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TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2828	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:24:00 - [931] - Quote Glad I got that copied and pasted as my separate thread was locked even though I am giving you tough love now. I don't expect you to like it. o7. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 321	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:49:00 - [932] - Quote My personal thoughts on respec You are adding the suit I've been waiting since chromosome for(min heavy) I would like a respec so I can be what I've wanted to be since "release"(the reason for quotes is this game was NOT ready for release especially since we didn't have racial variants of all suits) thus why I want my drop suit command refunded Since the min heavy is shield tank not an armor tank like the current amarr heavy....I have very little sp in shields as they weren't a nesesity......thus why I want my dropsuit upgrades refunded I want weaponry back because not only are you nerfing all the rifles you are buffing my weapon of choice back to its former glory(lr)[hopefully]GÇªGÇªGÇª IMHO respec should be available for purchase but make them quite expensive.....for both isk and aur Make them only useable once per year the timer resets at fan fest....kinda like a new years present for us dusters If they are useable multiple times then they should have a negative effect on your total sp amount Like using the respec twice a year would decrease your total sp by 20% Real heavies use lasers
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3371	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:11:00 - [933] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. That this thread even needs to exist is evidence enough that CCP should know what it has to do. No.
Jin no kami Valor Coalition 28	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:43:00 - [934] - Quote Its official no respec with the million clone challenge =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1574	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:09:00 - [935] - Quote The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 684	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:16:00 - [936] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1575	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:22:00 - [937] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 393	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:28:00 - [938] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Oh man was not to type in here again You are kidding me right ? Only adding ! Yeah you must be kidding me I better go and break my fingers so I can't type anything that will get me banned 4 life War never changes
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 147	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:45:00 - [939] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more when all the content is complete. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. Those asking for respecs, you need to understand, the only reasons why CCP would ever give an SP refund would be because they changed the tree or removed a skill. Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Respecs require a lot of work on their part and the only thing they gain is making players a bit happier..... for a week or two, and then people just demand another. Always assume they won't giving a respec, be happy when they do, but if you can't handle not having one..... thank you for visiting New Eden, the exit door's over there. I won't go into it any further because I've stated my case over a dozen times already on this thread. Incorrect. 1.8 is the biggest thing we had added to Dust in Uprising yet. We are getting around SIX new DROPSUITS, 3 new guns, buffs and nerfs, as well as who knows what else? How is that not large? YOU CANNOT GET ANY LARGER than that. And the grind is still prevalent. If I shuffle around my 13 million SP, then some things will be unlocked, others not specced into. I will then have to go back into what I have now and unlock it, if I so CHOOSE. All we as players are asking for is a choice to have the suits that we've wanted. Nerfing a gun is almost the same as removing it. By lowering the damage, we are not getting the product we wanted. It's OP? Should have had that ironed out before you released it. The playerbase knows we're guinea pigs, but really? You can't use that reason for a not giving us a respec. And as I've previously stated, CCP can use the reason: " We just gave you a reason, not our fault you shot yourselves in the foot again" to justify not giving into us after the two weeks you said. We have gone almost a full year without one. Much has changed, much is being added. This thread is designed to discuss a respec, so please don't leave. If there is a flaw in anything I just stated, tell me. I feel very strongly about getting a respec. NUMEROUS HOURS OF GRIND spent on this game, no passive SP boosters. Grinding all day even after my bonus SP is gone. I love Dust. Is it truly too much to ask that I don't want to wait months to experience all it has to offer? Cause if it is then wow... Just my thoughts. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just respectfully disagree. Have a good day all. IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 27	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:59:00 - [940] - Quote with that million clone challenge that their way of saying no respec I may be wrong though I hope I am HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!! For FREEDOM!!!!!!

