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Appia Nappia 744	Posted - 2014.05.26 17:50:00 - [14551] - Quote a significant value to have to choose between passive and active dampening. 2 dampeners and a proto cloak do not get you under 15 dB. 3 dampeners get you under 15 dB so the cloak is no longer useful on the Gallente Scout. Stealth combat has also been ruined. The Gallente Scout can no longer get to the eHP needed to survive long enough to both get a single kill and disengage from combat safely/effectively. From the Minmatar Scout perspective this is taken as a significant nerf to suit performance. The Minmatar suit has 3 main points to it. Highest movement speed in the game. Which gives it the highest strafe speed as well. The minmatar scout fairs well in Fine Rifle combat because a skilled player can use the innate feature of the suit to cause an opponent to miss a higher percentage of shots giving it a higher level of survivability. This is promoting the suit as a Light-Assault instead of a Scout suit. As far as I am concerned the other 2 aspects of the suit have been hampered too significantly to continue the use as anything other than a Light-Assault. The second aspect of the Minmatar Scout is stealth combat. For this, it is still possible to engage in, as the change from 1.8 to 1.8 Hotfix Alpha is the loss of a low slot and the need for a Ishukone Cloak Field instead of the prefered ARN-18 Cloak Field. While the Gallente Scout engages is stealth combat with the Shotgun, the Minmatar Scout engages in it with Nova Knives. Now a big difference between Gallente with Shotgun and Minmatar with Knives is that as alpha-damage weapons the Nova Knives on a Minmatar Scout have the capacity to kill in a single attack (2 swipes at full charge do somewhere between 900 and 1290 depending on SP investment in Min Scouts and Knives Proficiency). So eHP doesnGÇÖt mean as much in the White Room. Survivability significantly decreased however. Minmatar Scouts do not have the option to choose between Passive and Active Dampening. They never did. They went from needing 2 Low Slots and any cloak to needed 3 dampeners and a complex cloak. On a lvl5 scout the difference in cost between the ARN and Ishukone is 24 CPU and 5 PG. On a suit with the least fitting power in the game that is a significant difference. That difference is the same as choosing a ADV weapon and a Proto weapon. To continue to participate in stealth combat the Minmatar suit ends up with 87 armor and 230CPU and 26PG dedicated from the Ishukone Cloak, Ishukone Nova Knives, and 3 Complex Profile Dampeners. With max stats that give the Minmatar Scout 250 CPU and 56 PG. IGÇÖll toss on a basic Combat Rifle and basic Flux Grenade. I have 1 EQ and 3 High Slots left to fill in with 218 CPU and 51 PG. Now if I want to covertly enter an area and place uplinks, which is within the expected role thatGÇÖll take another 71 CPU and 14 PG . So 3 high slots with 147 CPU and 37 PG. At this point I like to be a Scout and would usually put on 3 complex precision enhancers for a scan precision of 20 dB which will catch those pesky Caldari scout if they tried to max out dampening. But seeing as I wonGÇÖt get them anymore I say, forget it and attach 2 complex shield extenders for 114 CPU and 22 PG. IGÇÖve got 1 slot left to fill with 33 CPU and 15 PG. Now thatGÇÖs enough CPU for a Precision enhancer but the value of 28.8 dB. My other options are a basic shield extender, basic shield recharger or basic shield energizer. IGÇÖll go with basic shield extender and upgrade my Combat Rifle to a BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle Or I could leave out the Uplink, take a Remote Explosive, and use a third Complex Shield extender. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/4596 Stealth Combat Min Scout. But it also takes up the slot of a Codebreaker. The Minmatar Scout have a base hack speed of -10%, a skill bonus of -25%, and the system hacking skill of -25%. Without a 3rd low slot to use a Complex Codebreaker, it has a hack speed of 5.06 seconds. The Gallente Scout with a 4th low slot used as a Complex Codebreaker gives it a too similar value of 5.36 seconds from -5% from innate suit bonus, -25% from systems hacking skill, and -25% from complex codebreaker. If a Minmatar Scout wants to go in and covertly hack an objective and place uplinks they will be far less effective than the Gallente Scout that doesnGÇÖt need a cloak to get the same value and can deploy 2 extra uplinks in the area. If IGÇÖve lost out on utility to a Gallente Scout, I see no reason to continue playing as a Minmatar Scout. It only serves a purpose as a Minmatar Light-Assault when given the option between 2 suits. