ridiculous.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 20:22:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:
Movement, Sprint, "stealth," and tactical awareness are the Scout needs.
Appia being appia aside, this sentence right here is what defines the scout and should not be forgotten when balance comes about. As of right now our base movement speed and hitbox size are the only things another suit can't do better.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 20:27:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Chased a gal logi for entire match today. Knifed him 5 times, remoted him twice. I think im developing a irrational hatred of that suit
It's only natural.
KILL THE LOGI
KILL THE LOGI
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Appia Vibbia wrote:I'm only this way because I'm better than you 
I love you too appia.
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Also, 8 days to a tripple SP event. I have 1 Omega Active booster that I'll use. Going to get over 1million SP GÖÑ
Same.
CPU/PG skill maxing here I come... wooo... 
Such a boring way to spend so much SP.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:01:00 -
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so i usually make fun of Ghost for running flaylock and knives but I double stacked kin cats and ran a GN with my Ishukones and actually did very well. I'd go in for the knife and if it didn't kill them I just cleaned up with the flaylock. If someone engaged me further out though I was screwed.
Very hard to kill someone who isn't a STD with just the flaylock but pretty fun.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:10:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:so i usually make fun of Ghost for running flaylock and knives but I double stacked kin cats and ran a GN with my Ishukones and actually did very well. I'd go in for the knife and if it didn't kill them I just cleaned up with the flaylock. If someone engaged me further out though I was screwed.
Very hard to kill someone who isn't a STD with just the flaylock but pretty fun. IT'S SPREADING But yeah, it's the king of quick alpha damage for sidearms. If someone survives the Knife, whip out the flay, shoot their feet and run. It's quick, and bloody efficient. It lacks the range, but it's great in CQC. Run with RE's for maximum fun.
I had a great game on communications against a team with a ton of a heavies and I would literally run circles around them doing flaylock bombing runs.
If they buffed the flaylock's damage output I'd actually run this combo for more than just the challenge.
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I dislike flaylocks they're the type of projectile weapon I would miss with most of the time the speed is just in that spot I cannot comp for it. Its no mass driver or plasma cannon where I zero'd in on you within the second shot. Also constantly missing point blank engagements with them reminds me how woeful my projectile skills are.
They act a little weird sometimes though. I played a match where I was trying to direct hit a heavy that wasn't moving, I was about 4 m behind him and the projectiles literally passed right through him. I'll have to got through my footage to see if I actually recorded that game because it was definitely a "what da fuq" moment.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:05:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I think it needs to be said that ZNs are only viable if your knifing skills as well as M scout skills are maxed out. Otherwise you have to use IshNoks.
I'm maxed out and notice the huge difference in TTK between the two when it comes to slashing. I couldn't imagine without the bonuses.
Every time I see a STD nova knife kill in the feed I know that guy had to work for that ****.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:23:00 -
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I think I got the sprint bug every time I switched weapons today. I died so many effing times today because I couldn't move.
GRAAAAAH
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:13:00 -
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Knife hit detection is way too easily broken by someone jumping and it's too easy for them to then counter merely by walking backwards. I'll visually connect with people/get flares but no damage done quite a bit.
Better players have a bit better reaction time so they usually hear the charge then just jump and then whaddyuh know? You're dead. Frustrating for sure. Protostomp wednesdays are pretty infuriating when you know you had someone but the game decided it wasn't in your favor.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:04:00 -
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So earlier today I posted up in the scouts united about finding a thale's sniper... Here's the video.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:25:00 -
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whut.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:58:00 -
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That third low slot is EXACTLY what the suit needed.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:04:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Damn Amarr Scout sounds perhaps too good. 2 H 4 L at prototype, 170 armor 60 shield, only 0.4 m/s slower than the Minmatar scout . .
I think that's strafe speed. Not really a big deal honestly.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:05:00 -
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Just noticed that scouts all get hacking bonuses.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Just noticed that scouts all get hacking bonuses. Actually its innate ability they all currently have according to the SDE.
Really? Never noticed the difference between my assault and scout. TIL
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am really afraid of the new Caldari Sentinel....
dat deplete delay.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:45:00 -
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So guys... now that we're not going to be mega gimped...
What are we going to have to ***** about now?
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:05:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:We were deadly when we were gimped...
We will be OP as **** once we get our balanced suits...
Can't wait for the tears >:)
I'd like to think that the time I've spent in this horribly weak suit will bet the equivalent of Goku removing his weighted clothing.
Yeah, I made a dragon ball reference.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:14:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:lol.
But does anyone else feel like these are too good? It looks too OP to me tbh lol.
But then again I have been looking at my gimped scout for the past 6 months... Maybe I'm so used to it that decent mod layouts and skills are making me go all love mode on CCP lol
You've just been in an abusive relationship with your suit for too long.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:21:00 -
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The flaylock is getting left behind....
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Where is he pulling the 25% extra damage? Also: This should go on the front page. That was quick. We don't even have the suits yet
To the knives.
Must have been knifed too many times this week.
