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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
4885
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Posted - 2014.05.25 05:17:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Your method of attributing all the blame to me if something goes wrong simply demonstrates the bias you should be above Shotty.
All i see from you is exactly as hans described.
And your attacks against me as really have no place except for maybe where popcorn is distributed.
Sorry bud. I'm trying to approach you rationally and with open mind, wish you coul do the same.
And I pray the rest of you don't fall into this mindset.
Strive to be better than this example.
0.02 isk
You may want to give Shotty a little benefit of the doubt. The guy created this sanctum for the sake of scouts, and for a long time worked to make us a relevant role. He put in a lot of work that was nearly completely ignored by those outside of this community and has a strong emotional investment. Its hard to be rational with something like that. My guess is that if you had put in the same amount of work and time for such a small number of people, you might not be able to be 100 percent rational either. How much Shotty cares is what has helped bring together and hold together this community. I wouldn't change a thing about that. ** Double posting like a mother f***ing Kaiser**
Everyone still in this scout community is a little crazy.
Some more than others.
But yeah, don't be too harsh on the guy. We've been nerfed for so long, 1.8 was a fantastic build for us. We don't want to go back to being irrelevant, and we fear the over nerf.
Don't put us back in the closet
Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
4885
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Posted - 2014.05.25 05:17:00 -
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Cause I can
Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
717
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:51:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cause I can
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
430
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Posted - 2014.05.25 09:55:00 -
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So I'm back away for another week of work travel tomorrow (I'll be on the forums etc).
Squaded up this morning with Ghost, Frost Kitty and now I'm drawing a blank on the others. Anyways, it was fun and we had some lols. As always, rolling with you fine folks is a pleasure.
Had to quit squad so I could then go in to do 4 PC matches in 2 hours... Long story but the first one was very stressful... And the 2nd was straight up painful.. the other 2 were actually fun.
GG scouts.
Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others
Hit me up for Skype and PSN
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Jaceon Pale-eye
DUST University Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2014.05.25 11:55:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Played with Jace in a two person squad to practice put his KnifingGǪ Damn He will be good when he has the SP He went 5/4 with BASIC KNIVESGǪ Bloody awesome in my opinion Instincts are good, knows when to go when to stop for the most part. Needs to check his Six a bit more often, though I was cleaning crew when I could so a few times people got a surprise when they went after him. He got at least three revenge kills for me Some bad luck moments (yeah we had those) I really have to get my PS3 where I can use my mic more often Cloak management is one thing i think will help out, especially when the timer gets cut. But dude you know how to approach people I watched you stalk like a pro a few times. Especially when you got through those heavies at the far ObjectivesGǪ (I however got cut down by an HMG) Good work You stick with it and you will be a beast Minja Thanks for the kind words :) I haven't been on the forums in a couple days so I didn't see this until now.
Also, thanks for the squad! I basically just tried to do it a bit closer to how you were. Those heavies had no idea the one match xD
Best was the revenge kills though. "I killed the scout guys!" *slashslash* "WTF!?" lol |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
3244
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Posted - 2014.05.25 19:47:00 -
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IWS NOOOOOOOOOO DISENGAGE DIDENGAGE
KRRROOOOOOM
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2627
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:55:00 -
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So 3x SP event. Omega booster for 6x. that'll get my Amarr Assault to level 5
Also, really Appia? REally? we're doing this again. Really!?
yeah, so I'm going to get my proto Amarr Assault again so that I can keep playing competitively
If I have to sacrifice 3 slots to get under scans then I'll just take the 478HP instead and a nice Scrambler Rifle. Or a shotgun, because the Amarr Assault has and always will make a really good shotgun suit.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3245
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:11:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:So 3x SP event. Omega booster for 6x. that'll get my Amarr Assault to level 5
Also, really Appia? REally? we're doing this again. Really!?
yeah, so I'm going to get my proto Amarr Assault again so that I can keep playing competitively
If I have to sacrifice 3 slots to get under scans then I'll just take the 478HP instead and a nice Scrambler Rifle. Or a shotgun, because the Amarr Assault has and always will make a really good shotgun suit.
ButGǪ butGǪ
Amarr QQ wrote: Amarr suits are all underpowered and stuff Insert ten wall of text lobbyist threads
KRRROOOOOOM
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mollerz
3553
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:12:00 -
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Who the **** is zatara and where the **** did that person come from?
This game needs real developers. This approach to creating a game is straight up stupid. Lol all day.
Your Welcome
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Jaceon Pale-eye
DUST University Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:44:00 -
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Who the **** IS that dude? |
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3248
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:52:00 -
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Jaceon Pale-eye wrote:Who the **** IS that dude? someone "special"
KRRROOOOOOM
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1653
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:56:00 -
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Jaceon Pale-eye wrote:Who the **** IS that dude? IWS is one of the CPM, or appointed players that meet with CCP and discuss Dust/Legion related things.
