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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.01 12:31:00 -
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Why is it people keep saying once this RESPEC occurs, people will cry for others? Just tell them no after this. Say you had your chance, you squandered it. Wait either another year, (assuming this happens yearly) or live with it. It's not like RESPEC threads haven't been around forever, but the fact is that so many people feel so strongly about this, and that we are giving more reasons than just, opps I got Dampening to Level 5, I meant Proto AR. That is BS, so they didn't get a respec. However in this, everyone wins. If you want to waste all your SP knowing your FOTM will be nerfed later, then there is no way lol that they will give you a nerf. By this point, you know at least one thing will be OP. If 1.8 is the Goldilock's patch of our dreams, then Kudos. Don't go straight proto if we get a Respec. Get something to Lvl 1, try it out with whatever you want. Like it? Great, you only put around 12,000 SP into it. Keep going. No likey at Lv3, leave, don't go Proto. The lack of Respecs has hopefully made people come to value them. The dumb will squander, the smart will keep it going, and slowly work towards their perfect merc. However, the smart mercs shouldn't be lumped with the dumb.
Taking other arguments into consideration, I do have to agree. If I want to Shield Tank my Proto Minmatar Assault, and use Dampening then I don't want any armor. However, I do see the counter-point that armor will be good if you go down the road. Still, it's the player's choice, and that is something is game is built on. You can't shake up the foundation and then tell us to suck it up, people will just leave. We like being as in control as possible, despite this apparently being a sandbox shooter.
Yes, this benefits mercs with higher SP...but doesn't everything. They are the one's who have played this game for Years, or taken a massive Haiatus. They are the one's who have gotten all that they want, so now they can always save up. Me, I'm Going all Core Dropsuit Upgrades at the moment. I don't have the luxury of saving up all my SP just to put it into a potential suit that may or may not be what I expect. If I were to get a Respec, I'd go All minmatar. Proto Logi and Assault, dabble in Commando or Heavy. However, I know far more now than I did when I joined last March. My suits that weren't there before are here now. I don't have to wear that Filthy Amarr vest any longer. People are saying well you didn't have to Spec into it.
What the hell was I suppose to spec into prey tell? Bricks? I wanted to be more own racial heavy, I had to use another race's. I am not blaming CCP for not having these suits earlier as other forces are at work here, but I do not want to use any more Amarr suits. Commando? Good bye.
We can argue days and weeks for this RESPEC, but this is the mother of all of them to date. If you do this now, you can stem the QQing by saying, "We gave you one. We won't give you one again." If you don't want anymore threads after this, then just say so. But please give us one now. The days are new, we have waited MONTHS for this update, and what better to do some spring cleaning (snow still on the ground yes I'm aware it's a figure of speech), than with a Respec?
All in all: Vets will always have the advantage, persistent respecs is not what we want, just this one, this Respec can be provided with closure, and you have almost 40 pages of a good 90% yes, with 5% just saying no, and the other 5 wanting a RESPEC, but understanding why one may hurt.
Thank you CCP for your consideration, but may you please grant us our wish?
I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
894
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Posted - 2014.03.01 12:44:00 -
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I dont know what I will do if we DO NOT get any sort of respec, I am already getting to the point where I dont play as much.
This is just my opinion but I do get the feeling if no sort of respecs are given out with the sweeping changes coming in 1.8 - I feel many players will stop playing and ultimately leave the game.
On the other hand if we do get some sort of respec I feel that would even bring people back to the game. If 1.8 is a good solid patch with no bugs then people might even stick around.
We keep hearing talk about how CCP Rouge is taking DUST to great new heights - well lets start to see this then because right now it is just more words.
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
25
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Posted - 2014.03.01 14:34:00 -
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Most the people playing this game aren't going anywhere anyway so no respec means more =ƒÿó on forums.if they didn't give respec I would let passive stack till next significant build =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖç |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
26
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:41:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some.
I suppose it never occurred to you that not everyone has enough SP to just save? Some of us still have gear central to our build that we're trying to obtain. A build whose role is changing drastically in 1.8.
