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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:11:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I love hacking stuff.
Old habits from BF3. Taking objectives is second nature. Well, if you're a Scout here, then what were you in BF3? o_O The most badass recon in BF3 #162 in the world with the m39 EMR Top 0% for headshot distance 25% of total kills were (top 6%) Sniped out 13 helicopter pilots in combat Meet EVL_Elgost105 Some pretty impressive stats. How ever, I do feel compelled to say that I shotgunned a crew out of a helicopter and then hijacked said 'Copter. Only happened once but it was my proudest moment
Now only if you can knife people out of a dropship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83QnjJMc3A (edit found it)
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
868
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:23:00 -
[8102] - Quote
Spademan wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Aren't we supposed to let this die now?
Nah, we're keeping it for public relations, that kind of thing.
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2113
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:37:00 -
[8103] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spademan wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I love hacking stuff.
Old habits from BF3. Taking objectives is second nature. Well, if you're a Scout here, then what were you in BF3? o_O The most badass recon in BF3 #162 in the world with the m39 EMR Top 0% for headshot distance 25% of total kills were (top 6%) Sniped out 13 helicopter pilots in combat Meet EVL_Elgost105 Some pretty impressive stats. How ever, I do feel compelled to say that I shotgunned a crew out of a helicopter and then hijacked said 'Copter. Only happened once but it was my proudest moment Now only if you can knife people out of a dropship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83QnjJMc3A (edit found it)
I've blown up a Helicopter with my M98B before. Does that count?
(Hint: It involved camping their chopper spawn, and a suicidal support player with C4)
I still can't believe I never got mail for that stunt.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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J0LLY R0G3R
Tickle My Null-Sac
379
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:50:00 -
[8104] - Quote
This thread will reach 514 pages. It just will.
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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Krom Ganesh
Nos Nothi
1292
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:55:00 -
[8105] - Quote
J0LLY R0G3R wrote:This thread will reach 514 pages. It just will.
Do we win Dust when it happens?
1.8 can't get here soon enough.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2035
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:56:00 -
[8106] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Some Initial Math is in
Max Stamina Single Sprint
AK 1443 Meters MK 1057 Meters GK 1065 Meters CK 780 Meters
Max Stamina Numbers
Ak. 1964 Mk 1337 Gk 1396 CK 1022
Yup.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2115
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Posted - 2014.01.20 23:57:00 -
[8107] - Quote
Krom Ganesh wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:This thread will reach 514 pages. It just will. Do we win Dust when it happens?
Everyone here would win a free Dust.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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pseudosnipre
573
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:14:00 -
[8108] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:When thinking about stamina you have to consider it's two uses currently in game: the marathon at the beginning of a match, and your ability to sustain motion during hectic fights. One of the prime abilities of a scout on CQC maps is the ability to be nearly everywhere at once. Your stamina dictates not just your survivability but how aggressive you can be in combat. It dictates how much presence you can have on the battlefield. When you run out of stamina you are easily hunted down and killed. Most of my deaths when I'm on a roll come from when I finally run out of stamina and can no longer kite/run away from my enemy.
In these realistic applications of stamina and aggression, a scout must take breaks to refill his stamina pool. Even with a complex regulator a minmatar/gallente/caldari scout has to wait for a very long time once he runs out of stamina or he will have to choose to continue to fight with in a weakened state. A scout entering a fight with less than half a stamina bar and runs into something unexpected is probably going to die.
With a bonus to pool AND regen the realistic applications of stamina on an Amarr scout means this: With it's higher EHP and juggernaut like stamina he will be able to remain aggressive until his HP runs out. Not the other other way around like every other scout. You spend practically no time with regen (you're not supposed to be about HP regen anyway). You can remain aggressive until you 1. Run out of ammo 2. Get killed.
