Proto mass driver+proto remote explosives+domination= evil little scout

as i said in another thread i don't get hate mail , i get hate essays

i'm less conserned bout the damage and more conserned bout the damage not being applied :P

My advanced pub suits are cheap (20-30k). I don't post huge results with them, but can generally turn a profit and decent KDR. Here's a loadout example for those interested:

Advanced Gallente Scout (~25k)

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HS: Cmp Shield Ext
HS: Cmp Shield Ext
PW: Dren Shotty (BPO)
SW: Toxin SMG (BPO)
GR: Locus Nade
EQ: Compact Nanohive
LS: Enh CardReg
LS: Cmp KinCat

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- Shotty GoBang

General Strategy:
You're gonna die, but you can afford it! The goal is to take out 2-4 red dots between deaths. Averaging a 3.0 and 100,000 profit per match ain't too shabby an objective. I posted a few 20/0 games this past week running this loadout but perfect matches are are unlikely; best to set a realistic goal. The following tactics apply to Ambush, where you'll usually find me 'cause I'm always SP capped.

Start-of-Match Tactics:
At the start of an ambush match, run headlong for the nearest pile of red-dots, toss a couple well-timed locus nades, and charge in with SG/SMG fire to cleanup. You'll almost always get your 3 kills before being gun downed. Seems to me, no one is ever looking in my direction at the start of the match.

If a start-of-match red-blob happens to be rushing toward you, consider its strength. If over 3, retreat. If at or under 3, find cover -- preferably a rock or something you can quickly circle around -- and let them think you're bad at hiding. More often that not, the red-dots will have a hard-on for first blood and will rush you in a straight line. Cook your nade (you'll only get one toss) then serve while the hostiles are clustered. Now you have three weakened red-dots in near optimal range of your shotgun and SMG. Play smart and cleanup.

Mid-Match Tactics:
If you survived your start-of-match encounter, get to cover and drop your Compact Nanohive. It will generally have just enough nanites to replenish your armor and your 3 nades.

Now its time to hunt. The idea is to never be where your enemy is looking. Red dots and blue dots tend to pile up and shoot each other. It takes a few extra seconds, but you want to swing wide (remaining undetected) and come up behind that red pile of cowardice. Red piles rarely cover their flanks and all tend to look the same direction. Study their orientation and sneak in. Cook and toss your first and second nade. SMG the weakest links in the wounded pile. When they spot you, retreat to cover. A couple opponents will break away from the pile to chase you. Cook your third nade. Serve in lap of your closest pursuer as he rounds the corner you're hiding behind. Cleanup with shotgun.

OMS Tip:
If you happen to be in an OMS match, always head back to the nearest supply depo and swap suit types when you're low on health and short a nanohive. This will replenish everything.

Frontal Attack Tactics:
These aren't ideal, but can work in your favor provided you use terrain and cover to your advantage. If you've been detected, you will nearly always die should you rush any full-health AR medium or heavy. If you're feeling brave, lure the hostile into optimal range. Always open up your attack with an unexpected cooked nade. Once they're weak, close the gap and rip him apart.

With a little SP investment, the SMG can deal massive DPS if you aim for the head. Shotguns are horribly inconsistent at the moment, but still come in handy against unaware and wounded opponents. The beauty of the Advanced Gallente Scout is its shield potential w/complex extenders. You can tank a second or two more damage in CQC, affording you the time to deal your death blow.

Flank Attack Tactics:
I tend to open up all engagements with a locus nade. Balances the playing field in my mind. In the off chance I'm alive without nades, I hunt for red-dots away from the pack. The shotgun (as earlier mentioned) is inconsistent. You'll land your first shot because your target is either standing still or moving in a predictable pattern. The second shot and third shots are harder to land, even on a heavy. So I treat the shotgun like a flux nade. Drop opponent shields with first blast, then cleanup with SMG headshots vs strong opponents or hipfire strafing vs weak opponents.

Bad-Map Tactics:
The bad CQC Scout maps also happen to be the best vehicle maps (i.e. Manus Peak). I recommend running a swarm or sniper fit and sticking to the hills in maps which require you to cover alot of open ground to reach the red pile.

Hope this helps. o7

- Shotty

Caveat: The loadout at hand is good for general use, but you'll have a hard time meeting your 3.0 goal against full squads from vet corps. I'll post my suicide bomber loadout in a later thread.

I wanted to ask people's opinions on proto gal scouts - are they worth it over the adv, considering you give up a hi slot?

yea. he isn't describing a scout suit! lol. I'd give my minjas pinky toes for some CPU/PG like that!

Gave the shotgun its first proper testing today, not my style but damn is it fun, and I salute those that can use it effectively o7 (Ps: If you're looking for a cheap fun thing to do, put it on a heavy, went 14/1 with it)

I am somewhat successful with the following setup for ADV Gal:

Militia shotty
Advanced Assault SMG
Militia locus nades

Std RE's

Two advanced kin cats for lows
Two advanced shield recharges in the high's (the ones where you get an overall shield "penalty", the penalty is a % which means it only drops your shields by 1 or 2 points total and increases your recharge rate a ton).

Srry haven't been on in a week or so to give exact names and whatnot, but you get the drift.

I did notice that the advantage from higher tier shotty's is minimal compared to the additional CPU/PG costs. Better to go higher tier with your secondary currently, and conserve CPU/PG by keeping militia shotty.

The extra RoF (and I think maybe extra range?) is nice, but I think in general its not worth the extra pg/cpu, and extra isk, if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Knowing I can do plenty of damage with whatever SG/SMG combo I go with, I always fit weapons last, and the SMG last of all. Optimize your modules and equipment first, then use whatever remaining CPU and PG you have left for the best weapons that'll fit.

Had to post this up here http://youtu.be/5h4AGpO8q-w
Without the scout this wouldn't have happened. remotes montage.
Just up to adv gal, but I enjoy it so much more than my proto cal logi alt.

On another note, it makes me chuckle a little that I've completely ignored all the things that seem to be pretty problematic for most scouts. But I also prefer other stuff to what seems to be standard scout gear too...

