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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:47:00 -
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When was exmaple a scout? He ran shotty, but not on a scout? And he was a heavy in chrome. Some of these guys are newly christened scouts, and you don't have Reflex? Possibly the best scout ever? Or Sleepy Zan? Ellithana mori needs to be in here, as well as icdumppl of PFBHz glory. |
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:58:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:When was exmaple a scout? He ran shotty, but not on a scout? And he was a heavy in chrome. Some of these guys are newly christened scouts, and you don't have Reflex? Possibly the best scout ever? Or Sleepy Zan? Ellithana mori needs to be in here, as well as icdumppl of PFBHz glory. Thanks, Zatara. The registry is about a day old and remains a work-in-progress. I'll look up the names you've identified ASAP. RE Exmaple: Per Jane & Annie, Exmaple was a badas** scout/shotty at the start of Uprising...the only one who they were afraid of  . I've gathered that he as since respec'd elsewhere.
You can get more feedback I could be wrong, but I played exmaple in 6 pc battles for PFBHz and he was in all of them, and he was running annie and calamity's fit aka caldari logi with double catalyzers and shotty ftw I coulda swore, and yes as of now he's a tanker. |
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:13:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:
Rules & Restrictions:
1) Scout Community Killboard
Participants should be active Scouts, defined as using a Scout or Light Frame the majority of his/her time in combat since Uprising. This restriction will help ensure an accurate count of of AR-514 Tears earned by our small band of brothers. The Registry entry threshold is currently 1000 kills.
2) Heroes Lost (Former Veteran/Elite Scouts)
Recognizes veterans who at some point had skilled into the Scout suit but are not currently Scouts. We have lost many of our finest since the release of Uprising; the Scout Community thanks these vets for their contribution.
3) Errors and Updates
The Registry will be updated regularly, no less than once per week. Updates will include current killcounts, new additions, and any necessary corrections. Please respond to this thread if your name is missing or included in error.
Did I mention Reflex is still a scout if i'm right, just running sniper now? And is gem cutter a scout sniper? Do snipers not count? Sleepy Zan quit dust, but he was in the youtube video you can find of PFBHz against Imperfects. If snipers count you may want to check with trollsroyce and heavenly daughter, cause they might be scout snipers.
Edit: after conferring with a few people, I'm positive maple never ran scout. |
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:53:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:
Do snipers not count?
Absolutely, so long as they brave all odds and snipe in a scout/light suit (i.e. Spec Ops Cipher) Zatara Rought wrote:
Did I mention Reflex is still a scout if i'm right, just running sniper now?
I'll adjust his entry. Still waiting to hear back from him in-game to confirm past/present scout. Zatara Rought wrote:
gem cutter? trollsroyce? heavenly daughter?
Sent in-game inquiries. Thanks for the new names! Edit: TrollsRoyce - No way this guy's a scout. KDR is near 30.
he's possibly the best sniper of all time. He used to have a kdr of 45.11 before he played pc. He might still be a scout. More than exraple ever was 
Edit: Heavenly Daughter also had a kdr over 30, never seen the killer, just been sniped, but I think she's potentially a scout as well. |
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:24:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:I have been a scout since I got here in the E3 build. CCP you have broken all remaining desire for me to play them.
Hey, he showed up! nothing but respect bro! |
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:26:00 -
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Karazantor wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:I have been a scout since I got here in the E3 build. CCP you have broken all remaining desire for me to play them. As per your thread, they are still great for a stealthy sniper, however nothing else they can do, can't be done better by assault/logi suits. Anyone who uses them for anything else is persistent to the point of masochism Sorry for the brief derail, i'm actually on the list however another character.
Wut!? Shotty go bang, ellithana Mori, and stellios are still beastly. I'm sure radar and sha would disagree, same with marauder, they use them effectively, but its tough. |
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:49:00 -
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Wow. Stellios was prolly in the top 3 scouts...that's crazy. |
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Posted - 2013.06.30 00:02:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:
Shotty go bang, ellithana Mori, and stellios are still beastly.
Your vote of confidence is much appreciated, Zatara, but 'beastly' may be misleading . My KDR of 2.20 is among the lowest in my corp, and is well below recruitment thresholds for other corps. I have gone positive only a few times in PC. At 11M SP (invested primarily in CQC weaponry, biotics and shields), I lose Isk in 50% of ambush pubs and 80% of other game modes should I chose to wear proto gear.