A SP refund of the top three meta-trees is the only reasonable solution. |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
632
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:09:00 -
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Any more discussion at this point has no reason, at least in regards to it's ability to affect the outcome. I haven't heard of an argument for or against that was new or different than all the others. Arguments basically come out like this:
In Favor: "The choice I made with my character were either not be a Heavy or be an Amarr Heavy. A refund would actually give me a choice like the Assault and Logistics players have had for 10 months", "Not doing is an insult to the players considering full racial parity should have been in the game nearly a year ago", and "Vehicle users got to reassign their points when there was an upheaval; we believe the addition of 8 dropsuits when there were only 12 before to be a major upheaval."
Dissenting: "People should accept where they put in their SP even if it wasn't ideal", "There has been enough time to save SP to skill into the new stuff", or "this is a slippery slope; based of this, a respec would be demanded when new content comes out."
CCP knows that the community is highly in favor of a Refund/Respec and the CPM are apparently in favor of it to. I am sure that they know all the arguments we have come up with on whatever side of the aisle we sit. It is a complex issue that goes into how CCP can react to a less than ideal situation where everyone is being vocal. It is nice that CCP hasn't just made a blanket statement in the regards of "we said no more respecs out of beta unless it was necessary because of removal and jumbling of skills" because this was a situation created by not having the content the game should have had on release.
I can certainly understand the anxiety everyone is feeling. I really want to see what comes of this whole ordeal and get a full on look at 1.8. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1704
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Posted - 2014.03.01 17:49:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules.
Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. So tired of this topic. But he's one more opinion for the record.
Context: I'm old school EVE. In fact my belief has always been that EVE is too dumbed down an has not been properly designed to induce rage, despair, abject fear and maniacal laughter. EVE has been pussified for marketing reasons.
If i had my way, nobody would play EVE except for me and people i feared automatically because they were capable of playing EVE, both intellectually and psychologically. Ofc, the peeps who fall into that category are very few in number, and CCP needs to eat.
That's where i'm coming from. In DUST when i worry about pubstomping, i'm really worrying on CCP's behalf about playerbase and market share and the success of DUST so that it can grow New Eden into what it should be. My personal opinion is that pubstomping hasn't even happened yet, and any player who cannot survive and prosper in our current environment has failed as a human being at a fundamental level and should be eaten and forgotten forever.
I hope i've made clear my personal interpretation of what New Eden should be.
Wrt respecs in DUST- i've built my character around core skills, and don't need or care about a respec as it makes little difference to me at this point. But here's the punchline, and it's very simple.....
So much has changed regarding both items(suits, weapons, equipment, vehicles) and, probably more importantly, roles, that a respec/refund is warranted. What it says to the players is...
'We know we've made a hard game and demanded a lot of your personal time invested into the grind, and we acknowledge we are changing the game right under your feet. We are grateful for your patronage and respect your time. We feel that although this is a special case, a total refund of sp is warranted.'
And i hate that you've put us in the position where i have to give up my hardcore values and actually say something like that, CCP. In terms of how you've handled this game, you're a clown.
I support SP rollover.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1168
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:43:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:as dust fiend said:[...] I respect DUST Fiends integrity, honesty and passion on this matter too much to let this slip.
You do not share DUST Fiends position on this subject.
He is saying that a persistent skill tree is not working properly with the current state of development. He made clear more than once that, once we reach a stable game that allows for meaningful long term decisions, respec supporters can, and i quote:
Your statement:
ANON Illuminati wrote:[...]theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader.[...]
Argues for a refund of skills for the sole reason of not being used anymore. It is opposed to a persistent skill system by default. You use DUST Fiends reasoning to support a position that hugely differs from what he, or any 1.8 respec supporter, is actually arguing for.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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jaksol returns
DETHDEALERS Galactic Skyfleet Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:21:00 -
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my resons for the the respect is that once the gallente heavy comes out i am going to want to go into it but I cant do it if all my sp is tied up in assault and logi skills when Iv been waited a long time for the gellente heavy. |
logan turnbull
Storm Ventures For All Mankind
0
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:51:00 -
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ccp needs to respect the whole dropsuit skill tree and refund any isk or arum spent, just as they did with the tanks, seems fair to me ,and I have been playing since april of 2013, not that long but long enough.