Things I don't use:
Shotgun
Nova Knife
Remote Explosives
Kinetic Catalysers
Cardiac Regulators
Profile Dampeners
Range Enhancers

I may be one of the most unusual scouts (or even players) around...

I'm using my SMG more and more lately too - just got prof lvl 4 and my m209 rules. Shields down with a shot from the pistol, finish the job with a blast from my SMG, which is really the only way to get around the bad hit detection when they start jumping around after the pistol shot.

I go adv gal suits with a complex armor repairer and 2 complex sidearm damage mods.

That said I also find myself using my AV fit more and more lately too. Same set up but with adv swarms instead of the SMG and light damage mods. I scout out the enemy redlines and hills for all the normal sniper spots and tank camping positions and if I get rid of them all (or find nothing!) I just rinse all the gazillion LAVs I see buzzing around the map below me.

I used to always run with 2 hacking mods for the cheeky back door hacks but I'm finding that less useful/rewarding lately and definitely less fun.

Speaking of SMGs, which weapons do really well against us scouts?

I know from experience that SMGs are quite capable of tearing me apart while I'm in my scout suit!

also can't decide if I like shotty or mass driver more I love killing with them both and every time I get a kill I bust a crutial nut lol

RE kills will always yeald the biggest nut though XD

Shotty GoBang makes a cameo in my latest log.

Also there's some sweet scout action in this video. Shotgun duels and a sweet knife fight.

Anyone ever explain why advanced gal scout has a 2/2 slot layout and not a 1/3?? God I would love to have 1/3

It's mystery but CCP confirmed that it is by design: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1275221#post1275221

I've still not skilled up to proto, though I do hope to get lvl 4 (for the bonuses) in the next week. Thing is, when I do eventually reach proto, I can't see any way I'll be able to afford it with how easily we die at any range anyway. I only just manage to run a profit most matches in an adv suit as it is.

What I'd really like is for the gal adv scout to get its slots sorted properly to be 1 hi 3 lo and enough CPU to not have to take up a slot with a CPU mod - actually I'd be happy enough with 2 hi 2 lo if I didn't have to use a lo for a CPU mod.

My current pub fit:

Scout G/1 -Series

CRG-3 Shotgun
'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun
M1 Locus Grenade
A-19 Stable Active Scanner
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Extender
Basic Reactive Plates
Basic Reactive Plates

233 Shields
217 Armor
2 Armor reps a second
Movement of 5.45 m/s
Sprint of 8.01 m/s

Thoughts?

Wow!
Jolly's latest montage is a must-see, though be warned:
He makes us all look like noobs ...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1290255#post1290255

It's not wrong. If we all remember, Reflex.....
Anyways I love the Scrambler Rifle. At first I was a fan of the TAR, but when I discovered the charge shot no-kick scrambler rifle, I fell in love. But I have died to my own ignorance of feedback damage.

Has anybody tired a lazor rifle on a scout suit? Just wondering if it would be any good...for sneak melting.

fyi:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1314744#post1314744

Scenario:
Plunk red-dot with a shotgun.
Red-dot proceeds to jump and strafe about.
Shotgun's now useless.

Question:
Is it acceptable -- in this case -- to use the despised Flaylock?

I think as scouts we need every advantage we can get, so I'd say absolutely: nail him with the Flaylock!

Hell, I use every trick I can to get kills, which for me mostly entails sneaking up and murdering unsuspecting medium frames when they are foolishly trying to cap our objectives. SMG to the back of the dome with no chance to fight back... probably no more or less fair than a flaylock at close range.

Screw em all. If they wanted a fair fight, they'd be wearing scout suits and using something other than ARs.....

no, it was shotty or doubletap. the squad was me, doubletap. shotty, Zan, "Randell," and... someone else I think.

I did, of course, steal your low-slot configuration.

And to add:


I've been playing around with the Breach SMG, but I nearly always use the Flaylock Pistol. It was nerfed- rather, it was balanced- to a good point where it isn't useless, but most people that can't aim can't kill with it. and that first shot regularly takes out their shields so the extra armor damage is always preferable.
also a good counter to those "dancers" because they rarely leave it's blast radius.

Got AR proficiency 3. Worth the Splurge in SP.
Breach AR is now OP.

EDIT: Also, does anyone else (like me) think that they'd rather have the G/1 Series with 3 lows and one high? Sure the current 2 highs 2 lows is neat-o for tanking but if I just want to put a damage mod on and run armor plates.

When I got my proficiency to level 3, I decided to give it another go. With the 9% increase in damage it is actually tolerable now. I use it now to keep people at Medium range bay. It is terrible in CQC, but with just enough range, and that +9% damage, you can screw up shield tankers. Heavies are kind of a long arduous chore though, but I prefer to fight heavies with the Breach anyways. When I get online I'll post my GK-13 fitting.

Got AR proficiency 3. Worth the Splurge in SP.
Breach AR is now OP.

EDIT: Also, does anyone else (like me) think that they'd rather have the G/1 Series with 3 lows and one high? Sure the current 2 highs 2 lows is neat-o for tanking but if I just want to put a damage mod on and run armor plates.

Wow, a lot of crappy people in factional.

I can run a scout sniper, make suicide runs for objectives, hack and die or kill off an unlucky guy who gets to see "killed by toxin", drop a few uplinks, and score near the top of the list.

Sadly, the rest of the blues are huddled around giving each other back rubs or something and don't bother coming out of hiding until they see some crazy fool running around actually doing something.

So... Minmatar could use some help...

Nice!

I played 10 games with pistols only (2 standard scramblers).... mostly I had uplinks, complex shield, kin/cat and repper on the Standard G-1 dragonfly.... Best game was 3/2..... The others were all negative, with the worst being 0/5....

Man, long road ahead....

Wooo! i finally mustered enough patience to get scout *4*, damp 3! Which means I can finally go with just ONE damper, for my stealth fits, and put some armor in the 2nd one!!!

... OOoooooo... I just reduced myself down from 10 different fits, to maybe about 4.
no more choosing between uplinks, OR stealth, OR enough armor to survive a sniper!
HappyHappyHappyHappy

That actually sounds good. It made me crave a cold Coke.