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/161/4595 Stealth Combat/Infiltration balance http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/161/4590 Stealth Infiltration. None of these are particularly good. If you want to play a Stealth role and are going to use a Rifle then the Gallente are going to be better. If you want to play an infiltration role, the Gallente are going to be better. The only way the Minmatar is a more desirable suit to is is when you fit it for Light-Assault play. As an Amarr Scout. . . wait a minutes. Amarr doesnGÇÖt have a specialization. All I can do with it is mimic other racial fits with a lesser degree of effectiveness. Because Appia only skilled into it because it was the only Scout suit Appia didnGÇÖt have. As a Gallente Logistics player, Appia is quite pleased. Appia can stack multiple focused scanners and still dual tank to find scouts without sacrificing survivability or Appia can stand next to a supply depot and just spam a single Focused scanner over and over again. Did anyone really expect people wonGÇÖt use any tactic readily available? If it can be done it will be done in PC. As an Assault player, Ha, fewer of those little flies buzzing about. Fewer will come from surprise and less will get a kill. Pretty awesome. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Appia Nappia 744	Posted - 2014.05.26 17:51:00 - [14552] - Quote Sentinel. This is a pretty good change. It takes 3-5 shots from a shotgun to depending on which suit IGÇÖm in and how tanked I am for them to kill me, more if IGÇÖve got a logibro with me. Now with less HP I can kill them every time :) If the problem stems from Gallente Scouts being OP. And Scouts in general being used as Light Assault, why is there so much focus on dampening when we should be looking at why a Scout suit is being chosen over an Assault. I was expecting a balance pass to happen over the Medium Frames slot layout and fine tuning of skill bonuses, instead I find that the first update does not solve the problem of medium frames being used more often but changes that push the Light-Assault playstyle further into the foreground. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3290	Posted - 2014.05.26 18:22:00 - [14553] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: mollerz wrote: Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated CEO and PoliticianGÇª What could possibly go wrong actually hand in hand IMO. Pokey, Black Jackal, Dennie Fleetfoot, Zionshad, and myself are or were CEO's in Black Jackal's case. Radar and Matthew Dust were also CEO's as candidates as well. <3 CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1023	Posted - 2014.05.26 19:32:00 - [14554] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: mollerz wrote: Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated The Nerf Hammer, a Brief History: Item overperforms. Becomes FoTM. CCP nerfs multiple aspects of the item at once. Item gets broken. Oops. CCP says they'll be more careful next time. CCP says they'll stick to small changes. No more nerf hammer. Hotfix Alpha: * Combat Rifle overperforming. Rattati grabs scalpel. * Tanks overperforming. Rattati grabs scalpel. * GalScout overperforming. Rattati reaches for hammer. * the crowd goes wild * Zatara: Been here through it all; knows firsthand that compounded nerfs are bad news. Pushes for them anyway. Lots of little tweaks and changes, each elegantly pitched. Either over-confident in his calculations or seeking to do harm under guise of good intentions. On my sh!tlist either way. Gamble with nerf hammers on your own stuff, Bro. The Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2639	Posted - 2014.05.26 19:43:00 - [14555] - Quote Ok. so i re-posted what I have here in Feedback section under one of my many alts because I've been too emotionally invested in countering the nerf-hammer that's given to scout Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3265	Posted - 2014.05.26 19:45:00 - [14556] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: mollerz wrote: Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated CEO and PoliticianGÇª What could possibly go wrong actually hand in hand IMO. Pokey, Black Jackal, Dennie Fleetfoot, Zionshad, and myself are or were CEO's in Black Jackal's case. Radar and Matthew Dust were also CEO's as candidates as well. <3 But what about that makes for a good community representative? KRRROOOOOOM
Xx-VxF-xX Void of Faction 71	Posted - 2014.05.26 19:48:00 - [14557] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: a significant value to have to choose between passive and active dampening. 2 dampeners and a proto cloak do not get you under 15 dB. 3 dampeners get you under 15 dB so the cloak is no longer useful on the Gallente Scout Stealth combat has also been ruined. The Gallente Scout can no longer get to the eHP needed to survive long enough to both get a single kill and disengage from combat safely/effectively. Do you think 3x complex gets Minmatar/Amarr under the 15 with a proto cloak? 14.27 3x complex and proto cloak Minmatar/Amarr 14.15 2x complex and proto cloak Gallente cloak is still useful to those that don't want to be visually seen. add shotgun alpha shield dmg with a bolt pistol/locus grenade armor dmg or just NK's - 2x complex shield extenders 1x reactive plate. Sound very balanced for a invisible to all alpha dmg scout. You want both invisability and eHP tank (cake and eat it too).