No scout is sprinting 100% of the time. Sometimes it feels like it but it's not. Especially if you're jumping over railings a lot. The Amarr's regen and pool size means it will practically never see it's stamina depleted in most situations. My math is quickly supporting this. Max Regulator setup and skills 1964 Stamina 194 Which means seconds of running 30 Jumps in a row 350 stamina regen a second Just making a big jump over a hill and you recover all the stamina used for the jump and then more while maintaining speed. 1) Your jump ability is not based on stamina amount, but rather stamina percent. This means that no matter how much stamina you have, you cannot increase the amount of jumps you can perform in a row. Also it means than an equivalent stamina regen bonus won't let you regen your jumps faster because the higher stamina pool increases how much stamina it requires to jump. 2) No one is going to run max regulators, so it's silly to say the bonus would be bad because the Amarr scout would have 1964 stamina. Let me show you some real math. If the Amarr scout bonus were 20% per level, then the Amarr scout's new stamina with no modules would become 450, or 45 seconds of sprinting. Now let's compare If a Gallente scout adds a complex cardiac regulator, it's stamina becomes 420 If a Caldari scout adds a complex cardiac regulator, it's stamina becomes 420 If a Minmatar scout adds a complex cardiac regulator, it's stamina becomes 441 So they are pretty much all in line, with the Amarr scout only able to sprint for 3 more seconds than the worst stamina scout. And yes, it is fair to compare an Amarr scout with bonus and no mods to other scouts with a mod slot, because if the Amarr scout wants to have comparable profile dampening, scan precision, or hacking speed it too would have to use up a module slot.
Regarding 1. above, does CCP have the game mechanics in place to change this favorable for the Amarr scout? Does it fit lore for the Amarr scout to be a jackrabbit? Regardless, I think it would be cool.
I see you and KINGCHECKMATE spending a lot of effort QQing about how garbage the bonuses are, but I have yet to see you making any constructive statements...the kind of constructive statements that this thread has provided for the Gallente and Minmatar scout suits.
Either stop trolling us with requests to nerf the other racial suits OR start putting your energy into proposing corrections worth implementing...or just stop posting in this thread. Onesimus and Patrick57 are already here to troll us.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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J0LLY R0G3R
Tickle My Null-Sac
381
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:14:00 -
[8109] - Quote
You get a dust, You get a dust, and YOUUUU get a dust
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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pseudosnipre
573
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:16:00 -
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And I agree that nobody is going to fill up all their lows with endurance mods...
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5978
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:31:00 -
[8111] - Quote
pseudosnipre wrote:And I agree that nobody is going to fill up all their lows with endurance mods...
If CCP was doing the Amarr bonus right I wouldn't need to since my scout would fulfil a role focused on biotics anyway.
My Low slots are concerned with a single armour plate, a repper, and a electronics module. And that's only on my combat skirmisher suits designed to supplement my squads movements. On my stealth focused one I am filling all lows with biotics and electronics.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Outer Raven
WarRavens League of Infamy
166
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:43:00 -
[8112] - Quote
pseudosnipre wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:When thinking about stamina you have to consider it's two uses currently in game: the marathon at the beginning of a match, and your ability to sustain motion during hectic fights. One of the prime abilities of a scout on CQC maps is the ability to be nearly everywhere at once. Your stamina dictates not just your survivability but how aggressive you can be in combat. It dictates how much presence you can have on the battlefield. When you run out of stamina you are easily hunted down and killed. Most of my deaths when I'm on a roll come from when I finally run out of stamina and can no longer kite/run away from my enemy.
In these realistic applications of stamina and aggression, a scout must take breaks to refill his stamina pool. Even with a complex regulator a minmatar/gallente/caldari scout has to wait for a very long time once he runs out of stamina or he will have to choose to continue to fight with in a weakened state. A scout entering a fight with less than half a stamina bar and runs into something unexpected is probably going to die.
With a bonus to pool AND regen the realistic applications of stamina on an Amarr scout means this: With it's higher EHP and juggernaut like stamina he will be able to remain aggressive until his HP runs out. Not the other other way around like every other scout. You spend practically no time with regen (you're not supposed to be about HP regen anyway). You can remain aggressive until you 1. Run out of ammo 2. Get killed.