I realized that I'm glad the scout role exists at all. Imagine if the game didn't have this class.
I salute you for gaining kills in a scout suit. If the game gets frustrating, take a break or get a mlt med frame and enjoy easy mode. Enjoy the AR, the grenades. Farm SP in a fun way.
When the game starts to get serious and allows scouts to flourish, then go on and be" top dog".

I was having terrible games, I then used REs and it brought smiles and awe. I seriously enjoyed watching flying heavies, flying corpses that crash against walls, and overall ragdoll funny stuff.

Hm.... I also took a break from my scout for two games yesterday and ran my Gallente basic suit on an alternate character, using the basic AR of course, with proficiency L2. I thought "whoa, this will be so EZ", after practicing with nothing but pistols for a few weeks I thought for sure my aim would surely be awesome.

Dude, I was so wrong. My aim seemed worse since I was farther away, it took longer to kill people and moving slow and with much less situational awareness I failed to get better KDR scores than when I ran scout.

I really must be a challenged player if I can't even make the medium frame / AR work!

On the flip side, I better really rethink moving away from scout if they do offer a respec....

Maybe I need to squad up.... or just get good! Man, glad I didn't waste any SP on this character on medium frames... and only enough for operation 2 w/ the AR.....

How embarrassing.

Hey! My side of the story is totally different ...

Spawned start-of-match as the ambush sacrifice ... no friendlies, surrounded by reds. It was the new outdoor map; the one without much cover and lots of ARs. I was absolutely screwed, but fortunate to be near a socket with upper/lower platform.

Got a kill or two then ran upstairs. A good minute of "chase that Scout" passed until you guys finally cornered me with your blasted ARs. Best part was that Medic of yours running around with a low-grade pick-up stick ... resurrecting guys left and right ... perpetuating glorious Scout carnage. I didn't exactly set out to camp your spawn, but I definitely farmed that Medic for a few kills :-)

Highly annoyed. Squadded up via Scouts United twice this afternoon.

First Squad - Five guys; not a single Scout.
Second Squad - Four guys; not a single Scout.

Dialogue with Second Squad:
Q. "Is this a Scout Squad?"
A. "Nah, man."
Q. "How'd you find me?"
A. "You LFS'd in one of the channels."

Since when is our sacred haven "one of the channels"!?
This is unacceptable.

If I wanted to squad with randoms, I'd LFS in Local or use the godd*mn Squad Finder.
How do we fix this?

Is how the channel is designed. Once it hits over 50 people it goes into a "delayed" mode were u only show up in channel when u type something out.

I'll give it a go after work. How are the other changes looking? Heard it's easier to hit with an ar or scram now...if that's even possible

Oh oh, I haven't been able to play yet but I'm seeing threads full of AR users having an orgasm over the improved hit detection. That doesn't sound very good at all.

Just picked up my exile: holy ****

So, 12 days and I should have my ps4. My ps3 will be moved to my bigscreen tv in my living room, ps4 will at the desk I play at. Sooooooo... I'm probably going to give away the isk I have on my scout account...to other scouts.

I'll keep like 20mill on the account just incase I ever jump back on it. So if your a scout on the registry and notice you suddenly have a lil extra isk. Highfive to u XD. Going to break it down into 10 million blocks and give it out that way so can spread it around a lil.
Killzone SF here I come. been hella fun everyone.

Latest Dev Post: Interview with Wolfman ...

Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle confirmed for 1.7.
Looks like the new Scout suits didn't make the cut:

Q: Just to round this off, what can you reveal right now as to what players can expect in the next couple of months?

A: I think people know that we have had a number of content-related things that have been on the boil for a while, so with Uprising 1.7 weGÇÖve got the first wave of that with the rail rifle and the combat rifle. WeGÇÖll be continuing to work on the likes of the light and heavy dropsuit trees and the weapons that relate to those, so there will be more of that coming in the future.

Scoutly Opinion time!

How do you guys feel about Mid slots?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1495956#post1495956

Probably a 'bit further. Sharpshooter adds quite a 'bit of reach to the SMG. In my opinion, all high RoF weapons (excluding the HMG) should have Aim Assist dialed back a 'bit. Gun Game doesn't matter otherwise.

On a side note, I'm running a pistol today. Only at Operation II, so I haven't unlocked the goodies yet, but ...
HOLY COW THIS THING IS AWESOME!

I will find you
Actually ran into a stealth logi last nightGǪ would not show on my Tac, i experimented with him to see just how stealthy he was. timing fade from sight and suchGǪ he never knew I was there though.
Then i knifed him

Another Q to my Minmatar brethren.... with about 130k in SP to burn on my alt, what do you recommend to be effective weapon-wise with this minimal SP?

I have sidearm L1, and will probably stick with sidearms. I'm tired of playing with the AR on a scout so I want to do something with this SP near-term.

Is SMG/NK or Flaylock/NK a better combo? Or something else.... like SMG/Flaylock, dual flaylocks, dual SMGs?

I've only got Minnie scout L2, Electronic/Engineering L2 so I can't fit a whole lot..... L1 biotics as well. I pissed away all my 9M SP on logi skills.... *facepalm*.

No scrambler pistols on this alt, I got that covered with this character.

I don't run REs I was getting triple kill feeds with my knife last night though

Had a blast last night with all you scouts, both with and against. I used footage from the matches last night in this: http://youtu.be/LGF5vYKLP4A

Warning: lots of scout on scout violence as I ramble on about defending objectives. Not for the weak of heart.

edit: After rewatching, why the kitten is that Amarr Assault as fast as I am? I only catch up because he turned around :(

Scouts start using pistols.

Scouts get REALLY good with pistols.

Community: Pistol's are OP!

Congrats guys, this is why we can't have nice things.

Just wait till the make the suits decent. I can't wait for the tears. I suspect a hotfix in 1 week. Tops.

@ Koan Zalinto
FTFY....

Honestly I'm hoping they keep the light weapon, I don't need nerf scrambler pistol threads all over the forums because a logi is stacking damage mods and slaughtering people with my beloved pistol. Let em keep light weapons keep my skill shot weapon on the DL

WTH are you guys talking about ... this "Shotty benefit" nonsense!?
We're killers, god-d*mnit. Like to p*ss me off, all this gushiness :-)

I've taken the past few days off to kick a pack-a-day nicotine habit.
Quit cold-turkey. 7 days in. No issues resisting the "urge" ... until I try to play Dust.

