The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them.

I think more competition is just good for the game.

The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends.

The only truly legitimate argument against respecs I've ever heard is how it would completely **** up a player market, because demand would shift randomly and make it impossible to corner, exploit, or merely profit from market trends. Also, that argument again assumes on demand respecs, which basically no one has argued for, ever.

I feel that is a completely legitimate concern, however, until that is actually a thing, it remains little more than a theoretical concern.

IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things.

I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme"

A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game.

IDGAF about flavor of the month, people getting what they want, or people being able to try new things.

I just can't stand people assuming and demanding something that is not necessary. The open market argument comes from the long term view respecs are a temporary thing until it's finally implemented. If they don't absolutely need to give a respec they shouldn't because it gives people the false idea that it should be a regular thing and this is the kind of game where they'll get respecs. I've said before I wouldn't mind a respec, given it was at the right time (medium suit slot reconfiguration, IMO bigger than the bonus changes), I do mind people saying "gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme or I'll leave, CCP screwed up, gimme gimme"

A respec doesn't fix CCPs mistakes, it just holds people off for a week or two until they remember all the other problems with this game.

hot dog! only 2 more pages till a full respect. the million clone event is supposed to be CCP's way of saying no respec, but here is enough SP to get any one new thing you want to proto.

I like the idea and event. but CCP your gonna have to give me at least 2 million SP to forget about a respec. lets barter

I think wee need a ful respec, a vehicles and one of infantry, because with the new resistance the turrens are affected too...

I think we just have different views on what is necessary. For me, player enjoyment and satisfaction is necessary, and showing us that they finally want to provide racial parity is a very good time to get everyone on the same page.

One way or the other, another respec is in the future, whether it's now or later on when racial vehicles and weapons are added.

I simply argue that holding off helps nothing because if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Letting people have fun in the mean time does nothing but let people have fun.

If CCP wants to kill legit respec concerns, they provide racial parity, and leave it alone aside from occasional % passes here and there to better smooth out balance.

Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have to stand against that every time it comes up.

"if you can't run it in advanced why take it to proto"

More arguments don't necessarily make better arguments.

As for myself I'm a fully specced Gallente Logi with maxed cores and my weapon of choice is the AR. Even if I was given a respec I'd keep what I have. Would I move around a million or two? Probably, but I would eventually skill back into what I had before, I skilled into nothing that I didn't enjoy at standard. I've always been a "if you can't run it in advanced why take it to proto" kinda guy so the cost to get in a new suit are minimal and if it's worth taking to 5 I'll take the time to do it, using LP or AUR gear in the meantime.

I always wanted to be a Gallente Heavy and seeing as how it was unreleased content that should have been there I just saved up. It wasn't even hard, we've had countless events that offered more than enough SP since the announcment of the new suits, I just didn't spend it on anything I wasn't sure about, same reason why I still won't spec into the CalLogi despite having the SP for it, and an interest in having it. It's not CCPs fault if I spec into the CalLogi and have none left for the suit I wanted more.

For anyone who thinks it's unfair for me to be against respecs because I have so much SP, I've capped out almost every week for over a year, with boosters running most of the time. I've paid my fair share in both hours and dollars into this F2P game.

Fair enough. My build is personally being buffed, quite a bit in 1.8 (Hmg / Forge Sentinel) and since not refunding dropsuit SP is insane (because scouts and heavies should have the chance to play their races suit without sticking to the ones they didn't want) I will at least have a perfectly viable fit with very little wasted SP, right from the get go.

That doesn't change that I still will basically never ever spawn in it, but while I do feel that's a legitimate concern in an FPS environment, I have not and will not ever argue that that's a legit call for a respec. My personal desires for a respec are selfish in that I just want to have fun doing the only thing that's fun to me (on the ground) in DUST: Scout. I have barely touched my heavy in many many months now, I only fly or run my scout that has no relevant skills other than basic core skills.

For me, NPE is an entirely different topic (a vital topic, but a different topic). Respecs obviously don't take that much away from dev time, it's not like we're detracting from the games development by adding these in as a cushion to change.

I want to see legit respec threads die. I want to laugh at QQ respec threads when someones FoTM gets nerf hammered for a bit. It's one thing for balance passes to come through and shake things up a little, but it's another thing entirely to release long awaited core material, and just tell people to deal with it; sit on the stuff we forced you to use, buy these nice omega boosters, and grind your happy ass into what you would have played from the start had we not ****** up and failed to release it on time. It's a slippery slope that CCP brought onto themselves, because even just refunding Dropsuit Command isn't enough when you consider each race prefers a different style of tanking.

There are just too many arguments as to why these refunds are good at this exact moment. One way or the other, we'll know soon enough, and will see plenty of QQ threads on the forums regardless of which way the cookie crumbles.

That is your own personal decision. Telling everyone who wanted to play heavies that they should have just waited isn't an argument. Just because you enjoyed playing logi and decide to wait doesn't mean that every non Amarr heavy in the game should have followed suit.

Basically confirmed.