Jerrmy is a forum troll, and poor excuse for a scam artist, having been banned at one point, and with an alt that was also banned. He actually isn't as bad as he once was (at least in my opinion) as banning seems to have had an effect on him, however logic isn't strong with him.
I suggest not trying to have any real discussion with him. Something about him pulling you down to his level and beating you with experience and such.
"I've made a huge mistake."
-G.O.B. Bluth
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3250
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:09:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Jaceon Pale-eye wrote:Who the **** IS that dude? IWS is one of the CPM, or appointed players that meet with CCP and discuss Dust/Legion related things. Jerrmy is a forum troll, and poor excuse for a scam artist, having been banned at one point, and with an alt that was also banned. He actually isn't as bad as he once was (at least in my opinion) as banning seems to have had an effect on him, however logic isn't strong with him. I suggest not trying to have any real discussion with him. Something about him pulling you down to his level and beating you with experience and such. ^^ Sums it all up
IWS is also an adopted scout for his work to keep scouts viable when we received our buff to be useful. He is not full time scout but uses all roles to remain adaptable. He has good ideas and bad ideas just like the rest of us. Genuinely cares about the state of the game, though his posts sometimes attract hate it's often due to his delivery.
I would love to see a round of diplomatic negotiations between IWS and Appia
KRRROOOOOOM
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1746
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:09:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:I would love to see a round of diplomatic negotiations between IWS and Appia How about we don't endorse the implosion of the forums?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3250
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:11:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Llast 326 wrote:I would love to see a round of diplomatic negotiations between IWS and Appia How about we don't endorse the implosion of the forums?
KRRROOOOOOM
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2629
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Posted - 2014.05.26 00:05:00 -
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Don't advocate nerfing scouts and there's really no problem.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2630
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Posted - 2014.05.26 00:36:00 -
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If they're is a clear division between the people that have been dedicated scouts for months before 1.8 and people that only came after. CPM isn't doing their job of representing the community. It's a repeat of the Tanks situation and once again over-nerfing and looking for solutions in the wrong place.
It's the same division of players that wanted to insist upon how scouts suits worked and should work in 1.8 yet never having played with them, let alone play with them in PC.
It's the simple fact that being able to scan someone is always more potent than being able to conceal yourself. Former slayer-logi will not give up their crutch that they need to be able to find you. Rattati is the Slayer-Logi Savior for he agrees with them.
Stealth should be the domain of the class, easier with a gal who focuses on dampening, pass the range bonus to Amarr and they've got a nice little scoutly balance going.
Seriously... it took this huge debate to point out 1 thing. Gal and Cal should lose the range bonus and have it placed on Amarr so if you include hacking as a scoutly role each all 4 have something something. Or still go searching for that Amarr specialty, take away the damp bonus from Gal and the range bonus from Cal.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5764
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Posted - 2014.05.26 02:00:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:If they're is a clear division between the people that have been dedicated scouts for months before 1.8 and people that only came after. CPM isn't doing their job of representing the community. It's a repeat of the Tanks situation and once again over-nerfing and looking for solutions in the wrong place.
It's the same division of players that wanted to insist upon how scouts suits worked and should work in 1.8 yet never having played with them, let alone play with them in PC.
It's the simple fact that being able to scan someone is always more potent than being able to conceal yourself. Former slayer-logi will not give up their crutch that they need to be able to find you. Rattati is the Slayer-Logi Savior for he agrees with them.
Stealth should be the domain of the class, easier with a gal who focuses on dampening, pass the range bonus to Amarr and they've got a nice little scoutly balance going.
Seriously... it took this huge debate to point out 1 thing. Gal and Cal should lose the range bonus and have it placed on Amarr so if you include hacking as a scoutly role each all 4 have something something. Or still go searching for that Amarr specialty, take away the damp bonus from Gal and the range bonus from Cal.
-Goes to make comment, sees 'The Locker Room', turns away.-
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Aeon Amadi for CPM1
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Appia Nappia
741
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Posted - 2014.05.26 03:07:00 -
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Hotfix Alpha Min http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/4590
Hotfix Alpha Cal http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/4591
Hotfix Alpha Gal http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/4592
Minmatar is so ******* screwed
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1211
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Posted - 2014.05.26 03:09:00 -
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Good. I was getting tired of almost being viable. Now I'll have something to blame my terrible game play on again.
EDIT: Links all appear to show the same suit/setup, just with a different name?
