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Aero Yassavi wrote:

Tech De Ra wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Have you even looked at CPU/PG for this or are you just assuming because you have slots you can fit whatever you want?

After skills, the ak.0 has 446 CPU and 92 PG

3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used

adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 cpu and 76 PG used

220 shield, 779 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot and an equip slot free, with 181 CPU and 16 PG free to fit them

You should know me enough by now Aero that i don't comment on things that i can't back up :P

So I took the liberty to do the same thing with the gk.0. After skills it has 433 CPU and 97 PG

3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used

adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 CPU and 76 PG used

233 shield, 729 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot, and an equip slot free with 168 CPU and 21 PG free to fit them

That is 37 less EHP, 13 less CPU, 5 more PG, and faster than the Amarr scout.
So yeah, tell me how this argument of Amarr being so combat ready that it doesn't deserve a bonus equivalent to a complex mod, yet the Gal scout is arguably more combat ready and can get a bonus equivalent to a complex mod plus a secondary bonus.

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mollerz Minja Scouts 2020	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:56:00 - [8011] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: mollerz wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: Sweet! Defilers.... Indeed you got it right, bad mofo's perverting the burned landscape... Left you a lil easter egg on my alt sig Saw it... nice, thanks! Pretty much says it all. I met Brom when I was 15.. I could have bought one of his OG oil paintings for $500... oops! You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1059	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:00:00 - [8012] - Quote mollerz wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: mollerz wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: Sweet! Defilers.... Indeed you got it right, bad mofo's perverting the burned landscape... Left you a lil easter egg on my alt sig Saw it... nice, thanks! Pretty much says it all. I met Brom when I was 15.. I could have bought one of his OG oil paintings for $500... oops! ****, the man is a master.... I still marvel at his Dark Sun portrayals.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 723	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:13:00 - [8013] - Quote Done with Shinobi. Now I'm spending SP on Minmatar Scout. I am 18k SP away from Min-Scout Ops I At around 210 kills, probably more, just to be safe. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected]
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 522	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:24:00 - [8014] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Done with Shinobi. Now I'm spending SP on Minmatar Scout. I am 18k SP away from Min-Scout Ops I At around 210 kills, probably more, just to be safe. Go for 100 extra...just to be safe PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4084	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:46:00 - [8015] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Thanks I was one of the XP whoring Assaults Unfortunately, Dust had completely changed the way I play FPSs, so I can no longer play BF3 that well Now I just strafe and it doesn't work at all. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2087	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:20:00 - [8016] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Thanks I was one of the XP whoring Assaults Unfortunately, Dust had completely changed the way I play FPSs, so I can no longer play BF3 that well Now I just strafe and it doesn't work at all. I just burnt out. After 700+ hours, it kinda got old lol Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Not Iggy Nos Nothi 0	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:11:00 - [8017] - Quote Applied to EF.EZ I cant see the boards so I assume its a time delay thing. Ill read up tomorrow. IgniteableAura
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12349	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:07:00 - [8018] - Quote I will not resort to pants dropping! As for dog tags, I think caldari did away with those with smart tattoos and chip imprinting. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 725	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:24:00 - [8019] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will not resort to pants dropping! As for dog tags, I think caldari did away with those with smart tattoos and chip imprinting. Nova Knife would. Just sayin' Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected]