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Aero Yassavi wrote:This was brought up in the Amarr scout bonus parity thread, but what is the Amarr scout racial bonus was the equivalent of every other scout, meaning it had a free complex module and standard module. The standard module would be the stamina, while the complex module would be 2% scrambler pistol damage per level. This would also cause the Amarr scout to mirror the Minmatar scout (both having weapon damage bonuses) much in the same way that they Gallente and Caldari mirror each other (dampening versus precision).
Could work but I think you're underestimating how useful that much stamina on a scout is going to be.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:20:00 -
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@shotty
I'll vote for honorary scout. IWS actively started to engage our little community/stepped in our shoes when the time was right.
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@qn
Knives show base uncharged damage per swipe. Each trigger pull gets you two swipes. Charge is a 2.5 multiplier.
Not sure where damage mods fall in the order of multiplication though. If I had to guess it would be after the charge and each swipe.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:51:00 -
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I posted my thoughts about the Amarr scout in another thread if you guys wanna give a read. I'd like to know what people think about all these scouts in general.
So far there's been very little buzz about the caldari scout. To me it's kind of the most boring. Not my style.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:00:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Do my eyes decieve me or are we getting a speed increase?
Yeah it looks like we get about a basic kin cat's worth.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:16:00 -
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Driftward wrote:I also just realized this....
Why should the gallente logi be getting the boost to active scanner? Shouldn't that be a caldari logi bonus with the caldari race being associated with intelligence gathering ( and the cal scout getting precision enhancements). It would seem to make much more sense that CAL logi get the active scanner and the GAL scout be used as a specific counter to it. You know, opposing sides and all.
Is this making sense or am I mixing up my lore / combat themes for the races?
I just think it's very odd and unbalanced that gallente scouts are the only counter to gallente logis.... (speaking as a caldari FW militia man)
never thought about it that way.
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Spademan wrote:Do my eyes decieve me or are we getting a speed increase? Yeah it looks like we get about a basic kin cat's worth. Did they post our sprint speed somewhere?
I glanced through shayz spread sheet and swore I saw sprint speed but then I started looking at all the info/spreadsheet they provided and can't find where they got the sprint speed. So I lied.
Movement speed is the same on the minmatar though. Didn't check gallente.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:14:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Not the most exciting thing, but what about adding a cloak duration bonus onto that 20% stamina/regen bonus? With that much stamina, I imagine an Amarr scout will be spending a lot of time sprinting. May as well make as much of it invisible as possible.
everyone bitched about no specific cloak bonuses. This is what people wanted. No cloak bonuses.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:21:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Krom Ganesh wrote:Not the most exciting thing, but what about adding a cloak duration bonus onto that 20% stamina/regen bonus? With that much stamina, I imagine an Amarr scout will be spending a lot of time sprinting. May as well make as much of it invisible as possible.
everyone bitched about no specific cloak bonuses. This is what people wanted. No cloak bonuses. Which racee are cloaks associated with in eve?
Pretty sure they're associated to a specific class of ship (spec ops = the scout in this case) not a race. They all just get a fitting cost bonus and a reduction to lock on time after decloak. Not an eve guy though.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:20:00 -
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Scanners would probably be useful for a minmatar or amarr if they wanted to make up for the short range of sight compared to caldari/gallente.
I'll still run my RE's though. :3
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scanners would probably be useful for a minmatar or amarr if they wanted to make up for the short range of sight compared to caldari/gallente.
I'll still run my RE's though. :3 If Aero and I both skill Scouts, I know I will, I think I'll be the guy lugging the RE's
Pack hunting is whats up.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:58:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Haerr wrote:
@All
If everyone created a forum posting alt and put them in a scout corp we would have access to our own little private forum to share builds, guides and tactics. Every time I log on to the forums this thread has added a few pages at the very least and it is taking longer and longer to keep up with what is being said in here.
This is an excellent idea! Super secret hangout, level up! Alts apply to Nos Nothi <--- translation: "we bastards" :-) This way we can keep our progressions, builds and tactics safe from prying eye. Not to mention, stay better organized! Edit: Ticker ... EF.EZ mwahahaha
APP sent. :D
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:16:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:What's the corp called?
I'll put my alt in it today.
nos nothi
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:01:00 -
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Iddon just informed me the max HP for an amarr scout is.... 1023. mother of god.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iddon just informed me the max HP for an amarr scout is.... 1023. mother of god. But who would brick tank a Scout, except to troll Assault suits?
*looks at appia*
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So I'm wondering what scout to spec into after the patch.
*snip*
Anyone else care to share their thoughts?
Hard question. The grass is ALWAYS going to be greener. I'm staying minnie but kind of want to specc into one more scout suit but cannot decide which one. I like all of them for different reasons.
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:19:00 -
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I might go caldari so I can hunt all of you!
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:09:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:mollerz wrote:
@ghost Did you run the hack time on a hacking lev 5 skill with M scout Lv 5?
Yep. 1.1 base x 1.25 skill bonus = 1.375. 1.375 x 1.25 class bonus = 1.72x Hack Speed It's either calculated like that or it's 1.1 * 1.5 = 1.65x Hack Speed. This means you hack a 10s objective in 5.8s without modules. I think my math is correct. Not sure how they do the hack calculations. Appia would probably know better.
I hate hacking stuff. Now I guess I have no excuse. 