Tried twice. Wasn't pretty. Ask Musturd.
Every little instance of "BS" -- things we expect as Scouts -- Nicotine Fiend Rage
Give me a week or two. I'm unpleasant at the moment.

Hoping for good things come 1.7.
Doubtful we'll get anything, but I'm hopeful for less bull-sh*t and more gun-game.
All this "quiet" from the Devs ... think maybe they're nerfing Rifles?
Maybe!?

Super close skirmish game from week or so ago, scouts top the board XD
Scouts save the Day

Brothers,

The Scout Registry / Killboard will be officially closed on December 9th.

The Killboard will receive its final update on close date.
Future Killboard updates will no longer be applied.
Pending and Future Applicants will not be added.

It was an honor to serve you, and I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors.

Sincerely,
Shotty GoBang

That means alot, sir. Thank you.

The Scout Community created something unique in this thread.
I do hope CCP comes around, but I don't think our "organizing" has affected their timeline.
If/when they do, there'll be little need for this "support group" we've created.

Given a fair shake, you guys are gonna tear sh*t up.

I say leave it open to bumping for posterity.

It could have a final grave marker...


"Scouts once played here"


Future Logi n00bs will crowd around.. "Mommy, what's a scout?"

Um well scouts united will still exist. (it still exists right?)

Why do y'all see this as the death of scouts? I happen to know of a cult that has survived through thick and thin and begun a slow conquest *Scrambler pistols a cough cough* and the scouts will end up no different. It's just that we won't have a flashing neon light on the forums.

Let us become underrated and then play the fiddle off of people's misjudgements, like the pistol. Let's become a darker shade of neutral rather than some extremely loud shade of neutral. *Oxymoron* .

The game is all in how you play it and I think, that although Shotty is like our Nelson Mandela, that being swept under the rug (not CCP-wise though) isn't a bad thing because you find all kinds of spare change and lost bobby pins under the rug.

Under the rug is where it's at

EDIT: In terms of that protest, I'm way ahead of yall. Been doing it since october....

Its double the base damage.

So Ishukones would deal 400 damage at full charge.

I dont know the ADV damage off the top of my head though.

Installation Omniscience is gone!?
If so, this is great news :-)
Has anyone observed indication otherwise?

Flux / Flaylock vs tank!?
The tank you popped was been beat down to nothing, right?
I must see this for myself ... will test :-)

On Explosives:

1) Versus infantry, is the blast radius of wall-stickied RE's comparable to that of a ground-based RE?
^ We've had reports that "reach" of RE blast degrades when affixed to wall.

2) Versus tanks, are Proximity Mines profoundly ineffective vs armor still ... has anyone tested?
^ They're likely moving too fast to stop on prox-alert. How many are needed to pop tank on cooldown?

3) Has anyone run the numbers on Effective HP of a Tank while it's hardeners are up?
^ Wondering if my 6-RE Jihadi-Jeep will suffice if the "brave" tanker happens to have his hardeners up.

So, I need to find my Fellow Minmatar FW fighters.

Like this post if you want to make an FW Squad.

Gentlemen, I've recently been trying to kit out my Gallente scout for scanning. However, try as I might, nothing seems to pop up on passive scan!

I'm currently running the Federation Scout GK.0 (which is identical to the normal one) like this:

Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
M209 Assault SMG

Complex Precision Enhancer

Complex Profile Dampener
Complex Range Amplifier
Complex Armour Plates
Complex Armour Repairer

Nanohive


Unfortunately, I've yet to see pretty much anyone pop up on scan - the only time I've noticed it has been at point blank range with no obstructions.

Does it have any effect through walls whatsoever?
Is it worth using?
Am I doing something wrong?

Also, would someone mind offering me tips on my fit? The idea is that I flank all the time and CQC murderboat things with the SMG or alternatively pick people off with the TAR - but I really want to try and get passive scanning working to help me with the sneaking.

Good stuff, Oswald. You noticed some things I missed, and I'm glad you brought this back up. This all sounds exciting, but there's potential here for zero sum game ... think about it ...

Three Questions for Scouts

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Given: Assume cloak is released as a piece of equipment tailored to the Scout.

Question 1) As a Scout, what combat / support functions do you currently perform most often?
Question 2) In performing those functions, which equipment type currently serves you best?
Question 3) If said equipment were replaced by cloak, could you perform that function?

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The MedFrames cried "unfair" when we asked that cloak be "built-in" to our suits; so we've asked for a second equipment slot. Let's cross our fingers and hope that someone was listening. Otherwise, we will only trade one form of ineffective for another.


TL;DR - Scouts will need two equipment slots if Cloak is released as Equipment.

Good stuff, Oswald. You noticed some things I missed, and I'm glad you brought this back up. This all sounds exciting, but there's potential here for zero sum game ... think about it ...

Three Questions for Scouts

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Given: Assume cloak is released as a piece of equipment tailored to the Scout.

Question 1) As a Scout, what combat / support functions do you currently perform most often?
Question 2) In performing those functions, which equipment type currently serves you best?
Question 3) If said equipment were replaced by cloak, could you perform that function?

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The MedFrames cried "unfair" when we asked that cloak be "built-in" to our suits; so we've asked for a second equipment slot. Let's cross our fingers and hope that someone was listening. Otherwise, we will only trade one form of ineffective for another.


TL;DR - Scouts will need two equipment slots if Cloak is released as Equipment.

Lol. Someone is complaining that scanners can't detect scouts.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128445&find=unread

However, it does look like the margin of error messages have been disabled. \o/

Very nice... I managed to snake a lucky tank RE kill at the end of an FW match a few days a go. That +50 kill and +150 for the tank felt so awesome! Took 2 RE's after some A/V nades but man, what a sweet feeling it was! In retrospect I guess it's good I didn't have 3 RE's because maybe I would have been booted....?

I'll also add my comments to the ranks of those having success w/ the CR on the Minja scout. No longer is it SMG + knives over there.... all CR/SMG.

Despite the new weapons though.... I'm still all pistols on this guy.... I actually like the salvage only IA5 tactical a lot... the ROF is as awesome as the TT-3; the damage is less than ADV pistols but the zoom is more.