long range killing ,while having eyes on objectives and providing squad support.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1770
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:18:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:What it boils down to is this: If CCP feels it's alright to withhold basic content, as well as randomly switch around the roles and usefulness of things we've long since spec'd into, then it only seems reasonable to allow players to use their accumulated SP how they want when the backlogged content is released, and major changes are made. For me, it's a business decision. Do I want to support a company that takes my money, then alters the product I pay for? Or do I stay with a company that takes my money, and honors that investment when they alter what I purchased? Worst case, no respec and I take a few months away from DUST. It doesn't bother me, I barely even play anymore as is. For me, this entire thing is about principle and little more. For now, I'm done with this "topic" Lord Neckbeard awaits.
we are on page 37. if we make 50 pages, i want $10... paid in aurum
Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
351
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Posted - 2014.03.02 08:53:00 -
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Wow still no response from CCP
If tankers did get a sp respec wy can't infentry get it. After al 1,8 is bringing on changes that are just as big for infantry that 1,7 was for tanks.
I am TOTALY against a full respec but the dropsuit comand should atlest be refunded. And I am TOTALY against that tankers should get one more respec in 1,8 ( if we are talkig total respec )
I can live with no respec with guns and equipment however I belive they should also be refunded sence they are geting a total overhaul and benefits from different suits.
But the biggest resone for a respec is respect to the players and the time they have invested to different roles that over one patch will be made obselete. It's not just adjusting numbers it's taking away bunuses and giving them to others suits etc.
Regards
War never changes
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1508
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Posted - 2014.03.02 09:30:00 -
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Kairos Nitak wrote:I just want to throw my two cents into the mix.
I sit on the fence on the respec issue, but i lean somewhat towards supporting a limited respec.
Not for my own selfish wants. I would be fine and happy with my choices even though some of the changes wouldn't exactly favour my play style, but they wouldn't change the role of my suit so drastically as to make me change my mind. However I know there are certain people out there who deserve a respec, namely the Heavies who have devoted countless hours and SP to a heavy suit that they chose out of necessity rather than a premeditated decision. I have somewhere around 17mill SP invested in a few different roles, specificly Gal Assault and Logi, but I like to dabble in other roles including Heavy suites (especially recently due to the awesome event you are currently putting on).
I personally think the respec should be limited to the Heavy and Scout suit trees. These roles are most effected by the coming changes and deserve the choice they should have been presented with in the first place. I don't think the other suits are changing drastically enough to warrant a respec. For the most part, the suits still cater to a specific play style which isn't being altered to a large degree in the coming update. If you are an armour tanking kind of person you will still want to stick with Gallente. If you are more of a hide and go shield-regen kinda player than you will stick with Caldari.
Dropsuit Upgrades on the other hand will (for the most part) benefit anyone no matter the role they chose. Even if you are changing from a Armour tank to shield, it doesn't hurt having the choice to use armour in the future. As for the other upgrades, unless you're completely altering the way you will play the game, from electronics to equipment these skills will always come in handy. Therefore I believe they should be left alone.
Weapons should not be touched either (except for heavy weapons if you are adding the new racial heavy weapons). There is not enough benefit to matching racial suits to weapons to warrant a change. The way I see it, if you are a lover of the CR, you are not going to switch to an AR just for a slightly faster reload speed (unless you over nerf some of the weapons). Besides, it only take like 600k sp to proto a weapon anyway. If you really want to change then save up for a couple weeks!
Not here to push any buttons, just wanted to share my two cents with CCP.
Cheers
*Slow Clap*, this is as far as I'll support a respec in 1.8 and these are some very good points as to why.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Storm Shelton
0uter.Heaven
106
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Posted - 2014.03.02 10:10:00 -
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I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners)
It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. *smh*
But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I
But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR.
I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>*smh*
You don't know my life! You don't know how many nanites to put in my cereal!
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Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
139
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Posted - 2014.03.02 22:48:00 -
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F*ck it, I'm bringing the M.O.A.B.
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0.
Yea that old.
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.03 03:55:00 -
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no respec confirmed link
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Brian LaFleur
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
13
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Posted - 2014.03.03 03:58:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:
=ƒÿÆ it didn't say that in any way, shape, or form.