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:16:00 -
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Well capping an objective in battlefield is much different than capping one here. Well unless it's an MCOM in rush. Then I guess the same "I'm going to die" circumstances arrive. Most of the time I'll clear an objective of red, get about one tick away from finishing a hack and then someone spawns in and kills me.
This will probably actually fix that problem. I'm still not going going to like it. I FEEL EXPOSED.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:40:00 -
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@ IWS I tried to explain how huge that stamina bonus is to some people but a lot of people dont get it. I personally think stamina is one of those things that is hard to explain how important it is to a scout so everyone is like "MEhhhh boring." Boring yes, but important to your survival it is.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:48:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:I just don't think they should have an innate complex cardiac regulator. I like tehh 5% per level bonus. they just need something else that compliments scouts more.
Give Amarr Scouts extra durability to equipment or something with cloak.
No cloak bonuses. If they get a cloak bonus you might as well go backa nd rebalance all the suits and give them the cloak bonuses they would have had.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 19:50:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The thing is though the amarr suit has a built in modules as is.
On top of the plate is has built in it has 3x proto stamina regen portion and 1 complex portion of the max stamina of the regulator preinstalled at max level, 1 basic codebreaker to top it all off.
IWS, get your numbers straight. The lowest scout's base stamina regen is 30. Amarr scout's stamina regen is 40. So this is just a 33% bonus, or 1/3 of a complex cardiac regulator stamina regen portion. The lowest scout's base stamina is 200. The Amarr scout's stamina is 225. This is just a 12.5% bonus, or 1/8 of a complex cardiac regulator stamina portion. Also you are failing to understand that the reason is Amarr have more stamina is because they are slower, and they are slower because they have 30 more HP. That's already balanced within itself. Don't see how having more armor and more stamina is made up for simply by being slower? Let me explain. Let's calculate how far the suits can sprint. Assuming that sprint speeds are 1.4x the movement speed, G: 7.63 m/s * 20 seconds = 152.6 meters C: 7.63 m/s * 20 seconds = 152.6 meters M: 7.91 m/s * 21 seconds = 166.11 meters A: 7.35 m/s * 22.5 seconds = 165.375 meters As you can see, the increased stamina is so it can travel roughly the same distance while sprinting, but it still achieves this at a slower pace which is a negative and made up for by the positive of 30 more HP. Amarr base is 225 + scout bonus 1.25* at lvl 5 resulting in a 281.25 and if you wall wait some darn tootin minutes Ill get the entire marathon laid out. Amarr scouts best trait will be presence, being in places he needs to be well before other people get there over longer distances. But IWS, we're not asking for 100% bonus on top of it's 25% bonus, we're asking 100% bonus from the base value to make the bonus in-line with the rest of the racial bonuses. Thus, you need to look at the base stamina, 225, not the stamina after the current bonus.
You have to take regen into account not just stamina pool.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:09:00 -
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When thinking about stamina you have to consider it's two uses currently in game: the marathon at the beginning of a match, and your ability to sustain motion during hectic fights. One of the prime abilities of a scout on CQC maps is the ability to be nearly everywhere at once. Your stamina dictates not just your survivability but how aggressive you can be in combat. It dictates how much presence you can have on the battlefield. When you run out of stamina you are easily hunted down and killed. Most of my deaths when I'm on a roll come from when I finally run out of stamina and can no longer kite/run away from my enemy.
In these realistic applications of stamina and aggression, a scout must take breaks to refill his stamina pool. Even with a complex regulator a minmatar/gallente/caldari scout has to wait for a very long time once he runs out of stamina or he will have to choose to continue to fight with in a weakened state. A scout entering a fight with less than half a stamina bar and runs into something unexpected is probably going to die.
With a bonus to pool AND regen the realistic applications of stamina on an Amarr scout means this: With it's higher EHP and juggernaut like stamina he will be able to remain aggressive until his HP runs out. Not the other other way around like every other scout. You spend practically no time with regen (you're not supposed to be about HP regen anyway). You can remain aggressive until you 1. Run out of ammo 2. Get killed.
No scout is sprinting 100% of the time. Sometimes it feels like it but it's not. Especially if you're jumping over railings a lot. The Amarr's regen and pool size means it will practically never see it's stamina depleted in most situations.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:23:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:When thinking about stamina you have to consider it's two uses currently in game: the marathon at the beginning of a match, and your ability to sustain motion during hectic fights. One of the prime abilities of a scout on CQC maps is the ability to be nearly everywhere at once. Your stamina dictates not just your survivability but how aggressive you can be in combat. It dictates how much presence you can have on the battlefield. When you run out of stamina you are easily hunted down and killed. Most of my deaths when I'm on a roll come from when I finally run out of stamina and can no longer kite/run away from my enemy.
In these realistic applications of stamina and aggression, a scout must take breaks to refill his stamina pool. Even with a complex regulator a minmatar/gallente/caldari scout has to wait for a very long time once he runs out of stamina or he will have to choose to continue to fight with in a weakened state. A scout entering a fight with less than half a stamina bar and runs into something unexpected is probably going to die.
With a bonus to pool AND regen the realistic applications of stamina on an Amarr scout means this: With it's higher EHP and juggernaut like stamina he will be able to remain aggressive until his HP runs out. Not the other other way around like every other scout. You spend practically no time with regen (you're not supposed to be about HP regen anyway). You can remain aggressive until you 1. Run out of ammo 2. Get killed.