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1577	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:38:00 - [941] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The only time CCP even hinted there might be another respec was at EVE Vegas. They said if they did they'd only do one more. 1.8 isn't a big enough change to warrant it, and all the SP events since their announcements indicate that they'd rather just give us more SP than a respec. The upcoming changes that will it with 1.8 are quite comparable to those that arrived with 1.7 for vehicles. In 1.7 the changes justified a respec so basicly a respec is justified with 1.8 as well. No they aren't. In 1.7 they completely redid the vehicle trees, removed modules, removed vehicles, and changed the costs of vehicles. 1.8 is ADDING suits and weapons, and changing stats and bonuses. The tree is only getting additions. Oh man was not to type in here again You are kidding me right ? Only adding ! Yeah you must be kidding me I better go and break my fingers so I can't type anything that will get me banned 4 life I don't understand you just repeated what I said without telling me what they are removing from the skill tree. This is all in relation to the skill tree, not the skills themselves. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Murt Lesp Hydra's Wraiths 17	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:14:00 - [942] - Quote I believe they'll do what they did for vehicles: a partial respec. You'll get your dropsuit command reimbursed and you'll have what you spent to spend again. Weapons and modules won't be affected though. Hopefully they'll go to a tree that starts as medium then assault and logi, THEN racial bonuses same with heavy and light suits.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12093	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:24:00 - [943] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Not saying I would uninstall, though I will certainly be taking a break if they stonewall us on this issue. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
jerrmy12 kahoalii Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 426	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:26:00 - [944] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Oooh ****, burned. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 679	Posted - 2014.03.10 21:44:00 - [945] - Quote Meah...just give them the respec. There is nothing to lose at this point. Just make it the respec to end all (free) respecs. Granted the bulk of Heavy Weapons are not in the game but it is not a perfect universe. With all racial dropsuits coming the bonus overhaul it seems fair to those enduring this game for a chance to try and get it right. However, I would say in no uncertain terms that this is "it". No more free respecs after 1.8. And then introduce an AUR based respec available once every 12 months. Something has to pay for better development resources. Player tears are not keeping the lights on. Personally, only thing I would do different is not taking Minmatar Basic Medium Frames to level 5 (since it is not longer required). Sure I can find something to spend that SP on.
KGB Sleep 826	Posted - 2014.03.11 01:09:00 - [946] - Quote Does anyone think the million clone event is a "no on respec" from CCP? Makes sense to me, they wouldn't hand out SP right before 1.8 if they were getting ready to reimburse everyone. Because beer, that's why.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1241	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:28:00 - [947] - Quote patch notes confirmed for the 18th. they cant hold back the announcement of weather or not we get any SP back after that so thats the date we will obviously find out.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 322	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:53:00 - [948] - Quote Whole respec. Basicaly i was, like many many boyos here pushed to make something temporary and now i have a chance to put SP to proper suit. If i want to make my "final" suit i need to respec point in skill, what are obsolete for me and i will not use them anymore. There is basicaly no other chance and honestly if respec will not come, iam prepared to leave game finaly and forever. There will be Destiny, where my clan will migrate, on autumn and basicaly from this clan im already in dust alone. Whats mean no strings here. It sad, i saw DUST like son of MAG, but it was terible mistake. Mag was one and only proper MASSIVE game in this genre and i love it, sadly dust is not like that and never was. There was time, chromo time, but from that time game itself went flater and flater, no canyon anymore No place for tactical thinking, just buy the best weapon, with best suit and best hardened wehicle and you win. I was in army and its not working like this, never. I know many of boyos here can tell me:"This is not real world and its just a game.", but hell game should be fun and right now its fun for just sort of people. Look on this thread and on threads before, there is already community in dust community who is for respec. Other side just didnt gave us (community for respec) any reason, why respec shouldnt be here. I know there were respecs and i plead for them, but i didnt received any of them, just the vehicle i pressume. That was reason why i started once again and once again. But this isnt about me only, i tell you what i see in dust already. In dust i see many potential, but really c.r.a.p.y. core mechnics, mediocre playability and TOOOO MANY broken promises. What i dont like is lying, there is too many lies in game what basicaly already make me negative, when i start play. That negativness is with me everytime, when CCP announce something. I dont know if thats because Iam ASPI, but its really really f.cu..ed up. Another nail to DUST coffin i can imagine, than another missleading by CCP and this thread, where they basicaly dont say/answer anything from it foundation. For me Respec can revive already really divided game, it can bring back people and show them respect by ccp for time, what they spent with and for it. But for now i feeling whole this just like trolling by their side. I think this is all. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2058	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:34:00 - [949] - Quote face it: there are hundreds of players who would come back with a respec, and with a playbase of 2k-4k online at any time, it can use every player it can get. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1578	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:38:00 - [950] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Grind is how this F2P game makes money and a respec will eliminate that grind. Insulting your customers and forcing them to deal with your backlogged mistakes is an excellent way to eliminate grind. Uninstalls do that. Not saying I would uninstall, though I will certainly be taking a break if they stonewall us on this issue. Like a respec will fix their problems, it will just hold people off until the next build where they'll demand another respec. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 40	Posted - 2014.03.11 06:00:00 - [951] - Quote Why bother asking for a respec, they're either going to give one or not. Most likely they have already decided and don't care because for them its their job. Just like to you this is just another game. If there is no respec i'm simply giving up on dust for a year or so. Come back and see the developers trying to push the proverbial car out of the hole its been stuck in since they regressed the gameplay into Call of Dusties 514. Quit begging! stand up and either get what you want out of the game or move on. I really only stick around for the players at this time, the game is... sad... just sad and without the people i've met on here bringing me back well... my girlfriend is going to be a lot happier if we didn't get a respec... "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1610	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:21:00 - [952] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Okay, so lets take this discussion seriously and present some expected features of 1.8: - TTK will be tuned to be longer. => Dont know what skill tree this will affect, on an "abstract" level: all of them. - New racial content for infantry (heavies and scouts, yay!) => Approx 15-20% added SP sink to dropsuit skill tree. - Complete re-iteration of "old" dropsuit skill bonuses and stats => Change of 100% of current SP sink in dropsuit skill tree. - New weapons => Approx 10-15% more SP sink in weaponry skill tree. - Nerfs to "old" weapons, more specifically rifles => Rifles and SMG in weapon skill tree, estimated 30% of all weapons. - Weapon proficiency skill re-vamped to only affect armor or shield damage (depending on weapon) => Affects 100% of weaponry skill tree. - Over all equipment nerf => Various skills in dropsuit upgrades, estimated 15-20% of the SP sink affected. The points above have touched every infantry skill tree skill (dropsuit upgrades, weaponry and dropsuits). Is there really anything to discuss in this thread CCP? Quoting myself to update with the latest knowledge: CONFIRMED TTK will be tuned to be longer. CONFIRMED New racial content for infantry. CONFIRMED Complete re-iteration of "old" dropsuit skill bonuses (stats not revamped now). CONFIRMED New weapons. CONFIRMED, TTK fix Nerfs to "old" weapons, more specifically rifles. CONFIRMED, TTK fix Weapon proficiency skill re-vamped to only affect armor or shield damage. CONFIRMED Over all equipment nerf I have to say I am pretty good at guessing what will happen. What I did miss here was the infantry weapon damage mods being nerfed as well, and the grenade nerf. But I was right about everything else. It just adds to the SP-refund stew. So, in conclusion: - The infantry weaponry skill tree is affected by the weapon damage mod nerf, grenade nerf, proficiency nerf and weapon damage nerf. - The dropsuit command skill tree is completely changed, except for basic frames. - The dropsuit upgrades is staying the same, except for all the equipment nerfs. TL;DR Is there really anything to discuss in this thread CCP? Drop it like its hat.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 20	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:32:00 - [953] - Quote Positives for Respec: -Possible Player Base returning. -Allow people to play what they are comfortable with (suit/wep combo) and enjoy -Give people something new to spark their interests -Allow mistakes to be corrected to make a more competitive community -Fix the "Flavor of the Month" Nerfs -Fair treatment due to the Vehicle Respec Negatives of Respec: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) -Players will have to redo everything they know (people fear change) -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them There are many positives and negatives to a respec. I for one am for a respec however, it is not my decision to make just request. As a game developer they can't just throw respecs out everytime the community demands it. We all earned our SP and CHOSEto spend it, not CCP although they did chose to change said spent skills. Everyone that spent their SP did so full well and knowingly that this type of game has updates that can change the very fabric of its well being. I truly believe CCP will make the right decision but the people acting like children demanding crap before their birthday isn't going to help the situation. I understand that CCP is the supplier and we're the consumer and the supplier has to attempt to make the consumer happy but it's time for people to attempt to be respectful. That's all i gots to say about all this hoop-lah. There's a message in my Cheerios!