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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me.
Intervening terrain inhibits your "vision" you won't even see a HAV behind a cargo box
KRRROOOOOOM
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
702
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:59:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable.
I dont think ive ever seen a reliability problem, other than the "doesnt scan through terrain" issue.
I think it' s more accurate to say that it's not all that useful, until you've skilled it out to at least 30m, but preferably over 40m
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
273
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:02:00 -
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I live by my passive scan. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2692
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:03:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable. I dont think ive ever seen a reliability problem, other than the "doesnt scan through terrain" issue. I think it' s more accurate to say that it's not all that useful, until you've skilled it out to at least 30m, but preferably over 40m
Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.
It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.
Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
185
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:06:00 -
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I'll tell you this...
I'm not giving the reds on the other team anything for free.
I'm picking up my knives and my remotes and putting them on my cheap little Dragonfly scout suit, and I am going out to cost people some money. |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
185
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:08:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable. I dont think ive ever seen a reliability problem, other than the "doesnt scan through terrain" issue. I think it' s more accurate to say that it's not all that useful, until you've skilled it out to at least 30m, but preferably over 40m Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up. It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often. Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
I have the same problem... |
Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
611
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:09:00 -
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And IWS's point remains (though not sure about behind as he mentioned) that the Scout bonus isnt that beneficial if you still have to go ahead and skill up range and use mods.
Thing about passive - Its only beneficial when you pick someone up you wouldve already seen but your focus was on something else. It is too LoS based. Light cover and even slight elevation in terrain can totally obscure foes.
I have ran head long into med and heavy suits just because they were behind a small rise or around a corner of a building in an otherwise open area. And tanks and dropships - lol
In your blind spot
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11846
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:10:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable. I dont think ive ever seen a reliability problem, other than the "doesnt scan through terrain" issue. I think it' s more accurate to say that it's not all that useful, until you've skilled it out to at least 30m, but preferably over 40m
it does scan through terrain at times though that's where it seems to have reliability issues.
Also another another suit back in my experimental days at the start of uprising I had a gal assault, it literally had eyes back of his head in terms of picking up larger suits behind him that where trying to be sneaky.
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
188
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:14:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:And IWS's point remains (though not sure about behind as he mentioned) that the Scout bonus isnt that beneficial if you still have to go ahead and skill up range and use mods.
Thing about passive - It only beneficial when you pick someone up you wouldve already seen but your focus was on something else. It is too LoS based. Light cover and even slight elevation in terrain can totally obscure foes.
I have ran head long into med and heay suits just because they were behind a small rise or around a corner of a building in an otherwise open area. And tanks and dropships - lol
Oh, man ... don't get me started. SO MANY TIMES I've run around a corner ... right into an HMG.
It's a great bonus in theory, but I don't trust it anymore... |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3901
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:19:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:And IWS's point remains (though not sure about behind as he mentioned) that the Scout bonus isnt that beneficial if you still have to go ahead and skill up range and use mods.
Thing about passive - It only beneficial when you pick someone up you wouldve already seen but your focus was on something else. It is too LoS based. Light cover and even slight elevation in terrain can totally obscure foes.
I have ran head long into med and heay suits just because they were behind a small rise or around a corner of a building in an otherwise open area. And tanks and dropships - lol Oh, man ... don't get me started. SO MANY TIMES I've run around a corner ... right into an HMG. It's a great bonus in theory, but I don't trust it anymore...
True this, I don't know how many times I've not picked up midframes, lavs, heavys, and even TANKS.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
962
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:27:00 -
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@ Llast - I got your back for some hunting, dude! We can put down some medium frames with Gusto!!
@ Shotty - I don't think I want to go on strike for two reasons:
1.) It robs CCP of data. As nervous as I am about them mis-interpreting data, I'm more nervous about them making decisions without it. 
2.) It does seem l like they are trying to offer scouts some rewards based on scoutly play, and I'd hate to slap them in the face considering we hardly get any attention.
On a side note I do enjoy playing scout more than medium or heavy....
@ Marauder.... dude.... I'd rather be taken down by a fellow scout (even if he is wearing a medium frame) than anyone else.
For this event I will definitely only run STD gear, but I do that anyway so it's the most valid data I can give CCP. If anything I may build some experimental militia builds... because, you know: screw those medium frame guys - if they want to run all over the map chasing me down for a kill, they ain't getting more than 2k or at most, 10k ISK for it.....
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
705
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
it does scan through terrain at times though that's where it seems to have reliability issues.
Sighhhh..
I'm guessing this is tied to the game engine.
I have a hunch passive can scan through add-on (aka static mesh) terrain, but it cant scan through true background (aka BSP, aka "world floor") terrain.
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Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:32:00 -
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one not picking people up with my passive. Sometimes no one can hide and other times, as mentioned running headfirst into an hmg |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
1711
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me.
.. ARe.... yOu trYinG oUt sCoutS?
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
382
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:43:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. .. ARe.... yOu trYinG oUt sCoutS?
Watcha cat video before your mind breaks into rainbows!
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1711
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:44:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.