No scout is sprinting 100% of the time. Sometimes it feels like it but it's not. Especially if you're jumping over railings a lot. The Amarr's regen and pool size means it will practically never see it's stamina depleted in most situations. Two things 1) Again, no one is arguing that stamina is a bad bonus. The argument is simply the value per level is not on par with the other racial bonuses. 2) It has been proven that the Amarr does not really have that much higher HP. Only 30 more, or 37.5 when you add in armor and shield upgrades. That is hardly much of a better inherent stat bonus than say the Gallente's inherent 3 hp/s armor rep or Caldari's inherent 50 hp/s shield regen and low delays. What I am getting at here is again, you balance base stats with base stats and racial bonuses with racial bonuses if you want the best overall balance.
But the normal application of numbers can't be applied here. Sometimes you can't balance stuff merely by the numbers.
Same thing with knives. The bonus makes it so you don't have to charge shot people. That's whats special about it. The charge shot bonus is like "yeah whatever" it's the NON charge shot that makes it special. You have to crank that up to make a skilled knifer able to do what a shotgunner does. It's not about the super high alpha charge shot. It's about the quick slash and IT'S application that makes it combat viable.
You can't always balance stuff by the numbers without thinking about how it's actually applied in battle. I'm telling you these things as a practically full time scout. I would not direct this suit in a bad position as I know what it's like to be gimped.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:41:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: . . .I'll stick with my burst sprinting though. I don't jump too much in combat. You should really learn to hop around more. Increase survivability dramatically.
Bunny hoppers break my knives
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:30:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Personally, I'd like to see a small bonus to pistol damage or something like that for the Amarr along side its current stamina bonus.
Like, i dunno, 2% per level?
Amarr Commando.
Increasing the damage for a pistol on a scout is extremely dangerous. If they want more damage they should risk their tank. I ran pistols and knives for a long time and even with zero proficiency skills an ADV pistol will give a proto suit witha proto weapon with proper skills invested a large run for it's money.
A scout with an extra 10% plus 10% for a damage mod plus cloaking with a pistol would be absolutely ridiculous.
Plus we need to be careful how we buff marauder.
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:38:00 -
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@ marauder They'd have to change the mechanic for pistols then as the current minmatar bonus to side arms only gives you 1 extra round.
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:13:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I actually got a GN flaylock kill last night... the unfortunate target had one foot in the grave which made it possible.
Unless they're a scout or a militia suit thats about the only way you're going to kill someone with a flaylock.
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:17:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:mollerz wrote:I actually got a GN flaylock kill last night... the unfortunate target had one foot in the grave which made it possible. Unless they're a scout or a militia suit thats about the only way you're going to kill someone with a flaylock. Nope. Direct shots and Proficiency works wonders for it. I've killed gal logi's by popping in and out of cover and shredding them with armor damage. Took about 2 clips, but their tears are so sweet.
Lol yes, two clips which is like... half of your total ammo pool.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 05:40:00 -
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YES
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Posted - 2014.01.22 05:52:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Those scanners new precision
Still be able to beat up to an adv passive. When your cloak is active you'll beat a proto scanner. :D
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:13:00 -
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To add to marauders numbers:
For every non gallente suit (profile of 35) with one complex dampener (-25%) will beat a non-gal logi focused scanner while cloaked (-25%). Their dampening comes out to 19.68 when cloak is active.
You'll beat an ADV scanner at any level passively and when your cloak is active you'll beat a proto scanner without a damp.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:16:00 -
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Appia Nappia wrote:check that number again, moody. 0.25 modifier is a 75% reduction
I assumed it was -25%. If it's a 75% reduction then it's... 6.56 but that doesn't seem right but i'll allow it. :D
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:28:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Some notes about cloak : (Take with a grain of salt, they may have changed or I may have just completely misunderstood.)
- Logi equipment bonus does not apply to their PG/CPU cost. Only scouts get the bonus to fit cloaks
- Cloaks have more in common with stamina than with the active modules vehicles use. You get some kind of funky cloak bar that diminishes as you use it, and it takes the time listed under "recharge" in the table to go from depleted to full.
Wolfman or Remnant is probably going to make an actual devpost, so I won't steal their thunder with the actual mechanics (which may very well have changed since we discussed them)
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:32:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Also I'm sure this has been brought up, but since it sounds like shooting automatically ends your cloak, doesn't that make the complex cloaks bad? Because every time you shoot, you have to wait 40 seconds to recloak opposed to 20 seconds if you're using standard? Unless you are planning on running around invisible for 80 seconds not doing much, the complex cloak seems bad.
