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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:03:00 -
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Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense.
Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit.
Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles?
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1498
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:40:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense.
Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit.
Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles?
This is not a good reason for a respec. No one made you get something because what you wanted wasn't available. You still used what you skilled into and you can still use it whether you want it as much as the new thing. I wanted a Gallente sidearm but it wasn't available, I chose not to spec into any sidearm. Now I don't have SP in something I'd never use with added content. Added content is the worst excuse for a respec
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
276
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:54:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Dropsuit Command needs a refund for racial parity. Now we have all the suits we should have had in the first place, so this makes sense.
Dropsuit Upgrades needs a refund. If I'm going Caldari Sentinel, why do I need proto armor mods anymore? If I'm leaving the logi class, why do I need all those points in the equipment? That's points that would go toward upgrading my new suit.
Weapons needs a refund. Since certain suits are getting certain bonuses, then I need to move my SP into the racial weapon I'm getting a bonus in. If I'm going Gallente commando, why do I need points in Laser Rifles? This is not a good reason for a respec. No one made you get something because what you wanted wasn't available. You still used what you skilled into and you can still use it whether you want it as much as the new thing. I wanted a Gallente sidearm but it wasn't available, I chose not to spec into any sidearm. Now I don't have SP in something I'd never use with added content. Added content is the worst excuse for a respec
Why, he/she want have finaly his/her choosed suit. That is actually good reson for respec, finally play ROLE what is wanted.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1499
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
If CCP would just do slight balance passes, none of this would be an issue. But, they aren't. They're going on 2 years now of not knowing what they want from their game.
I agree. I've said countless times on the forums that the way they balance things is ridiculous, but a respec doesn't change that or solve the problem. EVE has gone through rebalances constantly, its part of the world and we all take the same risks when skilling into things. Afraid of the risk? Invest in core skill, save up SP, EVE players don't even have that option and they pay for all their SP. Why do so many feel entitled to dictate what CCP should do in a free to play game? They make their money off the grind, Aurum gear and boosters are how they keep the lights on. If it's too much for you leave. Life isn't fair, and half of what makes EVE and DUST interesting is that they aren't either.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1499
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:06:00 -
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Here let me try to make one last point. Would you rather have a respec for 1.8, or have one when every race has a heavy weapon, a vehicle, and a pilot suit?
I'd rather wait for them to have some semblence of balance in an unbalanceable game before they do something they said they'd only do one more time.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
277
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:24:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Here let me try to make one last point. Would you rather have a respec for 1.8, or have one when every race has a heavy weapon, a vehicle, and a pilot suit?
I'd rather wait for them to have some semblence of balance in an unbalanceable game before they do something they said they'd only do one more time.
And there is another contra by me.
If game will be finaly balanced and whole great.
Do you will want had spent SP in something in what you was pushed to choose, just because there wasnt your wanted suit and you tried to make something near to what did you want?!
I know my english is pretty crappy, let me tried that again.
If you will be heavy, now only possible way spec in to Amarian one.
And CCP arived with for example Gallentean Heavy what you wanted before.
Do you really just left spent SPs in suit what you will never use again?!
Because if it will be about me, no i will not leave any skill in something in what i was pushed to spent before, if there is possibility to put that in role what i wanted from day one in DUST.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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ANON Illuminati
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
569
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:06:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation.
theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader.
its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful.
I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this.
ummmmmm
Huh?
how long have u been playing? obviously not long enough.
I Sware It Wasnt Me
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11854
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:01:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote: If it's too much for you leave.
DUST has basically nothing but bad reviews for a reason.
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
810
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:12:00 -
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The people arguing against a single respec when 1.8 comes are saying it likr we're going to get respecs every month, and how it devalues SP decisions and such.
A SINGLE respec doesn't devalue our decisions. Taking our ferrari and making it an airplane does. It's still cool, it's worth the same amount of money, but it does 2 completely different things.
One (1) respec for the (hopefully) single time they completely change every suit on some of the most fundamental levels.
I they do another complete overhaul that makes scouts the dedicated uplink runners and Logis don't need equipment because they ARE the equipment(think AoE buffs, like 4.5% ammo resupplied to allies per level) then that would warrant a respec, as logis have no need for equipment skills and scouts have a new fundamental need.
1.8 is making many heavies shield reliant. Many scouts are now more reliant on dampening(min scout now NEEDS lv5 dampening to dodge a lv3 gallogi(?)) many logis are now required to spec into things they may not hve previously specced into. What good is a minlogi specced into dampeners and biotics, who utilizes uplinks? What good is an amarr logi who shield tanks and uses rep tools? What about a Minmatar assault who uses Gallente weaponry, or a gallente (don't say they deserve it because of Fotm) using Rail Rifles to pay homage to their favorite build in EVE?
What of the current 'amarr' commandos who use Plasma Cannons and Assault Rifles? Combat rifle mass driver? Only those who currently use laser rifles and scrambler rifles will be unaffected. What of the people who were really smart and use multi-racial weapon sets? Some use Swarm/scrambler, others use Sniper rifle/AR.