Knowledge is power
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Appia Nappia
741
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Posted - 2014.05.26 03:11:00 -
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Brokerib wrote: Good. I was getting tired of almost being viable. Now I'll have something to blame my terrible game play on again.
EDIT: Links all appear to show the same suit/setup, just with a different name?
No, when I click on them incognito they go to the right ones. you sure you aren't too tired and cliked the same one 3 times?
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1211
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Posted - 2014.05.26 03:32:00 -
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I'll blame a Protofits glitch I think
Now shows the correct fits, though the Minmatar brifely showed up as Gal before I refreshed it.
Knowledge is power
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Appia Nappia
741
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Posted - 2014.05.26 03:58:00 -
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The Minmatar was me modifying my current Min-Scout fit that I use to ninja-hack points.
Here's a more combat oriented Hotfix Alpha Min V3 http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/4596
Pub match? Sure, I'll trade the dampening for 2 kincats and try out a ferro plate. And the Cloak for a repair nanohive. But that's just to screw around with Nova Knives in pub matches
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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mollerz
3555
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:34:00 -
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Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes?
Your Welcome
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
15203
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:49:00 -
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Well the problem is that most folks are not providing a reasonable enough argument in CCP Rattati's eyes (let alone legacy complains/conversations since 1.8 has shown such) that Gallente Scouts are a bit tad overpowered. In all fairness one must be prepared to love and destroy everything. Always.
As for the absolution comment.
We currently have an issue with X vs Y; So lets throw in the final vector Z.
Z is superior
No matter what letter you have Z cannot be beaten.
X and Y do not matter only Z does.
The game has far more to benefit if it was more of an Xa Xb Xc Xd type game instead.
In an FPS people also hate RNG; So we must stay the eff away from dice rolls.
If a system is made where the results are well understood, the actions influence both sides of the consequences then you wind up with a skill vs skill game, not something empirical.
If a scout with 200 hp can beat the crap out of a scout with 450 hp why can't a scout with 28 db beat the crap out of one with 14 db on the electronic warfare front? Skills > Numbers. Skill derived from the understanding of the numbers and making the most of it work for him/her not lazily slapping things on and taking the effect for granted.
If I had to answer the questions "Should something be unscannable?" and "Should something always be scannable?"
My answer is no to the both of them. It is however unfortunate that likely Dust 514 cannot support the means of making both of those question's answers a reality.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
3290
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Posted - 2014.05.26 06:58:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes?
Just a noob, I don't have CCP's ear.
Not really important bud <3
Here's all you really need to know.
CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
4912
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:37:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes?
He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix.
His success or failure in this field is currently being debated
Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3259
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:55:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:mollerz wrote:Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated CEO and PoliticianGǪ What could possibly go wrong
KRRROOOOOOM
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Appia Nappia
744
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Posted - 2014.05.26 17:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well the problem is that most folks are not providing a reasonable enough argument in CCP Rattati's eyes (let alone legacy complains/conversations since 1.8 has shown such) that Gallente Scouts are a bit tad overpowered. In all fairness one must be prepared to love and destroy everything. Always.
As for the absolution comment.
We currently have an issue with X vs Y; So lets throw in the final vector Z.
Z is superior
No matter what letter you have Z cannot be beaten.
X and Y do not matter only Z does.
The game has far more to benefit if it was more of an Xa Xb Xc Xd type game instead.
In an FPS people also hate RNG; So we must stay the eff away from dice rolls.
If a system is made where the results are well understood, the actions influence both sides of the consequences then you wind up with a skill vs skill game, not something empirical.
If a scout with 200 hp can beat the crap out of a scout with 450 hp why can't a scout with 28 db beat the crap out of one with 14 db on the electronic warfare front? Skills > Numbers. Skill derived from the understanding of the numbers and making the most of it work for him/her not lazily slapping things on and taking the effect for granted.
If I had to answer the questions "Should something be unscannable?" and "Should something always be scannable?"
My answer is no to the both of them. It is however unfortunate that likely Dust 514 cannot support the means of making both of those question's answers a reality.
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Appia Nappia
744
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Posted - 2014.05.26 17:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well the problem is that most folks are not providing a reasonable enough argument in CCP Rattati's eyes (let alone legacy complains/conversations since 1.8 has shown such) that Gallente Scouts are a bit tad overpowered. In all fairness one must be prepared to love and destroy everything. Always.
Again, we come to the problem, Gal-Scouts can armor tank so they're OP. In trying to move the Gallente Scout away from a Light-Assault role it is nothing more than over-compensation.