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2640	Posted - 2014.05.26 19:56:00 - [14558] - Quote Still gets rounded up to 15 which makes it scannable Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Xx-VxF-xX Void of Faction 72	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:04:00 - [14559] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Still gets rounded up to 15 which makes it scannable The goal/question Rattiti wanted was if 3x complex dampeners and a proto cloak made min/amar invisible to all. so if that was the case then it would have to round down which would make 2x complex dampeners and a proto cloak on gallente invisible to all.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1032	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:11:00 - [14560] - Quote Hunting a 15 dB won't be easy. What's the GalLogi scan at with the non-focused proto scanners? (traveling) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Xx-VxF-xX Void of Faction 73	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:23:00 - [14561] - Quote I understand my view means nothing because i don't do PC. I do numbers in spreadsheets because I can win on paper with tactics and balance. In game I suck even if using FOTM.
Haerr Legio DXIV 738	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:26:00 - [14562] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Hunting a 15 dB won't be easy. What's the GalLogi scan precision with the non-focused proto scanners? (traveling) 21 dB, it will require 2 cpds on a minmatar to escape those and it will require 2 cpds on a gallente to escape from them as well. I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1035	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:40:00 - [14563] - Quote Haerr wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Hunting a 15 dB won't be easy. What's the GalLogi scan precision with the non-focused proto scanners? (traveling) 21 dB, it will require 2 cpds on a minmatar to escape those and it will require 2 cpds on a gallente to escape from them as well. Thanks! Is that with or without the cloak bonus? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2646	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:42:00 - [14564] - Quote That is Without Cloak Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2646	Posted - 2014.05.26 20:54:00 - [14565] - Quote Aeon Amadi wanted to talk about Legion and scan systems here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2180617 Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2650	Posted - 2014.05.27 00:24:00 - [14566] - Quote welp. I give up. I like running scout but the nerf to dampening is just too much. I'm running full Slayer builds now 3x cSE Boundless Combat Rifle Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle M1 Grenade Remote Explosives Compact Nanohive Enhanced Armor Repair 2x eFerro Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1219	Posted - 2014.05.27 00:25:00 - [14567] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Ok. so i re-posted what I have here in Feedback section under one of my many alts because I've been too emotionally invested in countering the nerf-hammer that's given to scout Excellent post Appia, well done. Knowledge is power
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1035	Posted - 2014.05.27 00:25:00 - [14568] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: That is Without Cloak Roger that. Back home. Finally able to get into Haerr's updated Scan Table. Good stuff as always, Haerr :-) Seems there's an error in progression. Gallente Scout, Rows 21 - 24. I read through Appia's concerns. Noted :-) What are the rest of you guys thinking? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1219	Posted - 2014.05.27 02:04:00 - [14569] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: That is Without Cloak Roger that. Back home. Finally able to get into Haerr's updated Scan Table. Good stuff as always, Haerr. o7 Seems there's an error in progression. Gallente Scout, Rows 21 - 24. Values increase rather than decrease. At first glance, the hunter/hunted scenarios look pretty well balanced to me. Though Appia raises good points in her eWar / loadout post. What are the rest of you guys thinking? I'm thinking that if Cal scout becomes the new FOTM, I'm screwed. From the looks of it, anyone with a dual precision Cal will see me in all of my current fits, and it will be imposible for me to beat a triple stacked Cal regardless of what I do. With shared passive vision and most of my suits running sub- 300 EHP, that could be a problem. If Cal spam arises, I'll either need to start running proto suits regularaly so I can run triple damps to get under a dual precision Cal, which seems like a poor investment, or I need to get use to working at range again. Good thing I've got sniper rifles to pro 3... Knowledge is power
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1219	Posted - 2014.05.27 02:05:00 - [14570] - Quote @Haerr, Just checking, does the updated table account for the reduction in the Cal scouts precision bonus? I'm asuming it does, just wanted to be sure. Knowledge is power

Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3292	Posted - 2014.05.27 04:50:00 - [14571] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: mollerz wrote: Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated CEO and PoliticianGÇª What could possibly go wrong actually hand in hand IMO. Pokey, Black Jackal, Dennie Fleetfoot, Zionshad, and myself are or were CEO's in Black Jackal's case. Radar and Matthew Dust were also CEO's as candidates as well. <3 But what about that makes for a good community representative? That is a great question. The purpose of the CPM is to represent the community to CCP and be a conduit for the community as a focus group of sorts. The assertion was that being a CEO is a bad thing was just something I was hoping i could easily disperse by listing a bunch of the candidates you may not have known were CEO's. Being a CEO doesn't inherently make you a viable CPM choice, but it can demonstrate a lot about you. Your ability to lead a corp successfully is often time a reflection that you are willing to put in the time to keep the corp 'alive' in some sense. Corps that aren't given goals or have a factor that keeps the community together (take WTF