mollerz Minja Scouts 2028	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:49:00 - [8020] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will not resort to pants dropping! As for dog tags, I think caldari did away with those with smart tattoos and chip imprinting. You can carve off anything and save it. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2090	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:50:00 - [8021] - Quote mollerz wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will not resort to pants dropping! As for dog tags, I think caldari did away with those with smart tattoos and chip imprinting. You can carve off anything and save it. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2092	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:08:00 - [8022] - Quote Also, should we inform the Commandos about the Corp Forums? This is really a fantastic way for "Clubs" on the forums to have their own little area on the forums. It's really cool how this can be done. I think the commando's could benefit from this stroke of genius as well! Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Appia Nappia Nos Nothi 25	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:56:00 - [8023] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Also, should we inform the Commandos about the Corp Forums? This is really a fantastic way for "Clubs" on the forums to have their own little area on the forums. It's really cool how this can be done. I think the commando's could benefit from this stroke of genius as well! No. Our Idea. Don't let them know about it. IT IS A SEKRIT! Secretly Appa Vibbia
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 28	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:56:00 - [8024] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Also, should we inform the Commandos about the Corp Forums? This is really a fantastic way for "Clubs" on the forums to have their own little area on the forums. It's really cool how this can be done. I think the commando's could benefit from this stroke of genius as well! No. Our Idea. Don't let them know about it. IT IS A SEKRIT! The chamber of secrets grows larger...
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2087	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:57:00 - [8025] - Quote Might be able to get on to apply with my alt after work tonight or maybe a bit later in the week, so will hopefully hop in soon... In other news, so excited to get into fitting some suits. Definitely staying gallente but might skill up a proto shield regulator to bring shield delay to tiny (even though my shields are only 70hp, it will ALWAYS be up). Will probably fit a range extender as standard and carry at least F45s. Will stick with my 2x cmp sidearm dmg mods in the highs and then I've still got a low left on my advanced suit to play with... I dunno what to do with that really... plate I guess... The 2nd equipment slot will be where I get real variety going. Or maybe I'll just run with 2 sets of REs Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5545	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:58:00 - [8026] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Also, should we inform the Commandos about the Corp Forums? This is really a fantastic way for "Clubs" on the forums to have their own little area on the forums. It's really cool how this can be done. I think the commando's could benefit from this stroke of genius as well! You rang? What is this you are talking about? ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:58:00 - [8027] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Might be able to get on to apply with my alt after work tonight or maybe a bit later in the week, so will hopefully hop in soon... In other news, so excited to get into fitting some suits. Definitely staying gallente but might skill up a proto shield regulator to bring shield delay to tiny (even though my shields are only 70hp, it will ALWAYS be up). Will probably fit a range extender as standard and carry at least F45s. Will stick with my 2x cmp sidearm dmg mods in the highs and then I've still got a low left on my advanced suit to play with... I dunno what to do with that really... plate I guess... The 2nd equipment slot will be where I get real variety going. Or maybe I'll just run with 2 sets of REs Nah, I will prefer a cloak and a re
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5549	Posted - 2014.01.20 10:14:00 - [8028] - Quote Going to leave this here for you guys to ponder over about how the Amarr scout has so much better tanking ability than every other scout and thus doesn't need a bonus that is on par with the rest. Aero Yassavi wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Have you even looked at CPU/PG for this or are you just assuming because you have slots you can fit whatever you want? After skills, the ak.0 has 446 CPU and 92 PG 3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 cpu and 76 PG used 220 shield, 779 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot and an equip slot free, with 181 CPU and 16 PG free to fit them You should know me enough by now Aero that i don't comment on things that i can't back up :P So I took the liberty to do the same thing with the gk.0. After skills it has 433 CPU and 97 PG 3 complex plates, 1 advanced plate, 2 complex shield extenders: 218 CPU and 64 PG used adding a K17/D (R) hive: 265 CPU and 76 PG used 233 shield, 729 armor, 2 weapon slots, a grenade slot, and an equip slot free with 168 CPU and 21 PG free to fit them That is 37 less EHP, 13 less CPU, 5 more PG, and faster than the Amarr scout. So yeah, tell me how this argument of Amarr being so combat ready that it doesn't deserve a bonus equivalent to a complex mod, yet the Gal scout is arguably more combat ready and can get a bonus equivalent to a complex mod plus a secondary bonus. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 836	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:11:00 - [8029] - Quote ^ Related: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137111&find=unread
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 727	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:36:00 - [8030] - Quote I just don't think they should have an innate complex cardiac regulator. I like tehh 5% per level bonus. they just need something else that compliments scouts more. Give Amarr Scouts extra durability to equipment or something with cloak. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected]