No scout is sprinting 100% of the time. Sometimes it feels like it but it's not. Especially if you're jumping over railings a lot. The Amarr's regen and pool size means it will practically never see it's stamina depleted in most situations. My math is quickly supporting this. Max Regulator setup and skills 1964 Stamina 194 Which means seconds of running 30 Jumps in a row 350 stamina regen a second Just making a big jump over a hill and you recover all the stamina used for the jump and then more while maintaining speed. 1) Your jump ability is not based on stamina amount, but rather stamina percent. This means that no matter how much stamina you have, you cannot increase the amount of jumps you can perform in a row. Also it means than an equivalent stamina regen bonus won't let you regen your jumps faster because the higher stamina pool increases how much stamina it requires to jump. 2) No one is going to run max regulators, so it's silly to say the bonus would be bad because the Amarr scout would have 1964 stamina. Let me show you some real math. If the Amarr scout bonus were 20% per level, then the Amarr scout's new stamina with no modules would become 450, or 45 seconds of sprinting. Now let's compare If a Gallente scout adds a complex cardiac regulator, it's stamina becomes 420 If a Caldari scout adds a complex cardiac regulator, it's stamina becomes 420 If a Minmatar scout adds a complex cardiac regulator, it's stamina becomes 441 So they are pretty much all in line, with the Amarr scout only able to sprint for 3 more seconds than the worst stamina scout. And yes, it is fair to compare an Amarr scout with bonus and no mods to other scouts with a mod slot, because if the Amarr scout wants to have comparable profile dampening, scan precision, or hacking speed it too would have to use up a module slot. Regarding 1. above, does CCP have the game mechanics in place to change this favorably for the Amarr scout? Does it fit lore for the Amarr scout to be a jackrabbit? Regardless, I think it would be cool. I see you and KINGCHECKMATE spending a lot of effort QQing about how garbage the bonuses are, but I have yet to see you making any constructive statements...the kind of constructive statements that this thread has provided for the Gallente and Minmatar scout suits. Either stop trolling us with requests to nerf the other racial suits OR start putting your energy into proposing corrections worth implementing...or just stop posting in this thread. Onesimus and Patrick57 are already here to troll us. regarding #1
As Aero Yassavi touched on CCP changed the jump mechanic to this to stop bunny hopping period, due to count less QQ threads and their own philosophy of what they wanted to see in battle. I wouldn't bank on this changing for this one suit.
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OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
1276
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Posted - 2014.01.21 02:16:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:So, fellow scouts.... I have broken down and skilled into nova knives on this character, my G-Scout, for the Shinobi event, and I have to say that I'm having a challenging time with it. I am getting some kills but overall the style is a pretty big change from my pistols. I hope that it's not making my gun-game worse....
Anyway - what are your thoughts on using knives with the 1.8 G-Scout v.s. the 1.8 Minja? I'm sort of on the fence regarding whether the knife damage bonus and speed will be the way to go, or if it would be more useful to have a lower base profile dampening and rely more on stealth and infiltration..... plus, having the armor repair is nice and will mean I'm always combat ready if I can manage the time between engagements....
Any experienced players used both and have any comments?
Please note that in 99% of my games I run basic suits and basic pistols; which I intend to continue in 1.8. For knives I'd probably go with the ZN-28's, with max proficiency skills and maybe a damage mod in the high if I choose Gallente over Min.....
During the event I used my gk proto to knife, cuz a week before I finally did proficiency 5 in knive s, I used Gk.0 Complex Side damage Tt3 scp Ish knoks Adv scanner or compact hive Enh pd Complex range Complex red Basic reactive/complex range
Dude it worked well an in 1.8 you can use 2 x complex sides an if u have pro 5 in knives ur only 5% off a minmatars damage
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
882
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Posted - 2014.01.21 02:38:00 -
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OZAROW wrote: During the event I used my gk proto to knife, cuz a week before I finally did proficiency 5 in knive s, I used Gk.0 Complex Side damage Tt3 scp Ish knoks Adv scanner or compact hive Enh pd Complex range Complex red Basic reactive/complex range
Dude it worked well an in 1.8 you can use 2 x complex sides an if u have pro 5 in knives ur only 5% off a minmatars damage
This reminds me of a D-Fly fit I ran for the event ... lots of fun :-)
If I recall off-hand ...