Its apparently going to act like stamina so you can cloak decloak at your leisure :D
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:07:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Marad''er wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Appia Nappia wrote:check that number again, moody. 0.25 modifier is a 75% reduction I assumed it was -25%. If it's a 75% reduction then it's... 6.56 but that doesn't seem right but i'll allow it. :D "Cloaked Scan Profile Reduction" I assume that means whatever number is written means how much the profile is being reduced BY. So it would mean -25% of the suit's profile. Howeve it COULD also mean it is being reduced TO 25% of the suits profile.. Idk anymore :( Just being a smart ass hereGǪ But my money is on the benefit that will allow Logi to fit it without sacrificing to many slotsGǪ From what nova knife said (I think he said it) logi's skill to 25% reduction to equipment won't apply to cloak Regardless though I'm sure they'll be able to fit it... You know.. With all them CPU and pg they have
Their biggest hurdle is dampening. An adv scanner will pick up any logi who isn't dampened. That logi will end up sacrificing most of their equipment slots and about 2 low slots just to be able to hide from proto scanners so the cloak isn't worthless.
Sure they'll be able to fit them but it's going to be an inefficient build.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:16:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:Can you hide from scanners.. While scanned?
For example:
I am running my slayer amarr scout with a basic cloak.
I get proto scanned
I pull out cloak and cloak which puts my signature under the proto scanner. While I am cloaked, will I still be on the radar? If I decloak will I be hidden from the initial scan a couple seconds before hand?
Good question.
SOMEONE SUMMON THE DEVS
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:17:00 -
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Nyra Volki wrote:Dual cloaking is out of the question also even with max CPU, PG, Scout Bonus it still takes up a lot. Seeing that probably not going to spec into the Cloaking. would be a waste of skill points for me.
You can't equip more than one cloak at a time anyway.
Why would you want two cloaks with the way they work anyway? They recharge like stamina not single use followed by cooldown.
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The cloak's CPU/PG requirements actually being massive and making the cloak become a serious investment makes me happy.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NOOBS?!
...
Seriously though I love that you have to invest quite a bit of SP into the role before you can even get into cloaking.
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The cloak's CPU/PG requirements actually being massive and making the cloak become a serious investment makes me happy. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NOOBS?! ... Seriously though I love that you have to invest quite a bit of SP into the role before you can even get into cloaking. TBH I dislike how noobs will be unable to use what's probably going to be a defining feature of a class, although it does provide some barrier to it becoming FotM immediately.
A scout getting his cloak will actually be semi meaningful for him/her. It'll be like graduating from rookie scout to actual scout. Yeah there are some downsides to newbros not being able to try them but if they like scout suits they'll love the suit without the cloak.
I'm just happy newbros will be able to beat adv scanners right off the get go. That alone increases new scout survivability by quite a bit.
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Krom Ganesh wrote:I'm guessing the cloak's dampening is actually intended for non-scouts. Fitting a cloak already severely gimps their fits and expecting them to fit a bunch of damps (if the cloak didn't provide dampening) on top of it is probably a bit overkill. CCP wants the cloak to be difficult to fit on non-scouts, not pointless.
However, yes, the cloak's dampening on top of a scout's low profile might be too good.
Well it does kind of act like an active dampener. It'll help you in those situations where there's only one guy on the map running a proto scanner. You can just cloak up when they're near by or you get scanned. This way you dont have to run a damped suit for the entire match.
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Driftward wrote:...snip....
I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. I have to do that now or just not run my suit. The point of the suit is to avoid detection. To reduce it's ability to avoid detection anymore will put us right back at where we are now: having to gimp our suits to avoid scanners.
I want those days to be over. I'm tired of my eHP getting cut because one person is running a scanner. I will already have to cut my eHP to run a damp if someone is using a focus. I'd rather not have to run two and waste all three of my low slots just to avoid detection.
Simply put, the bonus makes sense. It's an active dampener with a bonus high enough to get a scout below a focused when he wants to be. It allows a scout to be a scout.
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Lucifalic wrote:i say no to the cloak dampening.... it isnt needed. if someone is using a focused scanner you should have to "waste" a low slot or two to avoid it. The scanner certainly isnt cheap on both cpu and your pocketbook. I used to be against it but now i just deal with it and adapt. Plus ill find the funker using the thing and hunt him. Can you say knife to the neck??
He will not see you coming either.
You're already going to have use 1 low slot PLUS a cloak to beat a focus.
No, a suit shouldn't have to use most of it's low slots because of one guy.
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Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Driftward wrote:...snip.... I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. first, please note that focused is now only 20. Not to mention that will no longer be scan-spin... and it has a horrendous cooldown time. Quote:
I have to do that now or just not run my suit.
Wuss!!
...?
With one complex damp and skills a scout is at 23.6 db.
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Django Quik wrote:Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again.
Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around. To rely on peoples laziness to equip the proper scanner is not a way to balance something.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:43:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Lucifalic wrote:i say no to the cloak dampening.... it isnt needed. if someone is using a focused scanner you should have to "waste" a low slot or two to avoid it. The scanner certainly isnt cheap on both cpu and your pocketbook. I used to be against it but now i just deal with it and adapt. Plus ill find the funker using the thing and hunt him. Can you say knife to the neck??
He will not see you coming either. You're already going to have use 1 low slot PLUS a cloak to beat a focus. No, a suit shouldn't have to use most of it's low slots because of one guy. Be that as it may... the problem with the cloak bonus to dampening is that logis will be getting the most out of it. and to hell with medium frames ;) No matter what happens ill just have to deal with it. Im only hoping we dont see a huge influx of meds switching to scout and running cloaks and brick tanking.... Of course that would be fun to hunt them in a cal scout hunter suit ;)
A logi will completely ruin his suit to equip a cloak and dampeners. Even with cloak active without a damp an adv scanner will pick them up. If a logi wants to fill all of his lot slots with upgrades and damps to become a fake scout let him. He'll have no room for a good weapon, any other equipment, or any sort of tank.
