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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1323
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Posted - 2014.03.04 02:20:00 -
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jaksol returns wrote:my resons for the the respect is that once the gallente heavy comes out i am going to want to go into it but I cant do it if all my sp is tied up in assault and logi skills when Iv been waited a long time for the gellente heavy.
if this were eve online they would give you all of the racial variants when the skill-tree became available. for instance: if I had destroyers 5 when the destroyers went racial, then I would receive every destroyer 5 and the skillpoints associated with it when those skills became available on patch day. no further skilling required, just log in and you're able to fly all 4 destroyers.
but I believe they'll refund dropsuit tree skillpoints and make you re-spend them to avoid giving away all those skillpoints so early on in the game. after all, they'd be giving away 7.5 million sp to everyone who had amarr sentinel 5. that would be a bold move on ccp's part. |
Rami Hamilo
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
41
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Posted - 2014.03.04 02:33:00 -
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I would love to have a respec, especially if my preferred play style will be ruined in the new update. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1109
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Posted - 2014.03.04 12:07:00 -
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Looking forward to the first big threadnaught when respecs don't happen, |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:28:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I wonder how many likes from the community logi bro will accumulate before we get a respec? 250? 400?
Logibros a noob.... Ever see him play?  My 10 yr old is better.... No likes for Logibro until he stops sucking at the game hes developing. ?.. |
Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
285
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:38:00 -
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Oki boyos and gals.
For some time (i pressume till 1.8) i go in to passive mode.
Im really sorry if someone from our community will be sad (maybe for my support of his idea or just for my roleplay here on forums), but i have some problems with spin of mine and i cant participate.
Sorry (but from other side, the game itself is in horible state and i pressume i' ll not lose anything).
Till that time seeya, maybe here, much possibly in TLoU multi (where im really big noob btw) or maybe after some time in DESTINY.
I pray for our full community RESPEC, i really think we can ACHIEVE this.
Till some time Good games and good fights.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:15:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it.
No ones saying they cant call it what they want, same as you can call your large c l I t a p e n I s, still you must sit to pee.... Samething here, ok they are calling it, a released version, but use some logic and commom sense and what is it? Yes a tiny tiny beta, like, your c l I t. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11924
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:29:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Looking forward to the first big threadnaught when respecs don't happen,
Most people who care enough about getting the respec would just quietly leave if denied one, so it may be a 3 page thread of 7 anti respec guys going back and forth before its locked and linked back to this thread
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
798
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:38:00 -
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Many of you may have seen some of my posts opposed to the proposed LOGI changes for 1.8 and I think it is easy enough to find them, so I will keep this short. I want to keep the built in armor repairer, that said the Minmatar Hacking bonus was why I got the skills for the suit in the first place. CCP thanks for figuring out, a year into the full release after telling us that No More Respecs are going to happen, what "appropriate bonuses" for LOGI are. This left everyone no choice but to skill FOTY.
From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. That sounds like all areas. Give us our SP back for all things Suit, Weapon, and Upgrade related. You have decided to change everything so it is time for a choice to be available. While you are at it you can also give us all the isk we have spent on assets back to cover our losses due to dev choices which have made this patch such a fail in terms of timeliness, game preservation, balance and KISS principle (Keep Itthe Same Stupid).
CCP, don't be this Guy. Give a full respec.
LogiGod earns his pips
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
28
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:11:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment.
Link or it didn't happen. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
28
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:13:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I wonder how many likes from the community logi bro will accumulate before we get a respec? 250? 400? Logibros a noob.... Ever see him play? My 10 yr old is better.... No likes for Logibro until he stops sucking at the game hes developing. ?..
You might be surprised how often game dev's really aren't standout performers at the games they develop. It's not at all uncommon.
A friend of mine works for Rockstar. He really isn't all that good at any of their games. I take him to school just about every time. He isn't bad, but he's far from stellar.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1816
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:32:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it. No ones saying they cant call it what they want, same as you can call your large c l I t a p e n I s, still you must sit to pee.... Samething here, ok they are calling it, a released version, but use some logic and commom sense and what is it? Yes a tiny tiny beta, like, your c l I t.