HS: Sidearm Dmg Amp LS: Kin Cat, Range Extender PW: Assault ScP SW: Knives EQ: Compact Hive GR: Empty (or Flux) |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
103
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Posted - 2014.01.21 02:55:00 -
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Guys my ps3 has YLOD for this entire shinobi event so far, and probably wont be fized until its over, depending on when i get new flux. As a minja knifer, this is a crushing blow indeed
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2121
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Posted - 2014.01.21 02:57:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Guys my ps3 has YLOD for this entire shinobi event so far, and probably wont be fized until its over, depending on when i get new flux. As a minja knifer, this is a crushing blow indeed
Well, you missed out on almost 30mil worth of prizes.
I can send you 10mil if you want.
If we can get two other donors, we could save our buddy!
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
103
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Posted - 2014.01.21 02:59:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Guys my ps3 has YLOD for this entire shinobi event so far, and probably wont be fized until its over, depending on when i get new flux. As a minja knifer, this is a crushing blow indeed Well, you missed out on almost 30mil worth of prizes. I can send you 10mil if you want. If we can get two other donors, we could save our buddy!
You guys are the best lol did the event already end?
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
775
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Posted - 2014.01.21 03:37:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:So, fellow scouts.... I have broken down and skilled into nova knives on this character, my G-Scout, for the Shinobi event, and I have to say that I'm having a challenging time with it. I am getting some kills but overall the style is a pretty big change from my pistols. I hope that it's not making my gun-game worse....
Anyway - what are your thoughts on using knives with the 1.8 G-Scout v.s. the 1.8 Minja? Any experienced players used both and have any comments? ... Please note that in 99% of my games I run basic suits and basic pistols; which I intend to continue in 1.8. For knives I'd probably go with the ZN-28's, with max proficiency skills and maybe a damage mod in the high if I choose Gallente over Min.....
If you plan to run fully silent, then gallente is the obvious choice.
If you dont mind freaking out your targets with a scanner, than minmatar has a significant advantage. Not only does it have the knife damage bonus, but the .2 or whatever WALKING speed, is a significant benefit.
This comes in handy in two situations:
1. When you've been chasing some poor sap from behind for a long ways, and you BOTH run out of stamina... you will still be catching up to him.
2. It's good to have a faster strafe speed when knifing, if you are very close.
Against another knifer, it doesnt actually matter much, depending on what strategies you use. But when you're up against a flailing medium suit, it seems to help.
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
3859
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Posted - 2014.01.21 03:40:00 -
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BTW since i got back from my month and -+ without being able to play i've been rocking my scout suits. Plus will get the CAL Scout in 1.8
Just saying. Im back.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4114
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Posted - 2014.01.21 03:57:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Well, you missed out on almost 30mil worth of prizes. I can send you 10mil if you want. If we can get two other donors, we could save our buddy! You guys are the best lol did the event already end? If only I wasn't already poor
It doesn't end until the 22nd. You have one day.
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
338
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Posted - 2014.01.21 03:59:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Well, you missed out on almost 30mil worth of prizes. I can send you 10mil if you want. If we can get two other donors, we could save our buddy! You guys are the best lol did the event already end? If only I wasn't already poor It doesn't end until the 22nd. You have one day.
Nope. Runs through to the 29th, which means it will still be in effect for the 5 x SP week. I may be able to get to 30 knife kills by then!
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
451
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Posted - 2014.01.21 03:59:00 -
[8122] - Quote
So this is official the longest thread ever right?
I can't imagine any other thread with 400 pages
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4114
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:05:00 -
[8123] - Quote
Really?! Maybe there's a way I can scrape up 200 Nova Knife kills before it's over!