The bonus is not for other suits. It's for us.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:10:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Django Quik wrote:Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again. Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around. To rely on peoples laziness to equip the proper scanner is not a way to balance something. There have been a lot of focused scanners in pubs lately. I'm tired of the things, and don't want to have to crap out my suit just to avoid 'em.
Yes the scout event has brought peoples paranoia up by quite a bit. Soon people will realize "oh if i equip that I don't have to worry about that scout anymore nor anyone else. "
That's only one person in a squad of 6 that has to move from a proto side arm and nade to a std side arm and std nade. You guys have to remember that people talk to each other over comms and relay intel. Also scanners display your location to entire squads, not just one guy.
You can't rely on people being idiots. Not every match is your average derp filled pub match.
An easily counter-able scout becomes useless in a competitive setting.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:24:00 -
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Driftward wrote:I'll just link this back up since I love this spreadsheet so much. I wish I could remember who the original author was. Scanning and scouts 1.8Scouts need only apply 2 complex damps to beat focused scanners now. Except for one case. Gal logi focused duvolled. Even then, you need only worry about getting scanned and visible for 7.5 seconds every 40 seconds. Huge windows of opportunity. Over 30 seconds to find the gal logi and kill em good. Also, only 100 m range with a 60 degree angle. Yes Caldari scouts make sacrifices to accomplish this. As we should. But we can. Take home point Scouts, a force not easily countered
Your willingness to give up your only 2 low slots doesn't account for every scout in the game. Allow me to give you a slap in the face to snap you out of whatever state you are in. Requiring a scout to use 2 dampeners full time is a BAD decision.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:03:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
Requiring a scout to use 2 dampeners full time is a BAD decision.
1) The cloak dampens you as well, which will allow one to forgo a damp on a low if you can manage your cool downs effectively, which I image will be a skill that will need mastering 2) Scale up in dampening as necessary, you only need to run it high for those particular situations (or drop it entirely for a pure slayer fit if your not a gal scout and can't dodge it at all)
Yes which is what the system is going to be now that I like. A good scout who can manage his cloak stamina will only have to run a dampener when they pull out a focused.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:06:00 -
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Driftward wrote:I'm sorry if this upsets you personally Moody. But If you go with a Caldari scout....don't expect to get free stealth. Sounds like you want every scout to be gallente....and that's not what we're talking about. I also don't want to gimp the caldari suit's role. (Yes Ruthless Lee I have an alterior motive ) What's the point in having a scout with super precision if you can't ever scan another scout? Dampening on medium frames has always only been a novelty at best, so limited utility there if any. The best use of the caldari scout is as an anti-scout suit with a large passive scan area acting as support for a squad or perhaps running interference for a squad. In my opinion, caldari scout is not going to be the stealthy behind the lines ninja. As Cyrius Li-Moody has so eloquently pointed out multiple times, Caldari scouts have only two low slots. With an inherent bonus to scan range, it makes sense for them to capitalize on that with a range mod and maybe a complex damp. But they will never achieve a stealth role as well as gallente scouts will. Sounds like we have a division of combat roles. Working as intended as far as I'm concerned.
A scanned scout is a dead scout. More importantly a worthless scout.
What you'll do is make 90% of scouts go to gallente who want to play competitively. EVERY SUIT should be able to be played competitively.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.01.28 20:54:00 -
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I have done it.
Core Upgrades 5
Engineering 5
Electronics 5
I AM FREE OF THESE BORING SKILLS!
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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3230
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:38:00 -
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Yeah hacking is next. Gotta take that from 3 to 5. Ughhhhhhh.
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Posted - 2014.01.30 20:26:00 -
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You can call me Al.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:31:00 -
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Who cares if there's an influx of scouts? Inexperienced scouts are easy to hunt. They move like assaults on routes assaults would take. Long time scouts are much craftier about movement/positioning/routes.
Counter scouting will be fun. Very fun.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:42:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:How are Scouts doing these days? Quit playing back in 1.5 interested in seeing if there are any changes worth coming back for.
Currently? Not much.
Next patch? Definitely looking like it's worth dusting off the knives/shotgun for if you've been on break.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:43:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Who cares if there's an influx of scouts? Inexperienced scouts are easy to hunt. They move like assaults on routes assaults would take. Long time scouts are much craftier about movement/positioning/routes.
Counter scouting will be fun. Very fun. Need to squad more with new age guys. Its too much fun XD
We all need more noob in our life.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:51:00 -
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DOOOO EEET. KILL MEEEE!
KILL ME NOW!
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:05:00 -
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Noob is right.
The derailment must be..... terminated.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:15:00 -
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I need to melee more.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:10:00 -
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WOMBO COMBO
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:59:00 -
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Just off the top of my head (with links) some great music:
for those in the mood for a good groovy indie.
Minus the Bear
Facing New York
Maps & Atlases
For those in the mood for something heavier...
