Welcome, Brothers. Will update your killcounts later today.

I've started playing as a Militia Minmatar scout recently. Very tempted too skill into the real thing...

I have somewhere around 1,100 kills. Though only 200-300 of them are me playing as a scout.

Okay, was messing around with the Dust514 Fitting tool.

Here we go.

Proto Build #1. Knive/SMG

Shields: 234
Armor: 87
Sprint: 9.35
Stamina: 441
1x Complex Shield
1x Enhanced Shield
1x Complex Sidearm Damage Mod

Ishukone Nova Knives
Ishukone Assault Submachine Gun
M1 Locus Grenade

1x Complex Cardiac
1x Complex Kincat

Proto Build #2 Shotgun/Flaygun

Shields: 270
Armor: 87
Sprint: 10.03
Stamina: 210
2x Complex Shield
1x Complex Mybofibril (175 melee damage!)

Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
GN-20 Specialist Flaylock

1x Complex Kincat
1x Enhanced Kincat.


Kinda on the fence between these two. Not sure which one to build into.

Would love to hear some feedback on these suits.

Ugh. Gallente frames can turn deadly at high SP.

Messing around with the fitting tool again.

I created a Gallente scout with 124 Shields, 311 armor, and about 9 armor rep a second.

Gave him a K5 Specialist and a GN-20 Flaylock. He also sprints at 9.0 m/s. Still fast. And a LOT tougher.

He can rep his armor in 35 seconds. FROM 0. With a 120 Shield buffer, you can also withstand some damage while repping.

Here is the specs:

1x Enhanced Shield
1x Complex Reactive
1x Complex Repper
1x Complex Ferroscale
1x Complex Kincat

It also has the F/45 Remote's too. Lotsa fun.

Makes my Minja sad. I can't wait till they fix my knives :(

So, to give backing to my prior statements about not needing suit bonuses:

ADV give 150 *per swipe*.
Two swipes.
Charged.
Gives 600 damage, when you're taking out a hacker.
Headshot gives even more.

If he's somehow not dead, another quick tap gives 300more. or charged, gives another 600.

So, as I said, you dont need the minmatar knife bonus for assassination.

So non-Scouts are basically asking that our long awaited buff involve "Shared Squad Sight" specific to Scouts.

I can't tell you how many times I've had AR rounds pass over my shoulder as I stalk an unaware target.
Seems to me "Shared Squad Sight" would mean that this annoying occurrence would become commonplace.
Am I missing something here or are these guys asking that the Scout buff benefit them more than us?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that Recon is a part of our job.
But I prefer to "recon" when and what I choose by painting it with an Active Scanner.
Why not just give us two equipment slots so RE, Uplink, and Support oriented Scouts can do the same?

Oooh, yay, I have 11 of these myself!

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except it require pistol operations IV, which I do not have.

I'm about 2 weeks out from proto gal scout and though I likely won't be using it for much very often at all because of the cost, I am very much looking forward to playing with some slightly off the wall fits. I'm thinking like 4x cmp armour reppers for shield like reps and full health in 5 seconds. I've not specced into shields at all but really like your idea with combining regulators and reppers. I can't see myself ever giving up my cmp dmg mod in the high slot though - alpha damage is just too intrinsic to the whole hit and run playstyle.

Hey Shotty, seeing as you know the maths behind the profile dampeners, can I ask you what the profile of a heavy with 4 complex dampeners on would be?

I have no intention of ever doing this, I'm just curious.

I want to give SG another shot () since I made an eHP scout. I am getting a feeling that it kicks ass when you are not at a huge HP disadvantage. What do you mean by 'punch glitch'? Is it the part when you punch instead of shooting when you jerk your right stick too rough while trying to fix aim on target? If so, I have the same problem - it only happens with SG for me - I guess my thumb is too rough with these jerky movements.

If you really like killing people you might try using ome of the classes made to do so..... Heavy or assault?

Damn..8 mill?

I need to proto my scrambler rifle then, when the amarr scout comes out, I'll proto that out. I also need both my CPU and pg at 5 and hacking at 5 so...

I need about 3 mill for amarr scout.. 2 mill for both core skills and about 400k for proto scrambler.

Damn.. I need like 5-6 mill sp..

You want ouch?
if you're being a good scout, you should be able to sneak within 30 ft of an enemy to get first shot.

