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Tallen Ellecon wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded.

That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it.

DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter

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At least you got a refund on something.

I'd rather I didn't.

Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now.

That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa

Really, they give you a respec and it's not enough? You're reaction may be tame but I'm waiting for all the butthurt from people who expected more. Shields and armor trees are like 4 mil a piece, only about 1mil to use complex if you use LP modules. There's a freaking potential 2 mil extra SP over this weekend. People just can't be satisfied with anything. This is exactly why I was against respecs in the first place, people will still have an excuse to be pissed.

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Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 18	Posted - 2014.03.12 03:19:00 - [991] - Quote Ghural wrote: I think there should be a limited respec mainly due to the reason that many players have been forced into suits simply because their racial counterpart has not been available, despite CCP promising that these were coming soon almost 12 months ago. Once the full racial lineup of suits (and vehicles) is out. No more respecs. You may now consider the game launched. Yes, I think it that, but if they change drastically the things they have to refound our Points :) Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San Renegade Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:55:00 - [992] - Quote here New Eden. but this is DUST514. isnot EVE. Stubborn players are cancer :) "Refund associated with the specification change management's duty" Emotion is not needed. we need respecs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12156	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:16:00 - [993] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: That is your own personal decision. Telling everyone who wanted to play heavies that they should have just waited isn't an argument. Just because you enjoyed playing logi and decide to wait doesn't mean that every non Amarr heavy in the game should have followed suit. Speccing into the Amarr heavy was everyone else's personal decision, it's not like it was wasted SP, they used it, and just because something they want more finally comes doesn't mean they have any more right than anyone else to take a big chunk of SP out of one thing and put it into another. It doesn't take that much SP to take a suit to advanced if you know you are eventually going to stop using it for another suit. You can argue that we could have a respec just this once because of the racial parity reason, but then to be fair you'd have to do it every time they added new things, and I've already stated why you can't have constant respecs. Obviously we won't see eye to eye on this for one simple reason: You see the Caldari and Amarr Scouts, as well as the Gallente, Minmatar, and Caldari Heavy frames all as new material. I see only old material. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:59:00 - [994] - Quote I would remain hopeful of a respec. With a full reset of talents CCP knows some of the player base that left due to the lack of "shiny new things" will return. A bigger player base allows for more money and it makes the developers look good. There's a message in my Cheerios!
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:36:00 - [995] - Quote I'm not so sure they will give us one now that this 1 million Clone Event is about to occur... But still in favor of one. Also, we have been waiting for a Respec since the Flaylock, Commando, Scrambler Rifle. MONTHS. Time for a respec when what people finally started playing this game for: Racial Parity, has come in the form of suits. Another Respec after Vehicles, and we will be DONE. A smart player will wait to skill into the Medium Frames because they are getting their slots changed, but that is their decision. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1642	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:38:00 - [996] - Quote When racial parity is done for skills, i.e. we have logi/assault suits, scouts, and heavies, CCP dont have to add new skills when adding new content. They could instead, as an example, add a new variant or tier of the assault suit, that is unlocked by the same skill. I dearly hope that this is the plan after the final respec. Drop it like its hat.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:51:00 - [997] - Quote That would be AWESOME. Add it for rifles for example: Burst Fire Proficiency, maybe even unlock attachments that way down the extremely long road. And by attachments I don't mean underbarrel grenade launchers, but different sights, maybe even different ARs themselves. It would be cool if you unlock the broad category, AR, and can use the ones we have currently, but to use more extensive ones, you have to travel into specifics. Say Auto, Burst, Semi Auto? Oops, straying away from a Respec topic. Sorry! IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1644	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:54:00 - [998] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: That would be AWESOME. Add it for rifles for example: Burst Fire Proficiency, maybe even unlock attachments that way down the extremely long road. And by attachments I don't mean underbarrel grenade launchers, but different sights, maybe even different ARs themselves. It would be cool if you unlock the broad category, AR, and can use the ones we have currently, but to use more extensive ones, you have to travel into specifics. Say Auto, Burst, Semi Auto? Oops, straying away from a Respec topic. Sorry! QFT. I so want a pistol with a laser sight. Be able to reload EMP rounds into a combat rifle, just like in EVE, depending on the combat situation. Imagine a combat rifle with exploding EMP rounds for equipment clearing. Oh my god! Drop it like its hat.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:58:00 - [999] - Quote Quote: QFT. I so want a pistol with a laser sight. Be able to reload EMP rounds into a combat rifle, just like in EVE, depending on the combat situation. Imagine a combat rifle with exploding EMP rounds for equipment clearing. Oh my god![/quote] Can this happen please?! At the very least for a Mass Driver, loading in smoke grenades, fluxes, and normal HEOP. Sniper Rifles with tracking rounds that do little damage, but highlight enemy players for your squad. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 272	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:29:00 - [1000] - Quote Not sure there is a discussion for this. It's pretty clear that a respec is in order. Maybe some of you out there are some communists or something, but here in America (the internet belongs to America by the way), we believe in making informed decisions. We've specced into different crap because not all of the crap was here, but now we have a lot more crap and don't necessarily want to make the grind to get it all when it was what we wanted in the first place. It isn't our fault that CCP didn't give us a finished product. Why should our points be set in stone when nothing in this bass ackwards game is? tl;dr Respec or gtfo CCP "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12161	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:46:00 - [1001] - Quote Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1592	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:49:00 - [1002] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12161	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:51:00 - [1003] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1941	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:56:00 - [1004] - Quote I wonder if that also means we might get a full weaponry respec after all racial wapons are released. There are currently a lot of racial heavy weapons missing. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1592	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:57:00 - [1005] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Really, they give you a respec and it's not enough? You're reaction may be tame but I'm waiting for all the butthurt from people who expected more. Shields and armor trees are like 4 mil a piece, only about 1mil to use complex if you use LP modules. There's a freaking potential 2 mil extra SP over this weekend. People just can't be satisfied with anything. This is exactly why I was against respecs in the first place, people will still have an excuse to be pissed. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12161	Posted - 2014.03.12 15:59:00 - [1006] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropsuit Command is all that's being refunded. That a way to reward vets who made mistakes and make everyone else deal with it. Have fun switching to shield tanking from armor tanking and wasting all that SP. Have fun running equipment that doesn't fit your new suit bonuses logi's, guess you just have to deal with it. DUST 514, where CCPs decisions matter At least you got a refund on something. I'd rather I didn't. Now top end players can get back wasted FoTM SP and focus on a single suit, yet mid range and newer players who want to switch to a different kind of tank just have to waste that SP. Hell, even vets who want to switch have wasted SP now. That's fine, just don't come at me with your choices matter, when they don't, because only a terribad would skill armor when they use shields, or vice versa Really, they give you a respec and it's not enough? You're reaction may be tame but I'm waiting for all the butthurt from people who expected more. Shields and armor trees are like 4 mil a piece, only about 1mil to use complex if you use LP modules. There's a freaking potential 2 mil extra SP over this weekend. People just can't be satisfied with anything. This is exactly why I was against respecs in the first place, people will still have an excuse to be pissed. You're missing the point. My choices are supposed to matter. Why, on Gods green earth, would I CHOOSE to skill into Armor, if my suit is shield based? Why is it ok to now have X amount of SP forever tied up in something that I may never ever use? That isn't my choice, it's CCPs, period. Oh wait, no. Now you're going to tell me I should have run starter fits for the past year, or skilled into some other random suit while I wait to play the basic material that was backlogged thanks to CCP having to scrap their initial engine and start from scratch. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2349	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:07:00 - [1007] - Quote Nobody is ever happy. Well, I am, at least I won't have to read respec speculation threads all day anymore. Look at it this way, at least the core skills give you some passive bonuses. It's not completely wasted SP. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1594	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:07:00 - [1008] - Quote POST #1000 Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2349	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:10:00 - [1009] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: POST #1000 Damn! Didn't notice that, I should have waited! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1222	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:18:00 - [1010] - Quote Congratulations for 51 pages and your dropsuit command respec. See y'all before the medium slot rebalance A.K.A next patch. 1002nd!!! You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 370	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:27:00 - [1011] - Quote COMMAND ONLY Like really?! Thanks to our asociatives in CPM we have just command only, even if PURE MAJORITY here asked for FULL one. Oki CCP you customer support is fine, but everything else is just rubish withou any kind of listening to community. Congratz. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12164	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:27:00 - [1012] - Quote This was the real reason for this thread to exist haha ^_^ Not for us to discuss, but for CCP to have an excuse to shut us up once they announced this. Clever. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2926	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:28:00 - [1013] - Quote lolcpm Intelligence is OP
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:32:00 - [1014] - Quote AWSOME CCP and the CPM Respec in the DP comand is great. I can live with my guns and equipment even if I wanted a full respec. It's a realy nice compromise guys I comend you for it Regards War never changes
PEW JACKSON Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 231	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:39:00 - [1015] - Quote Yep awesome stuff.... All the heavy weapons I'll never use again sure are useful. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12171	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:43:00 - [1016] - Quote So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? This is a containment thread and nothing more. This is Level R Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1222	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:47:00 - [1017] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 370	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:47:00 - [1018] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: AWSOME CCP and the CPM Respec in the DP comand is great. I can live with my guns and equipment even if I wanted a full respec. It's a realy nice compromise guys I comend you for it Regards Nope its not, we wanted pie, ot just its cut. Honestly is community want full, why they gave a part. This is nothing else than another setback. Whole thread and whole community discussion and just for this. I taking this like insult, pricipe was broken again. Community wanted more than only this. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12171	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:48:00 - [1019] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. So why create a DISCUSSION thread for something that was already decided, and therefore had no business being discussed? That's straight up insulting. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1222	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:52:00 - [1020] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So, either CPM was lying to us about being near unanimous on a full infantry respec, or they were completely powerless on this issue. CCP needs to just release a statement saying there will be no respecs, period. Why insult us by giving us a place to "discuss" something that had clearly already been decided, with no intent to actually discuss? "No respecs" has been CCPs default position since... forever and you know that. So why create a DISCUSSION thread for something that was already decided, and therefore had no business being discussed? That's straight up insulting. Because some individuals chose to spam the fora with all the same threads to the point where no discussion could be had on anything. Would you rather they perma banned users? Because that's the only alternative, given the behavior of some that's, again, on display this very moment. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...



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