Some maps running the CR/KN, other KN/Flaylock, depends on terrain, and opponents.

I LOVE the flaylock, but I can never justify using it.

SMG does the same damage in CQC, has more range, and is a more flexible weapon overall.

I really wanna use my flaylocks.....

How about this: (MASSIVE CHANGE)

Make it have a 6 round clip, like the ScP.

Bonus to Ops skill is 3% blast radius increase.

Give it around 75 Splash, with a 1.5m Radius at basic.

ROF is faster (but not ungodly)


You now have a sidearm that is made to quickly kill 1-2 targets in CQC in Minmatar fashion (Rapid fire and explosions).

For clarity:

Basic FP: 150 direct, 75 splash, 1.5m (1.72 with skill 5)
ADV FP: 165 direct, 85 splash, 1.75m (1.9 with skill 3)
PRO FP: 180 Direct, 100 Splash, 2.0m (2.3 with skill 5)

This will make it a powerful weapon if you can directly hit targets (difficult to do) but still able to take down a target by hitting the ground if you have to (PRO has 600 splash in clip at proto)

Feel free to change these or debate these. Let's try and fix the Flaylock guys!

EDIT: I love this idea myself, but I also just realized that you get an 8 round clip with the Minmatar Assault.

But would this make it competitive? I want it to be like the ScP, which can easily take on targets in CQC, but it's main drawback is the inability to take on multiple targets (3-4) and it's lack of overall ammunition.

Think about it, with these changes, it would become a mini mass driver that you carry in your pocket.

Mind you, it still would be nothing like the Mass driver, due to it's reduced Splash and Damage. You won't see people fluxing and taking down groups of targets (maybe if they cluster super tight though). You will see people quickly direct shotting people who aren't paying attention (or just having good aim) or using it to splash targets behind cover or those who strafe a lot.

It would be flexible, it would be powerful. It will be balanced due to it's inability to take on more than 2 targets in a clip and it's lack of overall ammunition, making it a compliment to your weapon slot, and not a niche weapon like it is now.

I dont think it should be a mini mass driver though - it should be more like a mini missile installation.
- Not that it should shoot multiple missiles but that it should kill/cripple a target once you hit it.

It just needs the proper buff to damage and blast radius and maybe a slight reduction to RoF

Dont reinvent the wheel, just tweak it back so its closer to where it was when it came out. With hit detection and AA where they are now, rifle and smg users could easily cope.

Ah that blows.. I've yet to have one survive me running into them. Been tons of times when I screwed up and missed or they shot my lav before I get up to them though.

And wow, the railrifle on my scout suit is niceeeee. Weekly KD

HAV kills in FW are now reasonably easier with just RE and a FluxGǪ Toss 3 REs on and then Flux, it drops shields (or makes a huge dent to Shield tanks) and the REs finish the job with no need to detonate.
Have had luck taking down heavily armoured tanks this way.

I came to a realization today. I thought about what suits I would spec into after I got my Cal scout... and realized I only wanted the other scouts. The other suits hold no interest to me. (Still want speeders and MAVs though)

*sigh*

... CCP better get to revamping the scout suit soon. My patience is wearing thin.

Pretty effective but don't be the center of attention. Drop an uplink in some well protected area, then get like 40 or even 50 meters off to the side of some firefight. If people are too busy to turn their eye to you you can lay on some serious heat and fast. A duh the Combat rifle is better but the GK-13 has class. This is practically a mirror of my Tac AR fitting but with some variance change.

Use LP store points, to try out the level 4 versions, without having to skill into them.
You might prefer one of those.

The assault RR is fun.

Agree too.

I got Minnie Lv5 straight off from the last respec. Lately I specced into Logi and Assault Lv3 as my plan was to have minnie suits across the board but if they do give another respec then I will just max out all skills even though it is a minimal gain.

May still skill into a Minnie Commando but other than that, sticking to scout all the way.

Yeah, I just wish there was a basic version, and then an IMPROVED one, rather than there being one-and-only-one type.
I'd use the basic.
For 17k, gaaah.... I dont spend over 10k on a weapon :p
I use it via LP points occasionally though.

Not wrong

I'll give it a shot.

*turns to controller* You'll never be as good as your siblings, you're just a third, redheaded step-child.

How'd I do?

This guy seems to be saying that scouts should be AV suits.

Does that sound stupid to anyone else?

You are OP in a scout suit as it is
What would you like to see for a buff

Personally I want to see CPU/PG increase (particularly for the Min), and a better slot layout (ideally an extra slot)

So, how about those new racial bonuses?

More specifically, the new Gallente logi bonus: +10% to active scanner visibility duration and +5% to active scanner precision per level.

I'm hoping I'm remembering some numbers wrong, but if I'm not, this means that not even a fully skilled scout would be able to escape a Gallogi-wielded proto scanner without equipping at least two profile dampeners.

The Gallogi with the suit at proto level would get 28*0.75= 21 dB scan precision.

A fully skilled scout would get a scan profile of 45 * 0.9 * 0.75 = 30.375.

Adding a complex dampener would lower this to 22,78125, still well above the Gallogi scan precision.

I would assume that adding another dampener would get it below 21, but since I can't remember how they stack, I couldn't say what level it would have to be at. In any case, having to pile on dampener upon dampener to achieve what's supposed to be a scout's main forte - even fully stealth skilled - is just preposterous.

And to add insult to injury, the scanner's visibility duration gets a hefty 50% hike, meaning we'll be on the enemy's radar more or less permanently.

I really hope either of the following is true:

• The numbers that Aeon Amadi has pulled are bogus or temporary, and will change before released
• These changes come with a lowered base scan profile for scouts, still allowing us to hide from most proto scanners
• The scanners get a significantly longer cooldown period

If not, we have yet another indirect scout nerf on our hands. The Gallogi isn't exactly an unpopular dropsuit to begin with.

I've only ever seen Nova Knife run a Proto Gallente Scout, but he is a substitute CPM, and hardly plays at all.

Speaking of which, what's the current scout channel? Is there one? I could use some scout buddies to run with. All the ones in my corp have stopped logging on...