Yeah your are correct.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:54:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:From what I understand, the respec is slated to cover weapon balance, suits, and equipment. Link or it didn't happen.
Your link
LogiGod earns his pips
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Duke Noobiam
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:12:00 -
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I'd like a respect.
All the arguments for both sides of the issue have been discussed at this point.
Personnaly, the reason I want it is that it would allow me to reclaim about 3 million wasted SP.
When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
28
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:19:00 -
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Your post insinuated that there is a respec slated to occur. This has been neither confirmed or denied. A respec is what I was referring to when I said "Link or it didn't happen."
The changes have been confirmed, a respec has not.
Get over yourself. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
28
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:31:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:I'd like a respect.
All the arguments for both sides of the issue have been discussed at this point.
Personnaly, the reason I want it is that it would allow me to reclaim about 3 million wasted SP.
I just want to go back and max out armor, shields, core, engineering, and electronics upgrades.
Then sit back and watch the ebb and flow of weapons/suits while I save up my SP. |
D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1778
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:51:00 -
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750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it
Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Lokun Listamenn
253
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:52:00 -
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Demand what?
FAME
Click for Vehicle Support
Click for Recruitment
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
30
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:59:00 -
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I always chuckle to myself when I see people ask for a "respect". |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1326
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:01:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it
the few demand it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11950
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:18:00 -
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low genius wrote:D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it.
DUST does have a very tiny player base, of which a majority seem to support or at least not oppose a respec... which would indeed mean that a few demand it....your point is....?
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
800
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:51:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Your post insinuated that there is a respec slated to occur. This has been neither confirmed or denied. A respec is what I was referring to when I said "Link or it didn't happen." The changes have been confirmed, a respec has not. Get over yourself.
My appologies, Dusts gets a Respec called 1.8, it is OP and will kill me, I want one too now. I realize that i was thinking a respec would be good and placed the word in a spot it should not have been.
Fixed.
LogiGod earns his pips
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major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
104
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:20:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:When they said this is official release we came out of beta. Doesn't matter what you think or feel the game is released because they say it is and they own it.
ha! doesnt matter what you think either for that matter but you still seem to feel the need to post it.
you knew what i meant - game isnt complete, call it what they tell you but you cant deny what it is. |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
104
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:26:00 -
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low genius wrote:D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it.
wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1178
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:03:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:low genius wrote:D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? There are, in fact, a few polls on the matter. I've mentioned two of those here.
In short: Respec for 1.8 is popular. Respecs as an AUR feature are not.
Being popular or not has no bearing on whether or not they're a good idea for the game overall, mind you. Those two are entirely seperate concepts and CCP is well adviced not to confuse them when making their decision.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
25
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:51:00 -
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A aur respec should cost $88.55 USD just to **** ppl off =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖà |
major faux-pas
Valor Coalition
104
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Posted - 2014.03.04 22:14:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:major faux-pas wrote:low genius wrote:D legendary hero wrote:750+ comments, 13,600+ views and 1,400+ likes. com'on ccp. you lost. the respect must happen. the people demand it the few demand it. wait.. has there been a vote? or your just throwing smoke? There are, in fact, a few polls on the matter. I've mentioned two of them here. In short: Respec for 1.8 is popular. Respecs as an AUR feature are not. Being popular or not has no bearing on whether or not they're a good idea for the game overall, mind you. Those two are entirely seperate concepts and CCP is well adviced not to confuse them when making their decision.
so contrary to what is suggested above, from the poll it seems most want a full respec (ok, 'demand' is open to interpretation) while i agree not all should be decided upon popularity, pissing people off, is, generally speaking, not a good idea. i also have yet to see a succinct set of reasons why a respec is a bad idea. if the aim is to sync with eve, why have an sp imbalance for unbalanced skills based on what was available pre 1.8? Jin, while i do see the fun in pissing people off with aurum respecs... i think i might be one of them... while i can laugh at the rich boys buying aurum tanks, dealing with a mass shifting with flavour-of-the month weapons may get wearing. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1515
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Posted - 2014.03.04 22:27:00 -
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Firstly I think it's funny when people say "look how big this thread is, they have to give us a respec" as if this was a democracy and thread size equated to support. A good portion of these posts are me and others explaining why they shouldn't give us one in 1.8.