A man so humble he warms my heart, WTF man. Pro hic is lucky to have a shotty scout with a kdr over 2. It's much tougher than nova knifing on minja suits or using the flaylocks like many do. A scout shotty with a 2.2 kdr...pretty damn good yo. IMO |
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Posted - 2014.05.24 12:41:00 -
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Yeaahhhhhhhhhh.....I'm not the brightest light on the tree O_O;;
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:22:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
I think Rattati means well. But he's open to persuasion by those who don't. My money's on a big nerfs for all scouts. And I'm holding Zatara responsible for his part in it.
Won't fight for a guy who'd willingly break our legs to serve his own interests.
Wow bud.
What exactly are my interest considering I have 2 scout protosuits and had 1.2 mill ready to pounce the amarr or min if it got a buff?
It's like anyone who engages in rational discussion if flawed.
Really hurts that you would label be when you even said you agree with me. 
Read my posts there's no derogatory tone, no ulterior motive.
Just feels like you're acting really rash in judging me.
I fought for a change Appia helped me come up with (10% damp at proto to make min under all scans) and because I thought for a change that made sense as a bandaid, one that I figured I wasn't off in lala land because multiple people said the veracity of the idea withstood scrutiny, that it would suffice until a proper revisit to e-war balancing could be made.
In terms of e-war balance I'm consented and relented and come to agreeance figting in the future to make sure min can get under all scans if they max out makes sense. I'm been evolving this whole time open to knew ideas.
While you seem closed off, unable to rationally explain, used emotion, and clearly misjudged me and want it to affect in game relations..all over what seems to be in contradiction with the fact we agree on your proposal to make it so all scouts can get under all but quad cal scouts and gal logi focused with 2 complex damps.
/me shrugs
Maybe you need to rethink this.
Losing a corpmate over you reading some posts and disagreeing with me and then judging me without ever even trying to engage me? I don't know what sort of rationalization that justifies this caliber of conduct.
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:50:00 -
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Yup, I'm back.
6 hours is all I need. :D
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Posted - 2014.05.24 23:55:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
I think Rattati means well. But he's open to persuasion by those who don't. My money's on a big nerfs for all scouts. And I'm holding Zatara responsible for his part in it.
Won't fight for a guy who'd willingly break our legs to serve his own interests.
Wow bud. What exactly are my interest considering I have 2 scout protosuits and had 1.2 mill ready to pounce the amarr or min if it got a buff? It's like anyone who engages in rational discussion if flawed. Really hurts that you would label be when you even said you agree with me. Read my posts there's no derogatory tone, no ulterior motive. Just feels like you're acting really rash in judging me. I fought for a change Appia helped me come up with (10% damp at proto to make min under all scans) and because I thought for a change that made sense as a bandaid, one that I figured I wasn't off in lala land because multiple people said the veracity of the idea withstood scrutiny, that it would suffice until a proper revisit to e-war balancing could be made. In terms of e-war balance I'm consented and relented and come to agreeance figting in the future to make sure min can get under all scans if they max out makes sense. I'm been evolving this whole time open to knew ideas. While you seem closed off, unable to rationally explain, used emotion, and clearly misjudged me and want it to affect in game relations..all over what seems to be in contradiction with the fact we agree on your proposal to make it so all scouts can get under all but quad cal scouts and gal logi focused with 2 complex damps. /me shrugs Maybe you need to rethink this. Losing a corpmate over you reading some posts and disagreeing with me and then judging me without ever even trying to engage me? I don't know what sort of rationalization that justifies this caliber of conduct. 0.02 isk Please choose to talk to me. If not, then enjoy your stay elsewhere, and thank you for your service with the Last of Us. o7 We eventually agreed on how to fix the problem. Above and beyond that fix, here a few extra nerfs you proposed or supported: * nerf cal precision * nerf cal range * buff focused scanner * nerf gal range * even less cloak duration * gal passive rep reduction/removal Where do you draw the line with all these extras? We propose how to fix the problem; you agree then add other nerfs. Is that not what happened?
Rofl. Why should a gal scout have a range buff equal to the cal?
I relented on the cal range nerf, someone else had brought it up first and one thing you will learn if you choose not to make brass assumptions is that I love entertaining ideas. Sometimes to let a person see through discussion why an idea would play out badly, other times because I'm naive and i'm growing and I don't know anything (i'm being facetious but you get the point) and I've learned long ago that being closed minded is really dumb.