I hear ya. Spawned into a game on Ashland with only half armor remaining for my team. Hacked 4-5 objectives and several CRUs. They were immediately flipped if I didn't stay and defend them (which didn't change much because 1 scout vs. 4-5 reds rarely ends well). The rest of my team spent that time padding the enemy's K/D. I only played for the final 2-ish minutes but was still first by a fair amount on my team.

*shakes head*

Im looking at things and they're looking up for scouts at early results outside of the cloaking module but until blue posts about it you're going have to lament in the darkness.

Scouts needs to be viable without cloaks.
Period.

And now for something completely different...


January events.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134803

waitWHUT????

OKay, some nice rewards for those who actually manage to stay alive long enough to kill. but..

*shrugs*

EZmode declared war on cloaks.




Sidenote:
How I would balance scanner precisions:
Scouts base profile allows them to avoid adv and std scanners out of the box.
Proto scanners cost more, have better stats, and can catch non-dampened scouts
Gal logi using proto scanners catch scouts without cmp dampeners
Make the focused impossible to beat (It placates the mediums and is terrible anyways)

Special twist - Bias the std scanner so it can only detect heavies but have high detection times. Why? Because CCP intends to make heavies tough SOBs and knowing where the heavy is can be a hell of a lot of help. This makes the std scanner have a use aside from being that thing that is immediately passed up since adv scanners are fairly cheap sp-wise.

This would be a great idea, if CCP would actually fix the scanner.....it's very irritating to get the, "NO MARGIN OF ERROR" message and then turn the corner to see someone with a Rail Rifle cut you down

This may seem a bit cheeky posting this but here goes, If there's any scouts out their looking for a corporation join (The Enclave Syndicate). Our public chat channel is (enclave gathering) come and squad up with us.

Plus if you need some training myself and Admonishment know a thing or two about scouting

They've had 8 months to collect data.
They had the Quafe event.

If I do participate, I'll run the cheapest suit I can.

@ Everyone
What are your thoughts on a strike?

Also, why the f*ck are we still dealing with tank spam?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1705189#post1705189

Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.

It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.

Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.

And IWS's point remains (though not sure about behind as he mentioned) that the Scout bonus isnt that beneficial if you still have to go ahead and skill up range and use mods.

Thing about passive - It only beneficial when you pick someone up you wouldve already seen but your focus was on something else. It is too LoS based. Light cover and even slight elevation in terrain can totally obscure foes.

I have ran head long into med and heay suits just because they were behind a small rise or around a corner of a building in an otherwise open area. And tanks and dropships - lol

Well normally its either full stealth or full speed for me but knifing requires a bit of both and all the suits I do have access to don't have the facilities for both.

The Last place people looks for REs.....is above them

Yes today I wanted to see if I could pull my old Killzone 3 tricks and you can! If you jump and throw RE simultaneously, you can get them to stick to the ceiling. Some are too tall but think about doorways and the underground halls in the Gallente research place or even on the Null Cannon up high.

Seriously it's fun trolling out there with REs where people never look.

On a related note
The bridgeGǪ. Side catwalk areaGǪ
Stick the RE to the railing on the stairs it guarantees the suit going over the rail and sailing into the distance

HILARITY

That's pretty fuckin awesome

That is INSANELY AWESOME

I like!
Count me in :-)
If I may suggest ... (for once the event is underway)

* Ask participants to check in with their daily NK kill totals.
* Encourage participants to share their stories ... maybe even drop names of victims :-)
* Keep a running total for each participant on a front-page event leaderboard.

Let me know if I can help. o7

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Update: I've changed my mind about knives.
Though they're far from the optimal choice for a Gallente Scout ...
There is something uniquely appealing about killing with them.

Carved my first HMG heavy last night.
It was a slow and painful dance.
Not unlike a prison shanking.

I was in a D-Fly running ZN-28s.

Edit: Just dumped 650k more SP into NK Operation / Proficiency. Will keep you posted :-)

Judging by this statement I assume you don't know Remnant already confirmed we are having our base scan profile reduced (~35 at the moment). Essentially we are getting our previous bonus built in. The G Scout is for those who really hate scanners.

With all the discussion of scouts balancing by dropping sidearms to balance the eq slot gainGǪ so we can fit cloaks.
What do the Logi lose, since they gain from the cloak as well?

Scanners/profile need to be rebalanced. Hardcore. If a scout gets scanned his effectiveness is battle is decreased by epic proportions.

A gal logi will make 3/4 of scouts worthless on the battlefield.

I'm a Logi and I know they're imbalanced and OP :P

I know that's not your point, but I just don't want to seem like the bad guy when I'm really not

would you trade a grenade slot instead? (time sensitive question)

That's why there needs to be basic non-specialized suits that are good at doing a wide array of things, while have multiple specialized suits that are laser focused on one or two things. After all, that is why they are called specializations.

Also combat was never really a "scout" role, that's not what scouts do. However, so many people have taken up to using scouts and light frames in general as fast assault players so they supported that. But if you try to make a single specialization both combat oriented and stealth oriented then it's not going to be great at either because of how they'd have to balance it, so that removes an option and makes the sandbox less flexible. More specializations are a good thing, as well as making the basic frames good for a lot of things but a master of none.

And to be clear, this combat oriented light frame specialization I am thinking of would be much better than any combat-fitted light frame you can currently make, because it would be designed from the ground up to be combat oriented and there'd be no situation where "Oh, but this suit can also do stealth so we have to make sure we don't give it too much combat power." Nope, none of that. It'd be a combat light frame assassin if you will, and do very well at that, but not have the stealth potential of the scout. More specializations allow suits to get much better in certain areas than less specializations could ever allow.

That is definitely a fair concern to have, CCP doesn't have a good track record for getting things out within a reasonable time frame. However, do you believe that specialty suits and broad-generalists suits are the way of the future for Dust? If so, wouldn't you rather have CCP start working on that now and be finished sooner in the long-run, rather than make the scout suit design something temporary and then have to change it yet again when they get more specializations and then have people ask for respecs again because they changed the scout and all those problems?

There really is no ideal way to go about this, just finding out the least-wrong way. However, I'd imagine the light frame basic would keep it's sidearm even if they removed it from the scout, so there would still be that in the meanwhile.