Secondly they made this post and posted it up top because one day the entire forums was flooded with posts about respecs. This post is an excuse for them to bury every other post on the forums, and not a confirmation or denial of a respec. The fact that they've remained silent support neither side.
Thirdly I don't know how many other "you better do blank or else I'll leave" posts have actually got any traction, but I don't think that phases them much. Just leave if you have a problem, player counts affect how they approach things more than anything, and I honestly think more people will comeback to try the new suits than leave because they didn't get a respec for it. Until they add a proper new player experience nothing else will sway the numbers much, and even 500 regular players leaving in order to facilitate a game that hopes to have an open market is a small sacrifice.
Lastly those of us who oppose a respec in 1.8 don't necessarily want to not give out a respec, many of us would rather wait until the game is more balanced and complete. I agree with many of the arguments for one, but right now it would do so little in the larger scheme, and would make people think repsecs will come every time something changes, which was never their intended use. A game with an open market driven by supply and demand can't thrive in a respec culture, the balancing in game will do more than enough to sway markets.
Some of us are looking at the bigger picture, and since a respec at the release of 1.8 doesn't do anything to help a player who joins afterwards IMO it doesn't matter.
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1178
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Posted - 2014.03.04 23:37:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:so contrary to what is suggested above, from the poll it seems most want a full respec (ok, 'demand' is open to interpretation) while i agree not all should be decided upon popularity, pissing people off, is, generally speaking, not a good idea. i also have yet to see a succinct set of reasons why a respec is a bad idea. if the aim is to sync with eve, why have an sp imbalance for unbalanced skills based on what was available pre 1.8? Jin, while i do see the fun in pissing people off with aurum respecs... i think i might be one of them... while i can laugh at the rich boys buying aurum tanks, dealing with a mass shifting with flavour-of-the month weapons may get wearing. I think one more respec has never been a problem to anybody. I'd say I'm as much a hardliner on this issue as it gets and I'd support a full global respec after whatever patch finally adds all the missing racial variants of every current role.
The 1.8 respec is not the end of the world either since we're getting some broad changes and supposedly the missing suits. The tricky part for CCP here is, if they choose to do a respec, to formulate their reasoning in way that can(read: will) not be used to justify one more, then another one rinse and repeat every other month.
There are several reasons why this would be terribad.
Balance gets amazingly hard because the meta can completely shift within days after every patch with miniscule changes that would otherwise not even pass the threshold of being worth adopting outside of PC. This means increased performance pressure which will force even more people to follow the optimal paradigm which, in turn, kills diversity.
The player economy turns into a volatile mess where you cannot possibly predict anything and every investment is pretty much a gamble, just like many say our skill choices are right now. No one will engage in this kind of market, certainly no EVE player and a merger is completely, -absolutely out of question.
Most importantly. They do not actually fix what caused the demand for them in the first place. The issue is not a lack of respecs. It's the sweeping changes that happen after almost every patch and devaluate our skillchoices. They mask the immediate effect to the individual player but can only further amplify the underlying issue.
That's why I keep stressing that a popular idea is not necessarily a good one. The thing everyone is asking for in the hope to improve the game can easily do the exact opposite in the long run.
CCP has to greatly improve their approach to game balance in order to make meaningful long-term decisions possible. I would equate recurring respecs of any kind as nothing more than a blunt admittance that they're not up to the task and that I shouldn't bother to wait for that to happen any longer.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Dimmu Borgir II
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
245
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Posted - 2014.03.04 23:43:00 -
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Are we?
Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
30
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Posted - 2014.03.04 23:52:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:
Your post insinuated that there is a respec slated to occur. This has been neither confirmed or denied. A respec is what I was referring to when I said "Link or it didn't happen."
The changes have been confirmed, a respec has not.
My appologies, Dusts gets a Respec called 1.8, it is OP and will kill me, I want one too now. I realize that i was thinking a respec would be good and placed the word in a spot it should not have been. Zaaeed Massani wrote:Get over yourself. Over itFixed.
LOL, between that gif and your post you just made my night.
Well played, sir. Well played.
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