Petals within petals, tadpole;
The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
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Brian LaFleur
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
13
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Posted - 2014.03.03 04:21:00 -
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CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/?
Petals within petals, tadpole;
The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
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Vakki Yuki
Eastern Aexun Society
12
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Posted - 2014.03.03 04:41:00 -
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Brian LaFleur wrote:CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/?
Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are.
Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith.
Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored.
Specialization in improvisation.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1794
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Posted - 2014.03.03 04:52:00 -
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If you want my advice on how to run it then you should start running starter fits now and keep running starter fits till about two or three weeks after the patch is released and in the wild. By that time the notes don't really matter and the nerf/buff cycles will have started. I am going to wait till then to start trying to figure out my fits. It took nine months to get where we are now so don't fool yourself into thinking it may be different this time. I will read the notes the day they come out but I don't even consider them to correct at all, again just speaking from track record. I enjoy CCP games but we have to be honest but they do things differently.
I don't get too wound up about things that they say they want to release because they think big and take risks and sometimes it makes them look inept or like they don't listen. With big risks come big rewards and that is how they do it. I am telling you that if you don't care about what is coming up then it is hard to be disappointed when it is all borked up. This is a long haul, slow burn game and you have to be ready for it and the bumps that come with it. If it was COD or any other traditionally released game I would completely understand the need for quicker announcements and tweaks. Don't expect them to deviate from their track record.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1794
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Posted - 2014.03.03 04:55:00 -
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Vakki Yuki wrote:Brian LaFleur wrote:CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored.
Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok.
Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
140
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Posted - 2014.03.03 06:19:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Vakki Yuki wrote:Brian LaFleur wrote:CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain.
Can I have a Snickers instead?
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0.
Yea that old.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1797
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Posted - 2014.03.03 06:27:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Vakki Yuki wrote:Brian LaFleur wrote:CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. Can I have a Snickers instead?
Matrix reference but sure as long as you eat it with a knife and fork.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Banjo Robertson
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
82
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:06:00 -
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full respec, why not. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
11904
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:07:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dj grammer wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Vakki Yuki wrote:Brian LaFleur wrote:CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. Can I have a Snickers instead? Matrix reference but sure as long as you eat it with a knife and fork. I'd prefer to use a spoon
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RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
527
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:21:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Vakki Yuki wrote:Brian LaFleur wrote:CCP, please explain the decision making process the Dev team goes through. We've been waiting on some word but we don't get any. This is why there are multiple threads on the subject because it seems to be the only way to get a response from you. Maybe a reddit thread? Or 4chan /b/? Just a theory, but it's possible that the respec has been confirmed on the inside, but devs are not allowed to comment yet for fear that people might go bonkers with their skills and suits more than they already are. Either way, I think I speak for us all when I say please tell us something. Anything. Tell us it's still unconfirmed. At least we'll know. Consider it a show of good faith. Tell us the cow jumped over the moon, at least we'll know we're not being blatantly ignored. Don't let the bunnies out of the bag because we multiply fast. Let them work, it will be ok. Here take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it you'll feel right as rain. I see what you did there. Or did I?
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1513
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:48:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners)
It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. *smh*
But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I
But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR.
I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>*smh*
Support Lgosi's were screwed the second they gave us more CPU/PG and slots than any other suit, in a game where mods make a suit.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:23:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Storm Shelton wrote:I'm just tired of having to change my ck.0 Logistics fit. I've had to re-fit many times due to CCP nerfing this and buffing that. I just wanna be a ck.0 bro... :( I just wanna rep, rez, dish out hives & uplinks. (Screw scanners)
It seems like I can actually only enjoy playing the game for a few months at a time. I get my suit fixed and then another patch comes along that completely destroys my balance. I redesign a likable fit, And then the vicious circle repeats. *smh*
But you know how we Caldari peeps are: We love that Nerfbat! (HIT ME AGAIN!!!) >:I
But if I did get a respec, I think I would stay at ck.0. I already have 3 million SP ready to go for 1.8. I'm interested about Caldari Scouts, But that is all. All my equipment/armor/shields are at 5, except for scanners. Core upgrades are done except some bio stuff, So there is really nothing left for me to improve my Logi equipment. Cloaks seem interesting as well and makes me feel like I'll have a Nanosuit from Crysis. For a weapons respec, I would get out of AR completely and finish up CR.