They will be screwed over the most if they aren't given weapon refunds because they likely have 4 million SP into each weapon and are now going to be punished because of the lack of bonus to at least half their new build.
A 1.8 amarr commando will be better off using a Militia AR on their gal commando than a proto or advanced Scrambler. A caldari sentinel will be better off using a Standard RR or sniper than the Laser rifle.
In the near future we are expecting a Minmatar sniper rifle, do i expect a full respec when that happens? No, but a refund in sniper SP would be beneficial. Same for when the Amarr get a shotgun, or when the Caldari get a variant of the Mass Deover(missile rifle?) they will refund SP for that specific weapon and nothing else.
Add in MTaC? No tank refunds. Add in Fighters? No derpie refunds(maybe ads, but we'll have to discuss that when it happens.
As long as they add in new roles or weapon types with racial types at the same time or within an announced timframe(like "hey, we're releasing a marksman rifle for the Amarr, but the different tacials won't be out till later, and we aren't refunding SP when it does" would do the community wonders. I'm imagining they'll still whine, but much less so than if tey released the others later and gave no indications.)
Edit: when the different Racial turrets come in, i expect full turret refunds as well.
No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ
Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's.
No i don't buy AUR
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
3309
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:27:00 -
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+1 for having some SP stashed on the side for these situations.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1161
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:06:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation.
theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader.
its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful.
I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this. ummmmmm Huh? how long have u been playing? obviously not long enough. Since around August 2012. How is this relevant?
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1503
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:57:00 -
[702] - Quote
They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11864
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:31:00 -
[703] - Quote
Tallen Ellecon wrote:They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some.
This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over.
It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions.
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Tectonic Fusion
1151
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:42:00 -
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Hello. I want a Respec.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Tectonic Fusion
1151
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:43:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM.
I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in.
Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;).
If I want to be a Caldari scout or Caldari heavy, I won't need complex armor plates.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
502
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:46:00 -
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I was told I should leave this here....
@Logibro -
It's safe to assume the patch notes are right around the corner...I'm assuming next tuesday but won't hold my breath. Was wondering if/when we can expect a statement to be made about the possibility of a respec/refund?
Will the patch notes contain the announcement? Will there be a seperate announcement? Is it something we will know when the patch notes do get released?
Whether we do or don't it would be nice to know so we, as loyal mercs, can begin to theorycraft and plan our SP allocation accordingly.
Pro-fit Prophet
"Gimme yo lunch money"
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11867
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:49:00 -
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Honestly, more than anything, I think no respec would prove how pointless the CPM is.
They are almost unanimous on an SP refund, and this thread is more than proof enough that the majority of players would prefer this option. If CCP decides to ignore all that, then it's pretty clear that they have no desire to listen to us.
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1161
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Posted - 2014.03.01 03:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Honestly, more than anything, I think no respec would prove how pointless the CPM is.
They are almost unanimous on an SP refund, and this thread is more than proof enough that the majority of players would prefer this option. If CCP decides to ignore all that, then it's pretty clear that they have no desire to listen to us. An idea being popular does not necessarily mean that it's a good one. Those are two seperate things and CCP not going with a respec for 1.8, let alone some regular respec feature, is neither indicative of them not listening nor of the CPM being useless.
Whatever the case, it's their game. They will make a final decision at their own discretion and they're ones responsible for the outcome, whatever that may be.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1740
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Posted - 2014.03.01 03:45:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules.
Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it.
Signed
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11874
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:02:00 -
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I can feel that I have too much emotion over this subject, as it has been discussed quite often since beta.
I apologize to CCP and any players (Alldin, THE Robot Devil, Aikuchi, Blueberries) who I may have offended with my fairly accurate and scientifically produced retort.
I will now erase this thread from my memory, and leave you all to it. I can see that I will no longer be available for rational and useful discussion, and do not want to dilute what currently exists.
Thank you, and good day.
Videos / Fiction
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
100
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:31:00 -
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Well my respec petition thread got 28 signatures not including myself, so they have to have noticed that.
bamboo x (Federation Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle) you
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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:35:00 -
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Its pretty obvious that we aren't getting an infantry respec, the vehicle respec was announced well in advance of 1.7.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1162
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:36:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Well my respec petition thread got 28 signatures not including myself, so they have to have noticed that. Mine did not as well.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Brian LaFleur
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
11
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:39:00 -
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Rinzler XVIII wrote:Its pretty obvious that we aren't getting an infantry respec, the vehicle respec was announced well in advance of 1.7.
1.8 may well become the time I set the user free never to return to the digital realm of New Eden ..
I'm there, too. But here's what's gonna happen: CCP will give us a dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrade, and weapons respec if not a full respec. This is because this game already has low ratings among all the game review magazines because it's a mediocre game. They have a loyal fan base and the outcry from that base is heavily in favor of a respec. They could gamble with the attitude that they could feed us **** and we'd keep on eating it, but I highly doubt they'd want to further alienate an already discontent and dwindling fan base. The only reason I'm still playing is my corpmates. But when ESO releases, how quick and easy would it be to shelve Dust for another big title?