Well going to push for a just a pure unadultered +1 EQ on scouts see how far I get. The SA or GE are nearly equal on reasons why losing it is a bad idea, maybe half and half but bleh not fun argument.

Thank you.

Can you reveal why CCP thinks scouts need to lose a sidearm to gain an equipment or is the NDA an issue? As others have noted, we aren't going to become OP by just having one more equipment.

As I recall you did awesome in that FW game. Those Amarrians just wouldn't give up... but they had no skill at holding any objectives. Their entire strategy consisted of zerg enemy objective, clear out, hack and rotate to next objective....

Our team was good and overall we kicked them to the curb even when they were bringing 6-8 guys to the same spot.

You were #2 on the leaderboard with mid-teens number of kills and like 7 or 8 deaths. You had like 1500 WP - if we were in a regular match our 3 man squad would have ended up with 2 OBs. Not a bad showing at all!

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On the CCP front, I really wish they would just stop with all the silliness and just give us the buffs we've been asking for for so long related to speed, stamina, precision, range etc..... maybe alter the slots a bit by adding an EQ or a High/Log for Gal/Min....

Stupid cloak is ruining everything and it isn't even here yet!!!

Geeze, give up a sidearm for one measly EQ slot!? WTF?? We aren't even close to being balanced, and they want some trade, BEFORE if we even see if the cloak is reasonable enough to use, let alone good enough to trade a sidearm for??

Man, as a guy that only uses sidearms, that sounds like utter crap even to me.

Also looking forward to the extra SP event.... not so much the Shinobi event. I don't need any suits and I still need lots of practice with my main weapons, and not so much the knives because I don't use 'em....

As for a respec:

Scout all the way.... all the way until the bitter end. Even if I'm the last scout I'll stand alone on a deserted peak with one pistol and a suit with no slots on it that only sprints at 6m/s....

Check the nameGǪ I will be the last one

And the mediums will say, "My, those scouts made an awfully defiant noise before we vaporized them."

I lied, I am going to post, but only for the good of you scouts wanting to use NKs

Speed tanking NK video: Went 21/10 all NK kills.....had quite a few "white knight scouts".... trying to save their bluedots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOU

Fit
1 complex SE
1 enhanced SE
Ishies
2 complex REDS

I am noticing ihit detection issues against scouts...

Sidearm Scouts

The Ion Pistol will have a charged shot for alpha hits
Aeon's thread o' "leaks"

Up to 50 NK kills

This is going fast

Just a note to anyone who hasn't already

Get the F/45's
I always asked myself why
But OMG the activation time makes so much difference.
(Orbital Artillery Map)
I hacked all two of the city objectives and the CRU and removed some Uplinks that my extremely large throbbing (scan radius) picked up. But they came back with a vengeance. After the first assault I eventually died. I spawned in knowing at the moment they were close to starting the hack.

I spawn

First thing I see on my 36 meter passive picked up is a mass of reds, some near the objective, two right near me but behind a convenient pillar. I switch to F/45's immediately, set one down, make myself noticed, down goes two. They started the hack whilst I killed. I run over to Bravo, slap an RE right under their damn noses while they hack, jump off the ledge while being shot from fresh spawned enemies. Detonate, and down goes two more without a successful hack. I did not die either.

All in the course of like 10 seconds. F/45's really do make a difference and especially when playing Matador with LAVs.

Also, baiting and blowing with RE's is there anything more fun within the game as of now?

Yeah, a Heavy onced walked through my RE with a small bit of health left, I was shitting bricks.

So, I made Flako a bit mad today, and I want some feedback on this.

In short, I was playing against Flako, a buddy of his from uptown, and Nyra Volki. So, we go all Scout out, and have our knives out. However, we also all have our primaries ready to go because of all the Med Frames (I had my ACR, Flako had an AR I think and I think Nyra went SMG).

Anyways, I pretty much went on tear that round. I had like 16-20 Knife kills that round, not excluding my ACR which was used whenever another scout approached me with something other than a knife, and for any poor red dots.

So, I have a great round, and shoot a GG to Flako and Nyra. I was surprised at the hate I got back from this. Now, I can understand someone getting mad about GG when the game wasn't even close at all. However, the game was actually REALLY close, and came down to almost 50 clones before we won (on our side) compared to their 30.

But that wasn't why he was angry. Apparently, I was a little B**** for not taking them on head on. I knifed Flako twice that match, and both times was when I snuck up and stabbed him while he was letting some poor fool have a taste of his AR.

Yes, you heard me. I did not rush in there and take them on head on. Apparently that is what "Real Nova Knifers" do.

So, I shoot back in the chat channel a very simple question. "WHY THE HELL WOULD I FIGHT YOU HEAD ON?"

If flanking and knowing what fights I should run away from makes me a b****, then I will gladly stay one. I just have no idea why someone would get so mad at refusing to fight a battle where I would be at a clear disadvantage. That's just not smart tactics.

TL;DR
Flako called me a b**** for refusing to fight his squad head on. I reply asking why the hell I should fight people head on in a scout suit. Am I a b****? Or is Flako just angry at getting knifed two or three times in a match. Help me out here, cause I feel like I have done nothing wrong here.

Agreed. "Over Powered" implies a benchmark. At this time, we have no benchmark.

This is why I say we should see it in battle first ... so we can measure these changes against the changes to other suits and account for any mechanical tweaks / engine improvements (which always seem to slap us around).

2EQ slots!


Cloak + RE

Nano + RE

Cloak + Nano

Cloak + Uplink

RE + Uplink

lots of room for different strategies now

So guys... now that we're not going to be mega gimped...

What are we going to have to ***** about now?

So far during this event, I've had a number of honorless scouts kill me. While approaching each other, they pull knives, so I pull mine out. These motherless dogs then pull out their rifle and kill me. What is an honorable response to getting gunned down after accepting knife fights?

Red, Green, Codebreaker for me

I can't wait to see what people do with the new scouts
On potential respec, I'll be staying Gal on this account as well as Min on my alt. Though i must say I am a little Cal Curious

Where is he pulling the 25% extra damage?

Also: This should go on the front page. That was quick. We don't even have the suits yet

To the knives.

