True Adamance wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

Seriously, the amarr scout bonus isnt that bad....

Just because minmitar has faster run speed doesnt mean I dont run kin cats. In fact it means I MUST run kin cats. I suppose people still havent figured out that you enhance your suits best trait. The bonuses aren't there to have a "free mod". They are there to create a role.

A minmatar scout that plans on hacking objectives without at least one codebreaker is just doing it wrong. Yea its nice to have a little boost to hack speed, but it really only adds up once you have hacking V and using a complex codebreaker.

Thats the same for every other role bonus.

Anway, I still think caldari scouts are the way to go. Im hedging my bets on people wanting to spec into the scout as FOTM and I plan on making them regret it

No but it means you don't necessarily have to run a Code Breaker.

The Gallente essentially don't have to run a Dampener.

The Caldari essentially don't have to run a Precision Enhancer.

Now you consider the Amarrian bonus.

We're the slowest scout, our bonus doesn't even kick in until we hit that threshold where the other scouts are incapable of running, which at base level is about 2 seconds longer than the rest. So now you are trying to argue that a feature the is a basic racial component of the Amarrian combat doctrine like the Minmatar speed, the Caldari shields, and the Gallente Armour should in fact be considered against the bonus the Amarrian suits gets?

Not to mention the Gal and Caldari get 2 bonuses. Scan Range Enhancement, and their Dampener and Precision Enhancer, respectively, and the Min gets a Nova Knife Damage bonus.

Now consider that the Amarr gets one bonus worth one standard module.

Minmatar- One complex Code Breaker, Nova Knife Damage

Caldari- Complex Precision Enhancer, and Scan Radius Increase

Gallente- Adv Armour Repper, Scan Bonus, and a Complex Profile Dampener

Amarr- Standard Cardiac Regulator.

How the **** is that fair? Not one person thus far has justified this.

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Brokerib wrote:

Patrick57 wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Well, you missed out on almost 30mil worth of prizes.

I can send you 10mil if you want.

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did the event already end?

If only I wasn't already poor

It doesn't end until the 22nd. You have one day.

Nope. Runs through to the 29th, which means it will still be in effect for the 5 x SP week. I may be able to get to 30 knife kills by then!

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Aero Yassavi wrote:

mollerz wrote:

So far, Amarr scouts are good at walls of text and ceaseless QQ. That stamina buff sure is working!

LOL, ok that is funny I must admit

But honestly, none of this is QQ, it's all fair sensible argument with valid data backing it up. The only arguments I've seen against it is "Scouts have been so neglected for so long, just be happy" or "Stamina bonus is so good that it doesn't matter that the bonus is a standard module while everyone else gets complex." Or even "Amarr already have more stamina inherently so it's fine," which completely neglects the fact that Minmatar also have more hacking speed inherently yet get a bonus to hacking (all scouts get an inherent 5% bonus to hacking except Minmatar which get an inherent 10%.)

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Brokerib wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

mollerz wrote:

So far, Amarr scouts are good at walls of text and ceaseless QQ. That stamina buff sure is working!

LOL, ok that is funny I must admit

But honestly, none of this is QQ, it's all fair sensible argument with valid data backing it up. The only arguments I've seen against it is "Scouts have been so neglected for so long, just be happy" or "Stamina bonus is so good that it doesn't matter that the bonus is a standard module while everyone else gets complex." Or even "Amarr already have more stamina inherently so it's fine," which completely neglects the fact that Minmatar also have more hacking speed inherently yet get a bonus to hacking (all scouts get an inherent 5% bonus to hacking except Minmatar which get an inherent 10%.)

Honestly...very little of the argument has been sensible. Most of it has been emotive and vitriolic, and completly ignores alternate viewpoints.

Most scouts will support a push to change the bonus. But the Amarr proponents need to stop complaining about everyone else's suit, attacking anyone with a different view point, and stop calling for other scouts to be nerfed to meet an arbitrary equivalence.