Petals within petals, tadpole;
The truth lies beneath an opulence of illusion.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:53:00 -
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I'd like to see:
1) The ability to reassign your faction.
2) A full infantry respec encompassing the Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrade, and weaponry skill trees.
3) A factional BPO exchange. For example, I have 7 dragonfly scout BPOs, yet run minmatar scout.
All of this is to the point of RP a particular faction. The broken up development of Dust 514 means that anyone who has put money into the game (thus supported it) from closed beta on, has a very piecemeal spending of points reflecting what has been available over the past year. Rightly so, as the players were actively beta testing the software. Even when uprising was launched, the beta testing has continued. Now that we are at a point where racial parity is nearly achieved, it would be nice to tighten up my character to the point it reflected the character I would like to RP/create. The same goes for BPOs. As I said above, I have 7 dragonfly scout BPOs from buying merc packs early on. I would like to exchange some of them for factional counterparts that hadn't been developed at the time.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1504
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Posted - 2014.03.01 06:41:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Marc Rime wrote:If you give in to the gimme-gimme-gimme the demands will never end. Whenever something is changed, re-balanced or added people will want to dump all their SP in the FOTM.
I for one have seen enough respec threads to last me a lifetime, please don't encourage them. Don't give in.
Though if there is a respec I'll happily take one, there's some SP rotting away in skills I don't need or want ;). If I want to be a Caldari scout or Caldari heavy, I won't need complex armor plates.
Oh how terrible, someone give this guy a full respec.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1504
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Posted - 2014.03.01 06:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:They told us more than 2 months before 1.8 what the changes would be. Since then there has been more than enough time AND an SP event to get the SP you'd need for a new suit and then some. This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over. It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions.
If it's not valuable,then why do you want them to give it back to you?
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Michael Pack
Metalites
6
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Posted - 2014.03.01 06:50:00 -
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I we don't get a respect I will leave Soon (tm). Sorry just had to say it!
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Kairos Nitak
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
13
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Posted - 2014.03.01 10:14:00 -
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I just want to throw my two cents into the mix.
I sit on the fence on the respec issue, but i lean somewhat towards supporting a limited respec.
Not for my own selfish wants. I would be fine and happy with my choices even though some of the changes wouldn't exactly favour my play style, but they wouldn't change the role of my suit so drastically as to make me change my mind. However I know there are certain people out there who deserve a respec, namely the Heavies who have devoted countless hours and SP to a heavy suit that they chose out of necessity rather than a premeditated decision. I have somewhere around 17mill SP invested in a few different roles, specificly Gal Assault and Logi, but I like to dabble in other roles including Heavy suites (especially recently due to the awesome event you are currently putting on).
I personally think the respec should be limited to the Heavy and Scout suit trees. These roles are most effected by the coming changes and deserve the choice they should have been presented with in the first place. I don't think the other suits are changing drastically enough to warrant a respec. For the most part, the suits still cater to a specific play style which isn't being altered to a large degree in the coming update. If you are an armour tanking kind of person you will still want to stick with Gallente. If you are more of a hide and go shield-regen kinda player than you will stick with Caldari.
Dropsuit Upgrades on the other hand will (for the most part) benefit anyone no matter the role they chose. Even if you are changing from a Armour tank to shield, it doesn't hurt having the choice to use armour in the future. As for the other upgrades, unless you're completely altering the way you will play the game, from electronics to equipment these skills will always come in handy. Therefore I believe they should be left alone.
Weapons should not be touched either (except for heavy weapons if you are adding the new racial heavy weapons).
There is not enough benefit to matching racial suits to weapons to warrant a change. The way I see it, if you are a lover of the CR, you are not going to switch to an AR just for a slightly faster reload speed (unless you over nerf some of the weapons). Besides, it only take like 600k sp to proto a weapon anyway. If you really want to change then save up for a couple weeks!
Not here to push any buttons, just wanted to share my two cents with CCP.
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ANON Illuminati
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
569
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Posted - 2014.03.01 10:18:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:i also think the sp for corp leadership should be returned if a person is no longer a leader of a corporation.
theres no reason for me to keep mine when im no longer a leader.
its sp a man like myself can indulge in and spend on something useful.
I wonder why you went through the effort to explain all the issues you feel the current system causes to justify changing it when right here you make obviously clear that you would disagree with a persistent skill tree even if every single one of your earlier concerns where assumed wrong or successfully adressed by CCP. You disagree with the skillsystem on the most fundamental level. Your earlier reasons stated are mere pretext in light of this. ummmmmm Huh? how long have u been playing? obviously not long enough. Since around August 2012. How is this relevant?
as dust fiend said:
This has nothing to do with getting new suits or weapons, and everything to do with allowing people to spend their earned SP in an environment that reflects the changes that they had NO say over.
It's about making SP valuable, instead of some laughable metric that has no relation to your decisions.
so yes its relevant you havent been in the game long enough to argue anything about right or wrong. ive been here thru the closed beta since day one. i am a vet and dealt with the bs this game has given time after time and there should be no reason why we shouldnt get one simply because ccp decideds to change stuff up.
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