Every time I die
Baroness
Also if you haven't listened to Sigur Ros (Icelandic natives) you're missing out on some beautiful stuff.
edit: Anamanaguchi is also one of my favs.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:14:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:And for thouse who harley pig iron uncomfortable horrors are bikes this is a blackbird mine has carbon racing brakes xenon lights and a strigght modded exhaust. 217 miles an hour is the highest I've gone on this monster. side note is you don't corner. You point it in the direction of the corner and close your eye's.
OH HO HO
I own a 2006 Suzuki C50 (cruiser) and an 82 Yamaha XJ550 (currently torn down and slowly being rebuilt into a cafe). VROOM VROOM.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:08:00 -
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I guess I'll join in. Shiela and the Seca. I actually haven't ridden the seca yet. It ran. So I paid $300 for it for a project bike. I'm sure I'll complete it one day. XD
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:27:00 -
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I don't follow this thread anymore because well, it's too muddled and I don't have enough time to check it all the time. Let it be known I approve of very little of the changes to scouts so far.
I should have specced into the gal scout. That scout just keeps getting more and more indirectly buffed.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:37:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:To be honest I rarely run my scout anymore. Too many on the field. It's not as exciting as fun as it once was. I have more fun in my commando. And this is why I got the most Knife kills in a match
If they do a side arm event I definitely won't be going for them. Too much work. Dusted off my knives in a match about an hour ago. 36/0 in a dom but reds in pubs are practically bots so it's hard to consider that a feat.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:49:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let it be known I approve of very little of the changes to scouts so far.
So you know, we're trying. Your input would help. What are thoughts on raising precision baseline via AM / CA bonus swap? What would you do differently to address the CA Scout's overly powerful scans? How would you make MN and AM competitive?
The thing with E-war is at this point it is all messed up. The gal outmatches the cal quite easily and in those circumstances I lose my e-war and go EHP tanking. If I can't pick them up I'm going full slayer scout. At this point all people are doing are picking up other cal and min scouts. Oh and that poor bastard in his Amarr.
Honestly I'd buff the hell out of the minmatar's regen. I can live with being blind but the regen on the suit is just terrible. With the cal scout with one regulator if I escape with 1 hp in shields by the time my feet hit the ground after a bunny hop my shields are recharging. I'm back to full health in about 5 seconds. The min scout suffers from low health and terrible regen. If the cal scout is supposed to be a low ehp scanner, the min scout should be a regenerative brawler. As of right now the Cal has regen, tank, and ewar. That's why it's a near perfect suit it's got the trifecta. I'd give the Minmatar the Caldari's deplete/recharge and recharge rate.
Though the problem of low EHP and terrible regen is honestly a problem on all the Min suits.
As for the Amarr, mehhhh. Can't say much there. The mimicing of the 2/4 gallente layout is silly. Personally I'd change the layout for starters to make it more unique if it wasn't getting the scan bonus. 1/5. There's a place for the brick tanked scout.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 17:48:00 -
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For funsies.
Scout Ak.0
Complex Precision x2
Complex Plate x2
Complex Reactive
Complex Range Amp
Sixkin ACR
Sixkin SMG
Flux 'nade
Viziam Flux Uplink
Wiyrkomi Triage Hive
650 eHP
2 hp/s
43m scan radius
17.8 Scan precision (if 5% per level)
6.9 Sprint
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:52:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
The thing with E-war is at this point it is all messed up. The gal outmatches the cal quite easily and in those circumstances I lose my e-war and go EHP tanking. If I can't pick them up I'm going full slayer scout. At this point all people are doing are picking up other cal and min scouts. Oh and that poor bastard in his Amarr.
Honestly I'd buff the hell out of the minmatar's regen. I can live with being blind but the regen on the suit is just terrible. With the cal scout with one regulator if I escape with 1 hp in shields by the time my feet hit the ground after a bunny hop my shields are recharging. I'm back to full health in about 5 seconds. The min scout suffers from low health and terrible regen. If the cal scout is supposed to be a low ehp scanner, the min scout should be a regenerative brawler. As of right now the Cal has regen, tank, and ewar. That's why it's a near perfect suit it's got the trifecta. I'd give the Minmatar the Caldari's deplete/recharge and recharge rate.
Though the problem of low EHP and terrible regen is honestly a problem on all the Min suits.
As for the Amarr, mehhhh. Can't say much there. The mimicing of the 2/4 gallente layout is silly. Personally I'd change the layout for starters to make it more unique if it wasn't getting the scan bonus. 1/5. There's a place for the brick tanked scout.
So you are saying Gal scouts are too strong and render your Cal scout scans useless? So you loose EWAR and stack hp, but the Cal scout is the perfect suit? If you stack hp won't a min scout be useful, being able to remain hidden and use it's hacking bonus to hack points? Don't you think Min scout's speed and stamina makes up for the worse hp and regen compared to Cal scouts?
No, the Cal isn't a perfect suit. Pretty sure I laid out what's wrong with it stat wise. It's got too much EHP/Regen potential on top of it's e-war potential. That's why it's the go to slayer suit. You're either a mostly seeing eye, or a god of regen.