If you can do that, you can one-shot a light suit with a flaylock pistol, or combo scrambler-pistol => flaylock.

Shred shields, then drill through armor, in rapid succession.

'course, the best way is to knife em up close, but if you're all tanked up and waddle too slow, then you best resort to distance weapons like pistols [:D]

I'm loving my SMG even more now.

I took off my stamina and put on a CPU Enhnacer. Now, I have enough CPU to run as much Proto and shields as I want.

Proto Assault SMG + Complex Sidearm Damage mod + Proficiency, Sharpshooter, Reload 3 = OP SCOUT.

Not only that, but the Complex Damage mod also helps out the knives a ton. You just tap shot everyone. Half charge is enough for anything except one hell of a heavy.

I think this is how I will run my scout now

UGH. Breach.

A real Breach weapon would be High Damage, High ROF, low clip size and ungodly recoil.

Ozarow+Sinboto in same match on opposite sides : RE hell for everyone else

Likewise brother and if it makes you feel any better you had guys in my squad cussing you out lol cept that one guy who was wanting to spec REs after the match :D

If you're talking about the 15 dB, then you're correct. Otherwise, one dampener should do the trick.
Frankly, I expected to see more proto scanners this build. I've only been hit a handful of times.
Logis are complaining about being cash strapped as is.
There's a chance we won't have anything to worry about.
And a good chance we'll very, very rarely see the 15 dB.

Oh hey Ozarow, what is your gallente scout level?

It would be nice if you could help out and test whether the "scout level 5" dampening bonus from the min, transfers over to the gallente one.
Probably doesnt, but the way they worded the writeup... it just might.
Inquiring minds want to know :)

Even in PC the 28 db will be the most used just saying, on ennemy team you can now by name who is scout because we have a registery even before the game start, the 28 is more usefull because he can show the ennemy position more longer and you have time to adjust your position to face the eneemy not with the 15, he also cost less than the 15 db, one cost 6 pg the other 18.... Add this with the communication we got in pc between player whenever a scout kill someone in the back or flanking the ennemy can know by comms if its important. Personnaly you make a storm in a glass of water with the 15 db.

The scout his a specialist never forget this, can play many roles has i always stated, if you only try to br a slayer in PC its possible but you need to have a freaking strong infantry in your team to do this to create some open space .

Scouts role in PC
- speed hacker in beginning of the game
- key uplink installation anywhere on the field
- used has a swing to reinforce location due to his speed and sneak ability
- hacking ennemy home point
- hiding in a corner when you are at the defense of a letter until ennemy nearby ( RE instalation )
- kill poeple like anybody

Before the last patch everyone knew where I was regardless of scanners or my scan profile. Now they only sometimes know where I am. No one is going to sacrifice all their low slots to dampeners. OZAWROW needs to stop whining about this. The ISK value, the fitting requirements, and the duration are their to balance against seeing scouts. Active Scanners are working as intended.

Thanks.

FYI to other folks(and maybe you :) seems like some people think I'm saying you get "gallente bonus, PLUS min bonus".

That's not what I'm saying.

To Ozarow:
if we go with things separate, I think without modules, you would have:

gallente scout suit: 45 * .55 * .92 = 35.5
minmatar scout: 45 * .75 * .92 = 31.5

So... first off, we should get someone to scan you with a 28dB level scanner to verify that you do indeed show up, and it isnt additive :)

Then, get you scanned with each of those suits, and a basic, or militia damp module.

If my math is right, and bonus does not transfer, then your minmatar suit will be invisible, but your gallente will show up on scanner.
26.3dB vs 31.05dB

If bonus DOES transfer (or, heck, is additive :D ) then gallente wont show up on 28dB scanner either.


If you're availabe today, lemme know when, and I can try to sync and scan you!

I agree with knight of 6. I would normally consider a Scout to be a fast and highly mobile. They would also be lightly armored or shielded and have stealth capabilities. Usually, with hit and run or hard to use but almost always one hit kill weapon(NK's). Weapons of choice currently being Nova Knives, Shotguns, SMGs, Pistols. Though I have come to the conclusion that this is all useless. An Assault or Logi can do anything we can do except better. The only advantage we DID have at one point was going really fast and being hard to hit. That got taken away with Aim Assist and suddenly the Assault Rifles are one shot killing me from almost Sniper distances.