as the default French community corporation) often fall by the wayside. A leader is often also heavily involved in putting out fires diplomatically, and being patient and professional is really key when you want to work with CCP. You can't be the type of person to reign down fire and brimstone and cry and scream because it gets you worse than nowhere. You get reduced to sitting in a corner with the dunce cap and you compromise your ability to advocate with the traits that voted you in in the first place. Furthermore being CEO often means you've dealt with other CEO's, at least I assume so I personally know probably about 20 CEO's on dust and am familiar with many more. This leads to some really happy things happening in terms of having laid the foundation to delegate to those CEO's and ask them to get feedback from their members about 'X' if you simply don't have the time to seek out each member. If that foundation isn't there, you have to work a little harder. CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Firbolg Barun Dust2Dust. Top Men. 28	Posted - 2014.05.27 06:10:00 - [14572] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: welp. I give up. I like running scout but the nerf to dampening is just too much. I'm running full Slayer builds now 3x cSE Boundless Combat Rifle Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle M1 Grenade Remote Explosives Compact Nanohive Enhanced Armor Repair 2x eFerro The QQ meta will quickly adapt.... 4 complex ferroscale 2 complex shield ACR ScP Triage hive Ammo hive Core locus grenade Or you could also do a logi scout. Many other games have their repair guy being light. Meanwhile, Im playing my berseker (light slayer mech) in HAWKEN. Its pretty awesome. xD
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 434	Posted - 2014.05.27 07:26:00 - [14573] - Quote While I'm trying to stay relatively neutral, despite it impacting my suit directly, I'll be watching Alpha very closely and assess success or failure when it drops. As, to be honest, it's what I'll be basing my decision whether I stay in Dust (or even bother going to Legion for that matter). Anybody else feel this way? Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN
Jaceon Pale-eye DUST University Ivy League 35	Posted - 2014.05.27 09:51:00 - [14574] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: While I'm trying to stay relatively neutral, despite it impacting my suit directly, I'll be watching Alpha very closely and assess success or failure when it drops. As, to be honest, it's what I'll be basing my decision whether I stay in Dust (or even bother going to Legion for that matter). Anybody else feel this way? Yes and no. My main is Havohej Anyone with an Eve-O account can look him up and see that I've been playing that game since 2007. I feel I kinda know CCP because of this. Rattati isn't a unique thing, as far as CCP devs engaging directly with the community and trying to figure out their game and what it needs. CCP devs are notorious for not knowing what players know about their spaceship game, and now their shooter as well. They have a certain meta in mind when they design a suit or ship or weapon or module, and then we do the theorycrafting and come up with ** they never intended, and they don't know what to do about it so they don't change anything until the QQ of the vocal minority on their forums reaches critical mass. They may break us with Alpha. It's a distinct possibility. I say us meaning scouts in general. Because they want to nerf the shotgun scout, they're going way far with it. Fortunately, it looks like the latest iteration of Alpha is closer to the mark and may not actually destroy our role as we know it to be. And , I'm just scratching the surface of learning the role to begin with. But if they DO break us, they will at the same time inadvertently make something else overpowered. And they'll nerf that, and we'll take the role we adapt into Alpha through to Hotfix Bravo and we'll be something like 'okay' again. IVVS blew a lot of wind about numbers not being the thing that should determine advantage. But you know what? In the real world, every single video game must come down to numbers, because that's all any of it is. When they nerf one set of numbers, another set of numbers must inevitably step to the fore. Because we don't have the sort of technology that would really, truly let player skill be the be-all, end-all. "It's all a game of this or that, now versus then. 'Better off' against 'worse for wear'." In other words, video game balance is a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, Nerf Bat. Even Blizzard, the king of the MMO, has not found a way out of this trap. So yes... Alpha will determine some things for me. Mainly, whether I spent money on Aurum for boosters or not. It won't determine whether I keep playing, though. I will. Just like I kept playing Eve after I skilled into nano-HACs only for the nano-nerf to land two weeks later. Months of skill training... suddenly marginalized. Fortunately, I was already specced into the meta that rose to the fore after that (I was an assault ship pilot before assault ships were cool). I'll keep playing Dust until the servers are so empty it's not possible to even get a decent match going. If that happens, I'll just be playing Eve. Two or three years from now, we'll be in Legion Beta saying "We were scouts before scouting was cool." With our proto knives and ACRs and shotguns and our Complex Damps and our proto REs. And who knows, maybe we'll even be carrying bloody mass drivers like a bunch of 200 eHP hipsters. But we'll be there, because nobody else will present us with a shooter possessed of anywhere near the complexity of this one. And because, even though they're *** drunk college kids at heart, they do genuinely give a ** about putting out the best games in a niche they've created. They do listen and at least try to give us what we seem to want. At the end of the day, given that my chosen way to waste my time and money as a 31 year old male is vidya games (instead bars and booze and hookers and blow), that's good enough for me. Because like Mayo in "An Officer and a Gentleman", I got no place else to go. (Until/unless somebody DOES come along offering a better spaceship game and/or a better, more complex shooter... you've been warned, CCP).