I have carefully placed each point into things that reflect the improvement of actions I take in-game. Respec or not, CCP, You are still killing me with Logistics nerfs. No matter what, I know I'll have CCP to remind me that every SP investment is great now, Sucks later and I am always.... always, always, always.... WRONG>Redo>Refit>*smh* Support Lgosi's were screwed the second they gave us more CPU/PG and slots than any other suit, in a game where mods make a suit.
The truth will out. The logi and assault suit should be almost the same in every way except bonuses and equipment slots so yes they shot themselves in the foot by trying to create a logi class with a suit that is better than any other. I believe it was short sightedness and lack of experience both of which can be fixed.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.03 22:02:00 -
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Respec because this game is about choice. We have no choice in all these changes, even if they are beneficial, but a Respec will allow us to choose how we handle this new update. I want to be able to choose armor plates Lvl 5 over Lvl Shields, not hope I'll need it down the road. That's a million SP lost too me, and others. I've posted so many times on this topic, not that anyone cares, but to me it shows that others do also. Some keep bumping this, making this thread longer and longer. And we still post! No word from a dev and we continue to post! We care CCP, but it is obviously starting to get on people that you don't seem to. Now like some one said, perhaps you don't want us to go crazy with news. But please, we need something. There is only so many reasons we can give and recite for a Respec. You know what we want for the most part:
Full because bonuses are being taken, changed, etc. Dropsuit Upgrades because I don't want Lvl 5 Armor on my Proto Sentinel (Assuming I had one, I don't), if I'm going into Caldari Heavy. Weapons for Racial Parity, and we have all tried out weapons by now. We have stuck with weapons and mistakes for MONTHS. A Respec is a thank you for sticking with these mistakes, and for continuing to play this game.
Reason for Full: Vehicles got Respec, we can't Infantry?
It is on Good faith. Many regret their "Wasted" (I say this in quotes because AV is still very viable, people just don't like the team coordination that goes into taken down vehicles these days) AV Sp, and would prefer it elsewhere
Many tonnes of stuff.
Reasons against:
Goes against Lore. I say that Dust is different from EVE. We are not Capsuleers to my knowledge. We are a clone, placed in bodies that can operate outside of our Pods. We are the evolution. We can get a mind-wipe, just like how somone people get ammesia. But oh wait, here in the future we can now control what we remember? The maturity of our brain allows us to remember all our experiences (SP), but what we can actually do can be realloted. Done...Respec
You live with your decisions. Cool, so I have to live with my decisions for the rest of my Dust Career? Really?! How does this help me? Yes, I'll unlock everything eventually, but it will go a lot quicker, and a lot more happily if I can get Lvl 5 in Scanners instead of B.S. Dropsuit Passive Scanning and Radius.
Many other reasons, all of which I respect and are good. However we should have a Respec. It should at least be something. I say this not as a warning, but as a prediction. We all just celebrated another Year of Dust since the Open Beta. No Respec, and many people will leave.
I don't want to sound like I'm making threats CCP. I love Dust. I just am curious if you give any care about us at all? If you're worried about a RESPEC rage after everyone screws up with 1.8, just say have a letter in the SP Page. Warn that this is perhaps the Last Respec that people will get for a LONG While, and that you will be ignoring all Respec Requests. Problem solved, at least until you nerf something.
Just keep bumping this thread my fellow mercs. We get this bad boy to 40 pages and we may be onto something. 07, and be safe. 5-0 out
I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
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major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:22:00 -
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essentially we're still on beta, so i think the only sensible way forward is to liquidate sp for the full compliment of suits or be stuck in a skewed eve universe e.g. where all heavies are amarr experts ... no respec makes no sense.
i think most who prefer no respec were just quite lucky ( or wise) in their original sp choices and are afraid they will loose some advantage. this has no place in the debate. me? im in the middle - happy with most of my investments, but after a suit shuffle, a respec is the only fair and rational way forwards. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:28:00 -
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When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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