Gallente Scouts never have and probably should not have the High Slot power to have precision great enough to detect other scouts. With 2 High Slots that's fine. Because of the lack of module diversity I have the option to run precision enhancers, shield extenders or damage mods (melee is dumb and shield rechargers aren't useful on an armor suit). IN Low slots, with things as-is Gallente Scout has 2 options: (1) Dampener and Cloak or (2) two dampeners w/o cloak.
Now, let's imagine here that's I'm someone who has been playing with the suit for a long, long time. With those 2 options I have to mitigate being scanned I have 1EQ and 3 Low slots or 2EQ and 2 Low slots. I really only want to choose between an Uplink and Remote Explosives in that lone EQ slots. But now I have 3 Lows to think about. I could stack 3 complex armor plates and end up with a total of 608 Armor. I could go with 457 armor via 2 complex plates with a kincat or range amp. Yeah, I like that.
Whoa, whoa whoa, there! Nappia, you're a Scout! What is with do you like running with those plates? Shouldn't you be using EWAR and movement modules before adding HP?
Glad you asked, Appia, the reason I find need for all that HP is because I plan to run around with a shotgun. You see most Medium Frame suits take at least 2 shots to kill from optimal range with my shotgun. The fire interval between shots is 0.8 seconds. That means it takes 1.6 seconds to kill someone. My goal here is to have enough effective hit points (eHP) to survive the duration of my 2 shots. When the DPS on the Fine Rifles is between 450-500 that means I need to have at least a full second of survival. If I get the first shot off from surprise it still means I need 0.8 seconds to finish someone off. If combat rifles are the most prevalent in the game then I can say my effective HP = (shields)*1.05 + (Armor)*0.9. simplified to
500 = (shields) *1.05 + (armor)*0.9 500 = (232)*1.05 + (162+plate bonus)*0.9 500 = 243 + 145 + (plate)*0.9 500 = 388 + (plate)*0.9 112 = (plate)*0.9 112 = (124)*0.9
Ok. So by my own math the survivability needed to use a shotgun to take out 1 opponent only needs to be full armor and shield upgrades, 2 complex shields, and an ADV plate. . . ah shoot, forgot that Proficiency increases effective damage against armor:
500 = (shields) *1.05 + (armor)*0.75 500 = (232)*1.05 + (162+plate bonus)*0.75 500 = 243 + 121 + (plate)*0.75 500 = 364 + (plate)*0.75 136 = (plate)*0.75 136 = (181)*0.75
Oh. Damn. 181 from plates? That's going to be at least 2 armor plates any way you slice it.
So, what is wrong with my claim for needed HP? The fault of pure math is that it involves The White Room.
Variables that are not included is time it takes to turn around and my ability to strafe through bullets or their ability to move outside my optimal range, which if you've ever played with a shotgun or even taken the chance to notice how ludicrously fast the falloff rate is, you'd agree that getting outside shotgun range greatly puts the combat results in favor of the Fine Rifle user. It also ignore the idea that there might be a second or third person in the area that can contribute to the fight. Or that the Medium Frame user has the HP to survive the second shot.
Why is Appia upset at the changes in Hotfix Alpha? Well, that's probably because she never saw the cloak as an invisibility aspect. You can look at posts from the past within this very thread she flippantly states how useless the cloak is for countering visual alertness. She then stresses how she is only going to use it as an active dampener.
Appia is known for having Caldari, Minmatar, and Gallente Scout Operations V. From different perspectives just using Appia's fittings alone, Appia sees the changes from Caldari as acceptable. Caldari shouldn't be able to escape Caldari Scanners. At the same time Appia plans to swap the complex dampeners and cloak on the Caldari builds to straight complex armor plates and more nanohives as seen in the link "Hotfix Alpha Cal."
From the Gallente Perspective; Range reduction is fine. HP regen is good too. I am in love with the flavor of Gallente suits having a passive HP attribute, but the value needs to be lower than a basic armor repairer or it seems like a free slot. The Gallente Scout is also the smallest of the suits and should have the smallest regeneration (i'd like it to be 1/2/3 for L/M/H frames). Divorcing Active Dampening from Invisibility is a terrible move. The invisibility of the cloak field is not a useful tool. The amount of shield flare when moving does not change between slow-crouch, full speed crouch, slow walk, and sprint. It's an I/O system of flare or no flare. The mechanics of the cloak limit it to a device for camping in a single location and waiting for people to come by. In low personal-skill games the cloak can be used for frontal assaults but that really doesn't work in high personal-skill matches. In PC the number of cloaked scouts that have been killed by Appia in somewhere between 100-150. Without the active dampening of the item it has no use as a tool of covert movement. With the new numbers it will take 2 complex and a thrid dampener to get under Cal-Scans. The simultaneous change to Gallente dampening and cloak dampening mean that a cloak does not provided . . .
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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