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3292	Posted - 2014.05.27 10:04:00 - [14575] - Quote " IVVS blew a lot of wind about numbers not being the thing that should determine advantage. But you know what? In the real world, every single video game must come down to numbers, because that's all any of it is. When they nerf one set of numbers, another set of numbers must inevitably step to the fore. Because we don't have the sort of technology that would really, truly let player skill be the be-all, end-all. "It's all a game of this or that, now versus then. 'Better off' against 'worse for wear'." In other words, video game balance is a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, Nerf Bat. Even Blizzard, the king of the MMO, has not found a way out of this trap." Let me point you to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxszx60ZwGw In particular the "intangible" portion near the end. CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Jaceon Pale-eye DUST University Ivy League 35	Posted - 2014.05.27 10:08:00 - [14576] - Quote Not to be a ****, but at 6 am, 7 minutes is too long. Cliffs notes?
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3293	Posted - 2014.05.27 10:13:00 - [14577] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxszx60ZwGw#t=3m47s also: Quote: In the real world, every single video game must come down to numbers, because that's all any of it is. I really can't tell if I should lol or think this is inadvertently profound. <3 CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Jaceon Pale-eye DUST University Ivy League 36	Posted - 2014.05.27 10:23:00 - [14578] - Quote lol thanks for the fastforward link. I get what he's saying (and thus, what you're getting at) re: power creep vs. the concept of incomparables. Still, the solutions cited for example in that presentation ultimately come down to artificial limitation OR Rock, Paper, Scissors. In Magic, This card can be countered by that card (or combination of cards). With CCP's games, skills cap out at level 5, so you can only ever have a character that is 'this good' at using Gun A on Suit B. After that, it's player skill. The thing that makes it interesting for a newbro like me is that, eventually, I will also have the skills maxed out, be running the proto gear on the proto suit (or the T2 gear on the T2 ship), and after that it's a matter of whether I'm as good at the game as the other guy is. In the current series of debates regarding Gal/Cal scouts and Scan vs. Damp, for example. Scan is Rock and Damp is (apparently) Paper. There doesn't seem to be a Scissors, so Rattati is introducing /nerfbat. I'll concede that, theoretically, it is possible to have a game NOT come down to R/P/S... but I maintain that I haven't seen it done yet. EDIT: I think what I'm trying to say is that I think the best any development team can do is have it so that for every Rock, there's at least 2 or 3 ways to throw Paper. For every Paper, there's at least 2 or 3 ways to throw Scissors. Etc.
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 435	Posted - 2014.05.27 10:26:00 - [14579] - Quote EVE has PvE and a decent meta to be involved in if you find your build knocked out of being competitive in PvP. But here it's all we have. If the two builds I'm specced get knocked out of viability in PC (and they're the 2 on the chopping block) I will have been nerfed out of the game. I'm not going to grind however many millions of SP so I can get one viable suit. This isn't a woe is me/I deserve to be OP thing, I specced my chosen suits for racial reasons but then to discover its where all the slayer-logis went was concerning to say the least. I've been playing all uprising with both of my roles nerfed and ignored for a long time. I'm not going through that again. I'm just not. As for Legion. I don't particularly feel like going through a whole dev cycle again. Dust has succeeded in getting the mind share of a lot of players (getting them to play dust at the expense of other games), myself included. Its where I play because it's where the people I know play. I currently know of 80 people signed up for the Destiny beta alone who are coming from here, most of them after FF. Maybe it'll suck and be totally over hyped. Or maybe it'll hook us, and we'll forget about this place like I did to others when coming here... Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1037	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:45:00 - [14580] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: You can't be the type of person to reign down fire and brimstone and cry and scream because it gets you worse than nowhere. Is this a newly learned life-lesson? I ask because it describes quite well your approach to Field Command. As of last week, at least. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley



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