Must have been knifed too many times this week.

He is not the first

this guy is

Iron Wolf Saber weighed our pleas, solicited our input, intervened on our behalf and appears to have delivered.
Furthermore, he has embraced the tools of our trade and lived to tell his tale, no doubt now addicted to Knives.
For his efforts and consideration, I propose we declare him Honorary Scout.

Cast bastards' vote, In Favor or Opposed.

In Favor (8)
Lucifalic
Krom
Shotty
Monk
Moody
Mollerz
Llast
Kahn

Opposed (1)
Daxxis (proposes 'Friend of Registry' vs 'Honorary Scout')

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Honorary Scout
Esteemed title awarded by the Scout Community in recognition of exceptional contribution to Bastardly cause.

Former Recipients:
Sontie - For having founded Scouts United.
Oha Yo - For having been the sexiest Scout to ever grace New Eden.
Aeon Amadi (Nomistrav) - For exhaustive research efforts on the state of the Scout.

I wonder who this is....

Iddon just informed me the max HP for an amarr scout is.... 1023. mother of god.

So I'm wondering what scout to spec into after the patch.

Caldari scout looks incredibly resilient - 450 shields with a 2s (with regulator) recharge delay and 50 HP/s is insane. That kind of durability without slowing down at all seems amazing, especially as it'll have a cloak and good passive scans as well.
Gallente scout's dampening bonus might be valuable with the new Gallogi, and can fit an absurdly massive tank with inherent regen.

Minmatar scout... Seems like the best choice for ninja work. Knife damage bonus, fastest scout, room for kincats, acceptable regen and a hack bonus.

Amarr scout looks like it can run all day and tank very well too. The stamina looks amazing - a load of my deaths tend to be from running out of stamina when I need to vault over a railing to escape or something.

I'm presently leaning towards the Caldari scout, although I like knifing and the Gallente scout is my racial favourite.

Anyone else care to share their thoughts?

On Shinobi:
If offered Respec, I'd seriously consider switching from Gallente to Minmatar.
Knives are that much fun.

While I know that having two fitting bonuses is kinda lameGǪ (Cloak + weapon)
Fitting bonus to LAAAZZZOOORRR would not necessarily be a bad thing for the Amarr scout.
Amarr weapons are tough to fit
Scouts have a hard time fitting top end gear (though this looks to be less of an issue with the new stats)
It creates fitting space for other high cost mods (Ferro I am looking at you, that's right no slow down on the already slower scout)
Laser weapons already has a diverse selection of weapons
Scrambler rifle is a very adaptive weapon for scout use (Amarr Urban Sniper, that will still handle some solid battle and peekaboo fighting) Most scouts already know the pistol to be a Boss. LRGǪ well it's supposed to be buffed, though i still don't like the "here I am" trail of light.

Flaylocks don't need a bigger clip.

They need more damage (direct and splash).

That's about it.

200, 250, 300 direct damage

150, 165, 185 Splash

ROF is fine.

It needs a better ammo skill though. +1 per level? REALLY?

Oh great, that is exactly what I was going to suggest!

Now the only real concern is the NPE. New players looking to play scout won't be able to use the defining feature. With only 15% fitting reduction, and given these fitting costs and standard scout fitting capabilities, it's just not going to happen. Maybe at level 3 it'll be better, haven't looked much into it, but initial reaction is that the cloak won't viably fit on any scout until you get the full 75% fitting reduction.

...?

With one complex damp and skills a scout is at 23.6 db.

To beat a focused i'd have to use both of my available low slots. a minnie is going to have to use a PG upgrade to fit things in his slots.

This also means a caldari will NEVER be able to beat a focused without completely ruining his suit.

Simply put no. I do not agree.

Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around. To rely on peoples laziness to equip the proper scanner is not a way to balance something.

We can't make a bonus for an equipment based off of one race of one suit. Combat roles need to vary across the races. Not make one master race to rule them all. Despite my future love of my caldari scout suit.

Yes the scout event has brought peoples paranoia up by quite a bit. Soon people will realize "oh if i equip that I don't have to worry about that scout anymore nor anyone else. "

That's only one person in a squad of 6 that has to move from a proto side arm and nade to a std side arm and std nade. You guys have to remember that people talk to each other over comms and relay intel. Also scanners display your location to entire squads, not just one guy.

You can't rely on people being idiots. Not every match is your average derp filled pub match.

An easily counter-able scout becomes useless in a competitive setting.

I'll just link this back up since I love this spreadsheet so much. I wish I could remember who the original author was.

Scanning and scouts 1.8

Scouts need only apply 2 complex damps to beat focused scanners now. Except for one case. Gal logi focused duvolled. Even then, you need only worry about getting scanned and visible for 7.5 seconds every 40 seconds. Huge windows of opportunity. Over 30 seconds to find the gal logi and kill em good.

Also, only 100 m range with a 60 degree angle.

Yes Caldari scouts make sacrifices to accomplish this. As we should. But we can.

Take home point Scouts, a force not easily countered

Lag knifing is a totally different game
Last week I had a match and knife fights against some scouts where the lag was brutal. I could actually detect when one was around just by the lag
Pretty sure they were having the same effectGǪ Found one going all Blair Witch in a corner, stabbed them full charge 6 timesGǪ nothing, then we snapped back to new positions and the real fight continued.

With the way the cloak looks, and my intended use of it, I don't think I am going to need to proto cloak. I suppose it depends on if a bonus is attached to the skill it may be useful. Right now just not seeing a point to going full out on it for me.

That's a pretty sick screenshot.

Got the knife in mid-flip

Got a lot sitting and a lot I want to do with it come 1.8GǪ the siren call of shenanigans says spend it on the PLC max that outGǪ all of it.
Trying to resistGǪ

But the Ion Pistol is looking like an UP piece of crapGǪ so obviously I am leaning in that direction right now.

No, I mean assault dropships
And wow you wasted so much sp
Lol cardio sp
Lol precision sp
Lol proficiancy 3 with your sp on 4 weapons
You only need level 4 armor and shield upgrades
You only need level 3 in armor plates

You have much to learn.

@ Brothers
Thanks for the warm wishes :-)
Mission Accomplished.