Also, there's about zero Minmatar scouts on the field in PC. When they are on the field they're just there to a hack a point and die right afterwards because they cannot survive in between. Their HP is too low, their regen is too low. If a min wants to be a ghost it will literally have half the HP of a Gal. If it says screw it and tries to go straight up combat fit it will probably lose to a Caldari because the caldari will tank more and regen faster.
Yes theoretically I could stay in my ewar fit all game but when all the scouts on the field are double damped galente, or other caldari, I'm going to be focusing on the caldari and trying to get the gallente when they're out of position. The speed and stamina of a Minmatar is useless in most competitive situations outside of the initial sprint to cap the first points. If a team is especially derpy you can get away with running a Minmatar but chances are you're going to get crapped on by Cals and Gals the entire time if playing a team who knows what they're doing.
I take most of my perspective from PC where people know the mechanics and will counter something if there is a counter. In pubs my Minmatar can go 40/0 without breaking a sweat. You cannot do that in PC.
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Posted - 2014.07.12 22:57:00 -
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Just throwing this out there but an Amarr scout with the numbers as is can tank 600+ EHP scan at 17.8db at 43.5m equip a proto rep hive, and a proto uplink on top of a proto CR and a proto SMG.
With that fit you force a Minmatar to use all of his lows for damps plus a cloak giving him literally half the HP of that Amarr scout.
Doesn't anyone have any issues with this?
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Posted - 2014.07.13 04:46:00 -
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I said it before and I'll say it again, 2 damps plus a cloak should be all that's needed to dodge the best scanner and best precision out there.
Honestly if it were up to me I'd throw away the gallente's damp bonus and the caldari's precision bonus. No scout suit should have them. Here we are balancing E-War for a 3rd time and the gallente is going to end up OP in some way or whatever scan scout is going to end up OP.
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Posted - 2014.07.13 04:57:00 -
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Give assaults the precision bonus. 4% per level. Bang bang.
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Posted - 2014.07.13 15:17:00 -
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Numbers are much much better.
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Posted - 2014.07.13 15:38:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
Soooooo, in your earnest opinion, based on the document, post Charlie situation in a nutshell?
You'll see an increase in Amarr scouts and Min scouts in PC as both will be more viable. The cal and gal will still be the go to slayer scouts for their respective main tanks. Inter-scout balance will be much better.
If you want to see less scouts on the field post charlie you really gotta give assaults a reason to use them over scouts. If I'll be quite honest it's the regen of assaults that make them much more inferior to scouts not just their stealthiness.
Currently people don't even bother with dampening and can be seen but don't care because they can duck behind cover and within 5 seconds be at nearly full health. All you have to do is play ring around the box for 5 seconds and a cal will be at full health. A gallente can easily fit a rep hive to toss down and regen his health practically instantly without giving up much on top of it's more slender hitbox. Sure they don't have the HP ceiling that an assault has but if you can only survive a fight with one guy and die right after because it takes you 30-60 seconds to regen completely people aren't going to use them.
So, it's not just the tank that needs to be addressed on assaults it's things like shield delay, deplete delay, and repair rates for armor.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:26:00 -
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I never thought I'd see the day... Today I've extracted tears with my Min scout from a PC match
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168186&find=unread
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:These tears are unbelievable.
"He... HE WAS USING THE ENVIRONMENT TO HIS ADVANTAGE! I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU COULD HIDE THERE! THEY WEREN'T RUNNING PROPER HUNTER FITS! QQ"
Beautiful stuff really. I mean dude cries about cloaks quite often and whenever he can to be honest. Dude wasn't even in that match! Apparently I should be coming in, announcing my presence and 1v1ing them up to the objective.
This community is terrible. I mean, I like you guys, but jesus christ are people stupid.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:52:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Broker
I thought Logibro was joking. Surely you guys aren't serious :-)
@ Moody
I actually like Ydubbs; he's a stand-up guy. But he can be so wrong at times. Back when everyone ran an AR (because everything else s*cked in comparison) you could count on Ydubbs, Cat Merc and Aeon Amadi to swear up-and-down that all things AR-514 were fine. Two of them actually believed it; the third could not be trusted, as he was and remains a cat. :-)
Oh I don't really have a problem with him personally. He just complains about scouts nonstop when especially at this point stealth is a very easy thing to counter outside of a gal should you have the inclination.
His denial that I've knifed him on several occasions is pretty funny. I mean, I don't expect every person to remember me personally knifing them but come on. Hubris at it's best.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:09:00 -
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lol i can say for a fact that I've never knifed appia.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:17:00 -
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lol forgot about that one.
Fatsuit and a plasma cannon if I remember correctly.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:23:00 -
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I once followed musturd w a reptool while he was knifing people in a sentinel suit. one of the most hilarious couple of matches i've ever experienced.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:That moment when a heavy survives a charged ishukone double strike, another double strike, and another double strike. Then kills you. How is that even a thing.
Killing heavies is even hard in a Min scout. They have to have their back to you practically the entire time or be injured to take them down in one go. They just have too much health and the second slash misses often. It'll seem like both hit but actually only one will even though you're facing them. Happens A LOT. Very frustrating but unfortunately something that happens with knives. Hit detection is better than it used to be but it's still sketchy at times.
Gal and Amarr heavies are a nightmare.
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