I fully support the push to update the bonus, but the posts so far have been extreme in their views. Keep in mind that with the current bonus, lvl 5 Amarr scout and a complex cardio, the frame will sprint for over 60 seconds. That's insane mobility. All other suits would need two complex modules to compete.

As IgniteableAura indicated, scouts are a class that are most effective when pushing their extremes. Minmatar run kin cats to enhance their speed bonus, they don't just rely on the inherent bonus. Amarr can do the same with the cardio.

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Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Guys, CCP already stated they do not read this thread (because it is too many pages, too hard to keep track of things)

This is actually part of why we have discussions in here, so that we can get a reasonable dialogue and understanding of many points of view before tossing ideas into feedback and requests or general discussionGǪ or wherever things land.
Argumentative stances tend to be less productive.

Argumentative stances tend to be less productive? What does that even mean? Every point of view is an argument, just by definition.

Anyways, I'd love to see you try to counter the argument made in the thread I linked. If you can, my mind will be changed. Pinky swear.

A point of view is perspective, if you hold your perspective as the only valid way of seeing things then yes, you are right. Though if you understand other perspectives, view things in multiplicity and done only adhere to linear or black and white approaches then it's not an argument, because there is not a right or wrong, just difference.

We are very different people you and I

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Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Guys, CCP already stated they do not read this thread (because it is too many pages, too hard to keep track of things)

This is actually part of why we have discussions in here, so that we can get a reasonable dialogue and understanding of many points of view before tossing ideas into feedback and requests or general discussionGǪ or wherever things land.
Argumentative stances tend to be less productive.

Argumentative stances tend to be less productive? What does that even mean? Every point of view is an argument, just by definition.

Anyways, I'd love to see you try to counter the argument made in the thread I linked. If you can, my mind will be changed. Pinky swear.

A point of view is perspective, if you hold your perspective as the only valid way of seeing things then yes, you are right. Though if you understand other perspectives, view things in multiplicity and done only adhere to linear or black and white approaches then it's not an argument, because there is not a right or wrong, just difference.

We are very different people you and I

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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Guys, CCP already stated they do not read this thread (because it is too many pages, too hard to keep track of things)

This is actually part of why we have discussions in here, so that we can get a reasonable dialogue and understanding of many points of view before tossing ideas into feedback and requests or general discussionGǪ or wherever things land.
Argumentative stances tend to be less productive.

Argumentative stances tend to be less productive? What does that even mean? Every point of view is an argument, just by definition.

Anyways, I'd love to see you try to counter the argument made in the thread I linked. If you can, my mind will be changed. Pinky swear.

A point of view is perspective, if you hold your perspective as the only valid way of seeing things then yes, you are right. Though if you understand other perspectives, view things in multiplicity and done only adhere to linear or black and white approaches then it's not an argument, because there is not a right or wrong, just difference.

We are very different people you and I

Funny, I am reading a book called "Perspective" right now for my English 110 class in college.

So many similarities.....

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Llast 326 wrote:

Not one I've read, but you find a lot of interesting materials that explore these concepts in education.
I am sort of working on a thesis for applying an anarcho syndicalist perspective to social service and counselling work. You would be amazed at how integrated these approaches are in various places. It is a long way off from being done though, likely be something that i modify throughout my life, which is in it's own way very appropriate.
Anyway a bunch of stuff that has little to do with scoutlyness or bastardryGǪ my unwind time

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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Outer Raven wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Guys, CCP already stated they do not read this thread (because it is too many pages, too hard to keep track of things)

Certainly while the scout registry may be too long for CCP to chime in on, it can and will still be a forum of thought and reflection on the status of scouts and the game at large. Conversations that require CCP can and should break off from this hub of thought and start a thread anew.

This is rather interesting in the sense that it showcases the strength or rather the tenacity of a small but passionate community of players. One can only hope that some time in the far flung future of this game and forum alike that there will still be a scout registry thread ever increasing, ever growing in its body of work.

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