Its downright revolting right now how bad we are off right now. I can't even force myself to log on a play for the past week. I'm losing interest and not sure I even really want to log back on and play to be honest at this point.

Hello fellow scouts how are you all doing?

I am still running around in my advanced minnie with standard shotgun and having fun. it does help that I have shotgun proficiency at four now. It seems to surprise reds when I keep spamming shotgun shots at them at a really fast rate

His deployment is one year, right?
Seems he could've permitting the account to accrue passive SP.
Looking forward to Morathi's return ... he was a great mentor :-)

Looks vicious :-)

Are you sold on that complex reactive plate?
Thinking you could trade that pinch of HP for a 400% faster patch up (w/complex repper)

For those who don't know, the Gallente FW Scout Squads have been doing well. Played about 5-8 rounds with Shotty, Bojo, Jolly, Tygus, and a few other people whose names I cannot remember.

We lost one game, and that was against a bunch of ANONYMOUS. They spam Mass Drives alot

Also, we stormed up some ideas for FW bonuses. Someone told me that I had a great idea, so I went and posted it on Feedback.

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PSN : Antiochus_III
I just finish my course in paramedic
I have a national exam tomorow to be medic all around Canada ( except Quebec where im from lol )
After i have my boot camp for 16 week for the army
Its after i go to the base of Borden Ontario for at least 9 months for their medic course
I think in Borden i will have enough time for come back to play, i will probably go on Destiny when the game be release
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Hahaha!

Scout Squad anyone?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1376539#post1376539

For those too lazy to read, it will be 6v6 domination with 80 clones.

I think a good 6 man scout squad can win in Domination if we play right. Vehicles AREN'T allowed, so we will always get the hack first.

Spam some links, RE's, and we will always avoid the scanner

Also, winners get 5-15 Officer weapons of their choice, 10-30 QUAFE SCOUT DROPSUITS, and 5-15 mil Isk.

10-30 QUAFE SCOUT DROPSUITS

My remote explosives are takin longer then normal to activate, has anyone else had this problem?

Been having awesome luck with my knives and explosives lately.

An example of a Minja doing what a Minja does protecting the Matari's land in faction warfare.

The ambiguity comes around, for things like the dragonfly "scout" suit. which is generic scout.
scout suit skills are usually labelled to be specifically applicable to "(race) scout".
So dragonfly may or may not get bonuses. After all, WHICH should apply? min or gal?

In contrast, the Dren scout, explicitly identifies itself as "G-1". So, clearly gallente, so should get gallente scout bonus.

Side note: It's an odd thing that there are aurum versions of gallent scout, all the way up to proto... but no minmatar ones.
(at least, as far as the wiki knowledge goes)

I got a chance to test out Valor this evening.

I compared my ADV gallente suit, with 2xADV range extenders, with my Valor suit. Same char, same 2xextenders.

The result was a passive scan that kicked in at exactly the same distance of 29.mumble meters for me.

So, Valor is now proven to get same gallente range bonuses.

The Valor and Dragonfly should get all Gallente scout bonuses. They are specifically listed as Gallente SCOUT suits, not light frame, so they get the bonus. Same as how the Sever and Raven suits get their respective bonuses.

I just realized... the newly proposed changes for FW, and friendly fire, with PENALTIES for friendly fire... could be the best thing to happen to knife scouts in a loong time.



* Scout drops into middle of enemy troups
* YAAARR! little scout! Get i... waitaminit, if I fire, I could hit my buddy there um...??
* SCHNICK!
* SCHNICK!
* SCHNICK!

Finally saw a squad of scouts last night! And it went as predicted - I couldn't count the +50's quick enough.

I really wouldn't know - I hardly notice War Ravens in matches anymore. You guys blend in so well with blue berries these days lol jk

You only have seconds to place them tho before I kill you.

You'll find that I probably have the highest DPS possible for any gun in the game. And for your RE's to be useful you need to get in pretty close, which ups my DPS ;)

Shotty, take me off the list. I'm deleting DUST and don't expect to come back until this comes out on the PS4.

Morathi should've done the same.
Can't believe he deleted a 25M+ character.

good to see you pushing on bud, honestly I was thinking of leaving as well, I'll follow your example I think :D

not paying 4 the game until my scouts at least fixed, but I can mimic it . love seeing interesting suits on the battlefield then testing the next 2-3 matches to find out what they did!