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1612	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:39:00 - [954] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) ^ 20M+ SP players do already have several weapons and suits to run. They will only get marginally better than the guy with 5M SP that has to focus getting that first suit up and running with core skills. Linky: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147023&find=unread The argument above failed. Lunatic Kota wrote: -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them ^ Flavor of the month will happen, not because there is a respec, but because of CCPs slow updates to balance weapons and dropsuits. Even without a respec, many vets might already have the OP suit/weapon (OP stuff can be buffed items as well), or they saved 3-5M SP to spec into new stuff when the patch hits, because they already have so many weapons and suits. This argument also failed. That leaves you with 6 pro-¦s for and 1 con against a respec. Drop it like its hat.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 22	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:42:00 - [955] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: -Players with +20mil SP will become even more godly (spending all points to coincide with a more slaying role and advancement on the battlefield) ^ 20M+ SP players do already have several weapons and suits to run. They will only get marginally better than the guy with 5M SP that has to focus getting that first suit up and running with core skills. Linky: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147023&find=unread The argument above failed. Lunatic Kota wrote: -More "Flavor of the Month" Suit/Weapon combinations will arise and become nerfed and people will troll forums/battlegrounds with them ^ Flavor of the month will happen, not because there is a respec, but because of CCPs slow updates to balance weapons and dropsuits. Even without a respec, many vets might already have the OP suit/weapon (OP stuff can be buffed items as well), or they saved 3-5M SP to spec into new stuff when the patch hits, because they already have so many weapons and suits. This argument also failed. That leaves you with 6 pro-¦s for and 1 con against a respec. I was just trying to throw some random points together. I whole heartedly agree with you but my statements I suppose were very broad. There's a message in my Cheerios!
KGB Sleep 829	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:47:00 - [956] - Quote If a respec is implemented CCP should make it similar to the process used when biomassing a character. Button to select it on character screen, once initiated a series of messages explaining what a respec is and what will happen. After explanation a 24 / 48 hr timer activates. During this period it can be cancelled. Time expires, respec is performed, respec button greys out until reactivated by CCP. They could do blanket reactivation if needed or reactivate via ticket if circumstances required it. This way people have a choice. They can wait until they use up all of their purchased assets, they can choose not to respec ever, or they can have it immediately. I don't know if what I suggest is possible on CCP's end. It might be more difficult than that. Because beer, that's why.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 341	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:45:00 - [957] - Quote I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1614	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:47:00 - [958] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: I still dont know what is bad on respec, nobody told before anywhere. And i tell you, i will NO GRIND ONCE MORE from START, just because CCP is lazy. NO FULL RESPEC = DELETE OF DUST End of story. The players that are anti-respec are afraid that other players will be able to correct their builds and become better than them. I think more competition is just good for the game. Drop it like its hat.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 341	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:57:00 - [959] - Quote I know, dont tell me, but thats not a proper reason. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1615	Posted - 2014.03.11 12:01:00 - [960] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: I know, dont tell me, but thats not a proper reason. Some does not seem to understand that this is the only underlying anti respec argument. Like you said earlier, noone can motivate why we should not get a full infantry refund. The argument about living with our choices is void and null when now that we have more information about what is going to happen in 1.8 (like I posted earlier). Drop it like its hat.



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