And that's why we need falloff.

explain how falloff would work compared to simply increasing base scan range?

Because then it would mean that the higher the profile of the scanned, the further away he's detected from.
Rather than everything is detected in a 100m radius (if you had that range)
So those tanks? Gonna come up on your radar a klom away.

Does scanning round to the nearest integer?
So a profile of 21.3 and precision of 21.7 would result in actual values of 21 and 22 respectively meaning the scan wouldn't show anything?

I copied the document and I'm fiddling with some ideas but there's no point presenting them if they don't work.

Also Rattati what are some key ideals you've already made your mind up on?
I don't want to present you something you're going to dismiss out of hand for reasons not apparent to me at the time, when I could have spent my time doing something constructive.

Gallente should beat best precision with one damp and cloak active, all other scouts should reach it with two damps. Also, will you be giving signature penalties to all plates or just complex. I recommend the latter, because otherwise assaults will be impacted negatively.

I was trying to gather the ewar pillars earlier. Feel free to expand on them.

IF we have to have one be useless, let's make precision useless. Back in the old days, scouts were nigh impossible to detect to eachother. Scout battles became "Fighting in the Dark". Lots of skill involved.

I want to move back to that stage.

Wow. Leave to do other things to find 100+ notifications.

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This is bad and you should feel bad. Allowing scouts to dodge scans WITHOUT using more than 2 modules is bait for the old Gal Problem. With one damp, I can give you a Gal scout with around 700 HP, be invisible, sprint at over 9m/s and run full proto.

THIS IS BAD.

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2.) Here is the main problem we are trying to address. eWAR. eWAR is in a VERY sorry spot right now, mainly due to the fact that there is no BALANCE to scanning/precision.

One is king, and the other is USELESS in these scenarios.

IF we have to have one be useless, let's make precision useless. Back in the old days, scouts were nigh impossible to detect to eachother. Scout battles became "Fighting in the Dark". Lots of skill involved.

I want to move back to that stage.

Scouts can't do their job if scanned. Scouts should not counter scouts.

Active Scanners should counter scouts, but in waves of opportunity (Scans being unable to perma-scan).

It would follow this:

Scout beats heavy (Slow target that is blind to the scout)
Heavy beats Med (Tons of HP and DPS.)
Med beats scout (Only a bit slower, can dodge scans with damps, and has an HP advantage)

Notice how I mention med frames running damps. Meds used to run TONS of damps in PC, due to the fact that they could avoid scouts. This gave them their place in the above statement. Heavies were then PROTECTED by the Med frames.

Med frames and heavies engaged each other, with scouts running along the edges of the skirimish and eliminating lone targets and assassinating heavies if they could get away with it.

THIS is the goal we should be working towards IMO.

I would love to hear a response from you on this Rattati. I would go into detail, but it's dinnertime.

EDIT:

Playing Tales of Symphonia right now, but will check periodically.

Also, if you do this: DON'T forget about the vehicle scanners as well

Fundamentally a problem arises when you have 1 ghost scout and 1 precision scout. Either their bonuses are meaningless or they leave the other scouts in a terrible position.

Unless we declare two of them "Actual Scouts" and the other two "Light Assaults".

make 2 precision and 2 ghost, lol

IF we have to have one be useless, let's make precision useless. Back in the old days, scouts were nigh impossible to detect to eachother. Scout battles became "Fighting in the Dark". Lots of skill involved.

Also, if you do this: DON'T forget about the vehicle scanners as well

Fundamentally a problem arises when you have 1 ghost scout and 1 precision scout. Either their bonuses are meaningless or they leave the other scouts in a terrible position.

Unless we declare two of them "Actual Scouts" and the other two "Light Assaults".

Let's see how that scenario plays out by actually just changing the numbers.

Wow, that was a lot of posts to catch up on

My 2 ISK, as the discussion seems well under way.

The requirement for two complex damps an an active cloak to avoid the best precision possible seems solid, and allows three of the scouts to outright fit dampeners if they so chose. But I would request that the cloaks be given a base profile dampening at all levels (as per pre-alpha, though probably around the 10% mark instead of 25%, but what ever will work with the math), instead of forcing scouts into using a proto suit with 2 proto modules + one piece of proto equipment.

The benefits of the cloak should be around the size of the wave (time dampened), not there only being one viable wave.

Otherwise the investment for new bro's is just unachievable.

Proto scout + proto dampeners + proto cloak = ~3.6 Mil SP

Adv scout + proto dampeners + standard cloak = ~2.1 Mil SP

Would also mean that new bro's could fit standard/enhanced damps and cloak to achieve partial dampening.

I know most of us are already full up on damps etc, but won't somebody think of the new bros!

I'm just catching up on the dev posts so I don't know if anyone has brought this up again but if passive scans are shared then precision is innately more powerful. What I mean is that countering 6 dampened scouts with one player with high enough precision is not balanced. I'm for passive scans being shared but I'm also for every scout being invisible with enough sacrifice.

On the topic of sharing passive scans with squads, I believe currently all squad members can see each others passive scan from anywhere. What if we change this so in order to see a squad member's passive scan you must be within that squad member's passive scan? So for example, if I am an Amarr scout with 30 meter scan radius, I only share my passive scans with squad members who are also within 30 meters of me.

taking a step back here....why are we balancing precision as if every player is using a scout....?

Even in a competitive setting, you usually won't have more than 6 on a team, and with assaults getting buffed, that number will be going down even further

Because everyone else is scout food