[EDIT] by scouts fixed, I mean mainly our weapons and giving us a clear advantage over med frames!

Nah. I deleted my alt that I never played on.

Whatever, don't care.

Will trade quafes for Cala's. 2 Cala's per quafe.

I just wanna Minja run across walls and **** lol

Truly unacceptable. We must purge the tainted EZ mode beings from our channel

Running against Red Star in PC tonight was an eye opener of how useless scouts truly are in PC.

While I was easily able to flank around the city and enemy home objective and sneak in for the occasional hack, it was impossible to get back out because there was instantly a tank rolling in with a heavy to mow me down and nothing I could do against him. And then so many times I'd reach an objective guarded by just one heavy and be unable to get even close because even after fluxing his shields down he killed me with a toxin SMG before I could finish off his armour with my proto SMG.

I'm trying to wrap my head around how scouts could be made competitive in PC but struggling. Even if we had speed and stealth working properly, all they need is a lone heavy watching an objective and there's no way we can get in there. If we run with other teammates in PC we're already foregoing our stealth and speed, so what's the point in using a scout suit instead of a medium?

The only solution I can come up with is some sort of damage bonus, so that if we do manage to get the jump on someone we can take them out instead of them just shrugging off a few bullets and smacking us down.

When you say shield and armor, are you talking about the skills? If so, put your SP into other things for the moment. They are helpful but not essential (we have too low of eHP for the percentage bonus to warrant SP that is more useful in other areas). If you are wanting to use SMGs, they only really shine after getting SMG Ops to 3 and Sharpshooter to 3.

Edit: You should still get enough skill in armor to use standard tier plates and reactives

As for the ARs, yeah, we all know what it's like to be on the receiving end.

The best methods I've found for dealing with them is to learn areas where the meds roam and avoid them or approach from an unusual angle. If you are noticed while in SMG range, quickly strafe back and forth but don't get locked into a pattern. Most AR users can't seem to handle me when I quickly switch strafe (even with AA). If you are noticed outside SMG range, run around a corner and wait for them. As soon as they pop around the corner, jump forward and away from the wall. Blast them while in mid-air then start strafing after landing. Most meds seem to expect scouts without shotguns or nova knives to just flee after being seen and usually react poorly against a scout flying into their face.

If you are scanned, leave. A scout that the enemy knows the location of is a dead scout.

And finally, duvolles will cut you down no matter what. To be fair, they cut everything down at the moment. Once you know who is using them, fight them using indirect means of confrontation, such as cooking grenades or REs.

YES!!!! Someone else going full Knifer!

I'll be keeping my Mini scout, but if there's a general respec I'm seriously considering dropping some of my medium spend and skilling into at least one other to support my different playstyles. Not sure if I'll go Cal or Gal though, difficult choice. Will need to see the final stats on them to decide I think.

Mini - runner/hacker/uplinks
Gal/Cal - hunter/assault

So, fellow scouts.... I have broken down and skilled into nova knives on this character, my G-Scout, for the Shinobi event, and I have to say that I'm having a challenging time with it. I am getting some kills but overall the style is a pretty big change from my pistols. I hope that it's not making my gun-game worse....

Anyway - what are your thoughts on using knives with the 1.8 G-Scout v.s. the 1.8 Minja? I'm sort of on the fence regarding whether the knife damage bonus and speed will be the way to go, or if it would be more useful to have a lower base profile dampening and rely more on stealth and infiltration..... plus, having the armor repair is nice and will mean I'm always combat ready if I can manage the time between engagements....

Any experienced players used both and have any comments?

Please note that in 99% of my games I run basic suits and basic pistols; which I intend to continue in 1.8. For knives I'd probably go with the ZN-28's, with max proficiency skills and maybe a damage mod in the high if I choose Gallente over Min.....

Does anyone know if any Minmatar scout BPOs were ever released? Just curious for when player market gets released. I've got the full Templar set, so I'd love to trade the Amarr BPO suits for a Gallente scout BPO and a Mini scout BPO, if it exists.

this post never happened.

i've been bending scouts over for so long I can't even remember your names. All your names sorta blur into a +50.

It's simple math really, fix the game so it's as balanced and fun as possible, i.e. no blatant FOTM, matchmaking, rewards etc by changing backend values. Then use all the information and feedback we have to fix bugs and change content we can only do with a client update, when and if we believe it will be the right thing to do. Stabilize and grow.