It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.
Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
It's true. As a minja I'll be running along and all of a sudden i start getting wiped out in time to turn and see the heavy running towards me from out of nowhere.
Gallente scout you see so much more it's crazy. I'm only level 3 Ginja too. Combat awareness is far better than on a minja.
Minja doesn't see jack **** a lot of the time unless it's right on top of you.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:44:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
it does scan through terrain at times though that's where it seems to have reliability issues.
Sighhhh.. I'm guessing this is tied to the game engine. I have a hunch passive can scan through add-on (aka static mesh) terrain, but it cant scan through true background (aka BSP, aka "world floor") terrain.
This is how it seems to be behaving
KRRROOOOOOM
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pseudosnipre
496
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:47:00 -
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Putting this here for comments
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:C to D could be open space and point b which looks over it is full of hostiles and its a sniper ally.
Getting into nests is still very hard to do with all guns pointed in your general direction with no flankable option.
I surely do not jest, a good scout can raptor a squad to death currently this tool would help them a bit.
Depends on the sniper first being the corner sniper where you cannot flank said sniper for his sniper alley is the same as the only ways to get to him. The second of which is the recon snipers the ones that don't hug their scopes all the time and only pick off targets of oppertunity.
Red reticule hunting is needle in the haystack. You would know if you got hit with the worst of the render bug.
Hunters are creatures who thrive on creatures of habbit, those that constantly call and recall their tanks or always call their tanks in one spot of the map are most prone to being victims. FW has taught many this.
It can be easily a problem on the smaller maps, also the cloak would save travel time by not having to take the massively long route. Hence the better use as a mobility tool and not a weapon.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1711
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:47:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
it does scan through terrain at times though that's where it seems to have reliability issues.
Sighhhh.. I'm guessing this is tied to the game engine.
False. It's ****** coding.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
201
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:48:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I still feel scan radius is a bit useless on a scout, still getting shot my things not on the minimap and they were like 5 meters behind me. Passive scanning is not reliable.
^ this.
Since 1.7 deployment, passive scanning has gone to the toilet, for me at least.
I could see just about everything coming around me.
Now I might get a blip here and there within 10m.
I do not even see tanks, LAV's, derps until it is too late to do anything,
I hear them, but I look at my scan radius, nothing to be seen until it's.....
and if I try (flee) I get lag lead boots to keep me around long enough to be slapped killed willy nilly one shot.
" No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:49:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Putting this here for comments Iron Wolf Saber wrote:C to D could be open space and point b which looks over it is full of hostiles and its a sniper ally.
Getting into nests is still very hard to do with all guns pointed in your general direction with no flankable option.
I surely do not jest, a good scout can raptor a squad to death currently this tool would help them a bit.
Depends on the sniper first being the corner sniper where you cannot flank said sniper for his sniper alley is the same as the only ways to get to him. The second of which is the recon snipers the ones that don't hug their scopes all the time and only pick off targets of oppertunity.
Red reticule hunting is needle in the haystack. You would know if you got hit with the worst of the render bug.
Hunters are creatures who thrive on creatures of habbit, those that constantly call and recall their tanks or always call their tanks in one spot of the map are most prone to being victims. FW has taught many this.
It can be easily a problem on the smaller maps, also the cloak would save travel time by not having to take the massively long route. Hence the better use as a mobility tool and not a weapon.
What comments, some of your own statements makes me think poorly of your own abilities. I may not be a dedicated sniper or scout but I am an Omni Soldier which does require to know how best to skin everything and inversely how to avoid getting skinned.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:50:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:@ Shotty - I don't think I want to go on strike for two reasons: 1.) It robs CCP of data. As nervous as I am about them mis-interpreting data, I'm more nervous about them making decisions without it.
I don't really think this is data collection, if it is then CCP scares me, knives can be fun by are in no way the only thing a scouts do, in fact the knife is more of a fun play style more than a serious one. In really competitive matches knifes are not what are used by an large against a really competent opposition.
I also know this because some of the better knifers out there have been stopped dead in their tracks by my little sister who plays a hmg heavy solo guarding an objective, completely destroying an all out scout squad of half knifers and combat rifles. She forced the knifers to go to the combat rifle and still mopped them up. (though I was watching her play and telling her everything they were most likely going to do in advance like "stop, he's luring you out for a remote/ambush", "wedge yourself here", "this guy is will probably trying again by flank this direction", "check six", etc)
It made me realize how scout smarts with other suits is op
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
1731
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:Putting this here for comments Iron Wolf Saber wrote:C to D could be open space and point b which looks over it is full of hostiles and its a sniper ally.
Getting into nests is still very hard to do with all guns pointed in your general direction with no flankable option.
I surely do not jest, a good scout can raptor a squad to death currently this tool would help them a bit.
Depends on the sniper first being the corner sniper where you cannot flank said sniper for his sniper alley is the same as the only ways to get to him. The second of which is the recon snipers the ones that don't hug their scopes all the time and only pick off targets of oppertunity.