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12359	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:24:00 - [8031] - Quote Some Math Pron Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Please for the love of god IWS stay out of balancing discussions. Be excessively careful who you want to discount because one can easily make fool of another. I just shot from the hip with gut feelings. Good thing I followed through. Amarr AK.0 (x = invalid) (* First worst to most worst) 25% Stamina and 25% Regeneration Rate 1 Light (x) 1 Side (x) 1 Grenade (x) 2 Equipment (x) 2 High (**) 4 Low () 70 Grid () 340 CPU () Armor 170 () Armor Heal 0 (x) Shields 60 (**) Shield Delay 4 () Full Delay 6 (*) Shield Refresh 30 hp/s () Hack Bonus 5% () Max Stamina 225 () Stamina Charge 40 sp/s () TTSM = 5.6 Secs () (Gk.0 is at 6.666... ranking *) Ground Speed 525/40(this assumes UE3 conversions) = 13.125 meters/s () (which seems wrong but for sake of measuring shoe sizes the /40 is tangible measurement for our needs here ) With Bonuses Applied Max Stamina 2251.25 = 281.25 Stamina Charge = 50 sp/s TTSM = 5.625 Throw in Biotics to V Max Stamina 281.251.05 = 295.05 Stamina Charge = 52.5 TTSM = 5.62 vs the GK 0's 210 31.5 and 6.666... Now lets throw car rads in, proto lvl 5 skills (10% bonus to the bonus yo) First one on each Complex Cardiac Regulator 110% Stamina 110% Recovery Ak. 0 MS 619.605 SC 110.25 TTSM 5.62 GS 13.25 m/s Gk. 0 MS 441 SC 66.15 TTSM 6.66 GS 13.625 m/s Stamina is consumed 10 units per second while sprinting, running does not penalize regeneration, sprinting adds 40% more speed so Ak. 0 13.251.4 = 18.55 Sprint speed 18.55(619.605/10) = 1149.37 Meters covered per sprint or 1.15 kms 5.62 Seconds to max stamina the amarrian would cover 74.4 meters Time is now 67.6 seconds with 1223.77 meters covered So True M/S is 18.10 m/s* Gk. 0 13.6251.4 = 19.075 Sprint Speed 19.075(441/10) = 841.21 meters covered 6.66 second to max stamina the gallente would cover 90.74 meters Time is now 60.7 seconds with only 931.95 So Ture M/S is 15.35 m/s Feeling Sorry for the Gallente I threw in a Kin Kat Complex at max level = 13.2% bonus (13.6251.132)1.4 = 21.5929 spring speed whoohoo 952 meters covered 6.66 covers 102.72 meters Time is 60.7 covering only 1054.72 True M/S is 17.375 m/s The gallente would almost have to use 3/4 lot slots just to compete against a single card reg amarrian. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12359	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:34:00 - [8032] - Quote anyways got asked to do the 5km run on the scouts so it will be a while. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2100	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:49:00 - [8033] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Stamina is consumed 10 units per second while sprinting, running does not penalize regeneration, sprinting adds 40% more speed so WAIT. WHAT!?! Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12365	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:50:00 - [8034] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Stamina is consumed 10 units per second while sprinting, running does not penalize regeneration, sprinting adds 40% more speed so WAIT. WHAT!?! running and sprinting are two different states. If you look into the SDE you can see that there are attributes and hooks to allow such, they could make it so that jumping from a crouch consumed more stamina and many more odd ended hooks. Thus while sprinting you do not gain any stamina, but while running you gain stamina normally. Sitting still offers no bonus to regaining lost stamina. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2100	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:51:00 - [8035] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Also, should we inform the Commandos about the Corp Forums? This is really a fantastic way for "Clubs" on the forums to have their own little area on the forums. It's really cool how this can be done. I think the commando's could benefit from this stroke of genius as well! You rang? What is this you are talking about? Check the earlier posts. We all created alts and put them into a Corp called Nos Nothi. We use these alts to essentially have our own private scout forum. We can moderate it ourselves, and even organize all of our data. It's cool yo. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 851	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:12:00 - [8036] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: :: Spills Beans :: ^ Wish we could moderate this. Shhhhh, Ghost.
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1291	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:27:00 - [8037] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: :: Spills Beans :: ^ Wish we could moderate this. Shhhhh, Ghost. There are benefits to people knowing about it though. It'd be like the CIA. Everyone knows it exists and generally what purpose it serves, but no one has a clue what is going on inside. We could even get conspiracy theories about us! 1.8 can't get here soon enough.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3037	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:40:00 - [8038] - Quote @ IWS I tried to explain how huge that stamina bonus is to some people but a lot of people dont get it. I personally think stamina is one of those things that is hard to explain how important it is to a scout so everyone is like "MEhhhh boring." Boring yes, but important to your survival it is. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5964	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:44:00 - [8039] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: @ IWS I tried to explain how huge that stamina bonus is to some people but a lot of people dont get it. I personally think stamina is one of those things that is hard to explain how important it is to a scout so everyone is like "MEhhhh boring." Boring yes, but important to your survival it is. I understand how important it is. Its the key to my mobility, my jumping, my sprinting. I have a basic capacity and pretty fair understanding of this game. But you don't think the other bonuses aren't significantly unfair. To achieve similar performance in one field I would have to dedicated a complex module to my Amarr scout yet another suit would only have to deciated a Standard module. Now granted the Amarr do have a stamina bonus, however this stamina bonus is basic racial aspect of the suit, and not something to be bartered with for its bonus. That's like taking the speed from the Minmatar suit but making its bonus the equivalent of a standard Kinetic catalyser. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5596	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:47:00 - [8040] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: @ IWS I tried to explain how huge that stamina bonus is to some people but a lot of people dont get it. I personally think stamina is one of those things that is hard to explain how important it is to a scout so everyone is like "MEhhhh boring." Boring yes, but important to your survival it is. Cyrius, as I tried to explain to you many times, no one is saying a stamina bonus is not huge or important. All we're saying is the percent per level is not enough. When you add a complex cardiac regulator to a Caldari or Gallente suit, they can sprint for 42 seconds. When you add a complex cardiac regulator to a Minmatar suit, they can sprint for 44.1 seconds. This isn't really far off from 45 seconds, which the Amarr scout would have if the bonus was in line with a complex cardiac regulator. When you consider that these suits are faster, they would also travel more distance in this shorter time. And yes, it is fair that these suits would have to use a slot to achieve similar stamina performance, because an Amarr would also have to use a slot if it wanted to achieve similar profile dampening, scan precision, or hacking speed. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open



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