But probably not
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
433
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:06:00 -
[8124] - Quote
Marad''er wrote:So this is official the longest thread ever right?
I can't imagine any other thread with 400 pages
I swear nerf the tac ar in uprising 1.0 was about a million pages XD
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
887
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:10:00 -
[8125] - Quote
Marad''er wrote:So this is official the longest thread ever right?
I can't imagine any other thread with 400 pages
You are just the guy I'm looking for, sir: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1746228#post1746228
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
526
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:17:00 -
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Seriously, the amarr scout bonus isnt that bad....
Just because minmitar has faster run speed doesnt mean I dont run kin cats. In fact it means I MUST run kin cats. I suppose people still havent figured out that you enhance your suits best trait. The bonuses aren't there to have a "free mod". They are there to create a role.
A minmatar scout that plans on hacking objectives without at least one codebreaker is just doing it wrong. Yea its nice to have a little boost to hack speed, but it really only adds up once you have hacking V and using a complex codebreaker.
Thats the same for every other role bonus.
Anway, I still think caldari scouts are the way to go. Im hedging my bets on people wanting to spec into the scout as FOTM and I plan on making them regret it
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
739
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:44:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Seriously, the amarr scout bonus isnt that bad.... Just because minmitar has faster run speed doesnt mean I dont run kin cats. In fact it means I MUST run kin cats. I suppose people still havent figured out that you enhance your suits best trait. The bonuses aren't there to have a "free mod". They are there to create a role. A minmatar scout that plans on hacking objectives without at least one codebreaker is just doing it wrong. Yea its nice to have a little boost to hack speed, but it really only adds up once you have hacking V and using a complex codebreaker. Thats the same for every other role bonus. Anway, I still think caldari scouts are the way to go. Im hedging my bets on people wanting to spec into the scout as FOTM and I plan on making them regret it
This.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5983
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:51:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Seriously, the amarr scout bonus isnt that bad.... Just because minmitar has faster run speed doesnt mean I dont run kin cats. In fact it means I MUST run kin cats. I suppose people still havent figured out that you enhance your suits best trait. The bonuses aren't there to have a "free mod". They are there to create a role. A minmatar scout that plans on hacking objectives without at least one codebreaker is just doing it wrong. Yea its nice to have a little boost to hack speed, but it really only adds up once you have hacking V and using a complex codebreaker. Thats the same for every other role bonus. Anway, I still think caldari scouts are the way to go. Im hedging my bets on people wanting to spec into the scout as FOTM and I plan on making them regret it
No but it means you don't necessarily have to run a Code Breaker.
The Gallente essentially don't have to run a Dampener.
The Caldari essentially don't have to run a Precision Enhancer.
Now you consider the Amarrian bonus.
We're the slowest scout, our bonus doesn't even kick in until we hit that threshold where the other scouts are incapable of running, which at base level is about 2 seconds longer than the rest. So now you are trying to argue that a feature the is a basic racial component of the Amarrian combat doctrine like the Minmatar speed, the Caldari shields, and the Gallente Armour should in fact be considered against the bonus the Amarrian suits gets?
Not to mention the Gal and Caldari get 2 bonuses. Scan Range Enhancement, and their Dampener and Precision Enhancer, respectively, and the Min gets a Nova Knife Damage bonus.
Now consider that the Amarr gets one bonus worth one standard module.
Minmatar- One complex Code Breaker, Nova Knife Damage
Caldari- Complex Precision Enhancer, and Scan Radius Increase
Gallente- Adv Armour Repper, Scan Bonus, and a Complex Profile Dampener
Amarr- Standard Cardiac Regulator.
How the **** is that fair? Not one person thus far has justified this.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5668
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:54:00 -
[8129] - Quote
True, there is no place for logic here. We've all been arguing the same thing over and over and no one is budging. Best we wait for an official response from CCP now, surely they have already heard all the arguments for and against.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
2042
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:54:00 -
[8130] - Quote
So far, Amarr scouts are good at walls of text and ceaseless QQ. That stamina buff sure is working!
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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