Red reticule hunting is needle in the haystack. You would know if you got hit with the worst of the render bug.
Hunters are creatures who thrive on creatures of habbit, those that constantly call and recall their tanks or always call their tanks in one spot of the map are most prone to being victims. FW has taught many this.
It can be easily a problem on the smaller maps, also the cloak would save travel time by not having to take the massively long route. Hence the better use as a mobility tool and not a weapon. What comments, some of your own statements makes me think poorly of your own abilities. I may not be a dedicated sniper or scout but I am an Omni Soldier which does require to know how best to skin everything and inversely how to avoid getting skinned.
*The whole bar goes quiet*
Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11849
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:54:00 -
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learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault ><
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault ><
This is the day the CPM's realize that scouts weren't crying for nothing.
Everyone does our job better.
Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1711
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:57:00 -
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MAken Tosch Great Debate Update:
Point one- concedes scouts do not need to hold weapons or equipment, but must use both hands to use cloak. You must uncloak, switch to a weapon and then use it.
Point two- concedes that at least a 1.5 meter buffer must exist that decloaks a scout if an enemy comes within that radius.
After Maken made the post about the glitch that allowed you to charge sprint knives, something only a few scouts knew about and did not abuse, he used it as a topic for his own image and ends. I was taken aback. It was such a self serving thing to do, but hey, F it. We never abused it, and thus no one ever knew about it. However, we would have had it in our back pocket if we ever needed it. He took it upon himself to be the white knight of our group. The so called honorable one.
Now he is speaking on behalf of scouts in a medium framed debate conceding all kinds of points as if it is on behalf of the scout community.
Hey Mak- STFU.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1711
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault ><
On of the best moves you can learn is to leap where the prey will be and releasing your charged swipe as they enter your hitbox.
believe it or not, but bunny humping a target as youmove towards their rear as you are slashing takes them down pretty fast as well.
Just wait until you run into back peddlers. Prepare for frustration 
As an aside, wtf is an omni soldier? Jack of all trades? lol.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11851
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:05:00 -
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Jak'Saan wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.
It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.
Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
I am precision lvl 5 and radius lvl 5, I run an adv precision mod and a cpx range mod and I've noticed a few things. To be honest I think it is a latency/scan cycle issue. Why I think so is that, when I simply run without waiting, I run into baddies that were not scanned by passive. If I wait a fraction of a second, they get scanned. Which is why if you have cpx range, you will almost always scan them since it will take a sec for them to get to you. If you think about it, the active scanners have the same bug. Where red dots don't pop up as soon as you scan them sometimes. Instead, It's like it waits a second (even after your scanner is done scanning) and then pops up. To me, sounds like latency.
hmm... /me jots this down.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2704
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:08:00 -
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Jak'Saan wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
Which is not something a Minmatar can do (comfortably). So when you have a tight scan radius you need it to work reliably. Quite often the tacnet just simply does not work. You can know a guy is on the otherside of a wall and he won't show up. You can know a heavy is right beside you and he won't show up.
It doesn't happen ALL the time but it happens quite often.
Some matches my scan works awesomely and I'm amazed at how far I can see. This doesn't always happen.
I am precision lvl 5 and radius lvl 5, I run an adv precision mod and a cpx range mod and I've noticed a few things. To be honest I think it is a latency/scan cycle issue. Why I think so is that, when I simply run without waiting, I run into baddies that were not scanned by passive. If I wait a fraction of a second, they get scanned. Which is why if you have cpx range, you will almost always scan them since it will take a sec for them to get to you. If you think about it, the active scanners have the same bug. Where red dots don't pop up as soon as you scan them sometimes. Instead, It's like it waits a second (even after your scanner is done scanning) and then pops up. To me, sounds like latency.
Yeah pretty safe assessment. I made a comment in a video I did a while back about how sometimes it feels more like sonar pinging people and that ping just takes an insane amount of times sometimes.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11855
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:09:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:learning to knife without charge while running sucks and I never been fan of the side straddle hop or lunge. Also my scout seems still feels far less stealthy than my assault >< On of the best moves you can learn is to leap where the prey will be and releasing your charged swipe as they enter your hitbox. believe it or not, but bunny humping a target as youmove towards their rear as you are slashing takes them down pretty fast as well. Just wait until you run into back peddlers. Prepare for frustration As an aside, wtf is an omni soldier? Jack of all trades? lol.
Basically, suffers from lack of access to higher specializations so we have to learn how to survive and remain relative on the field with basic or weaker gear for spreading our portfolio thin. The most deadliest tool in our arsenal sometimes is a well placed supply depot. My most successful depot hugging got 20 guys killed before they finally blew it up to peices. Swapped between logi, shotgunner, demo, assault, heavy, sniper, AV light, AV heavy to defend that one spot and they kept coming in fragmented waves to which I swapped to the best suit ot deal with them.
I have all basics unlocked and all advanced weapons unlocked now going down through suits but now I am considering banking my sp to save up for the new suits and guns so they'll be on par with majority of my lineup.
Alldin Kain is probably the best known omni around.
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