I never proposed we nerf the duration further or supported it. I only created a concept and that was my initial pendulum swing.
You see it as you fixing things and I'm just there shtting in your cheerios.
rofl.
Fact is Appia's mentality wasn't accomplishing much and moody was on the right track but not exactly offering how to do it.
Mean while you are over here already pissed off and aren't exactly approaching the table yet with creativity and openness it seems.
See how this works?
You make an assertion and back it up instead of making 1/2 truths to justify an unfair judgement.
I mean, you can't just say "well CCP gave me this bonus so we shouldn't change it because it would be a nerf."
In regards to the cal or gal having range bonuses.
Or the gal having a 3 rep.
FFS wtf shouldn't a gal scout get 1 rep medium get 2 and heavies get 3?
Why is it backwards? >_> This is discussion, this is how you get consensus.
THIS is what it's about Shotty. When I thought of a reason why the cal should retain their bonus, I changed.
I mean here's moody saying what we all knew but you seem to pretending...
That e-war needs a rebalance.
You can claim oh it's so tough for recon scout (what exactly does that mean? cause all scouts with cloak can get to be unscannable currently and walk around with 400 ehp and go 20+ kill games in PC because of these issues we're discussing and changing like cloaks having 80 seconds of duration with 16 seconds (according to apppia) to regen it!? I mean cmon
Please come to the table and reason together.
I get this is near and dear, and I'm sure you could contribute a vast amount of creativity.
**** some of the ideas generated because of that thread such as e-war not being all or nothing through making scouts that are within 1 db of dampening vs something trying to scan you and other ideas like that introduce other interesting factors and INTANGIBLES that prevent power creep. Huzzah!!
Before these threads where was the idea for cloaks needing to have a role despite the user being scanned?
All of these things are awesome to talk about.
Problem is everyone sounds really biased when people can't even see that an equipment offering module bonuses is a huge no-no.
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Posted - 2014.05.24 23:58:00 -
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And hell yes I full support removing squad vision except for active scanners and making the cal slightly worse (even if just 1 db rating worse) than the gal focused.
The active scanner has WAY more drawbacks and intangibles compared to the 360 wallhack passive cal quad.
I would love to discuss it with you if you'd like. But here we are again, I'm extending my hand to figure out your position, are you willing to do the same? <3
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Posted - 2014.05.25 01:11:00 -
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Proposal for making min scouts better have the edge vs other scouts when ninja hacking and min maxing stealth.
Rattati acknowledgement confirmed.
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Posted - 2014.05.25 02:17:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote: "Agreed to superfluous nerfs only to further dialogue. Promise." There is a time for games. When a Dev comes looking to us for input is not that time.
I didn 't say that. I entertained them. I never said "OH HEY RATTATI CONVO OVER HERE'S THE FIX!"
But you continue to justify everything in a flawed manner.
Making excuses for the tone you're decided to embrace doesn't make it right shotty.
You really let me down on this one. 
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Posted - 2014.05.25 03:16:00 -
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Your method of attributing all the blame to me if something goes wrong simply demonstrates the bias you should be above Shotty.
All i see from you is exactly as hans described.
And your attacks against me as really have no place except for maybe where popcorn is distributed.
Sorry bud. I'm trying to approach you rationally and with open mind, wish you coul do the same.
And I pray the rest of you don't fall into this mindset.
Strive to be better than this example.
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Posted - 2014.05.26 06:58:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes?
Just a noob, I don't have CCP's ear.
Not really important bud <3
Here's all you really need to know.
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Posted - 2014.05.26 18:22:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:mollerz wrote:Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated CEO and PoliticianGǪ What could possibly go wrong
actually hand in hand IMO.
Pokey, Black Jackal, Dennie Fleetfoot, Zionshad, and myself are or were CEO's in Black Jackal's case. Radar and Matthew Dust were also CEO's as candidates as well.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:50:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:mollerz wrote:Well.. Just landed back in California. I'm still not clear on zatara or whatever... Is this some n00b that has CCPs ear on changes? He's my CEO and a candidate for CPM. He's trying to help fix some problems in the Hotfix. His success or failure in this field is currently being debated CEO and PoliticianGǪ What could possibly go wrong actually hand in hand IMO. Pokey, Black Jackal, Dennie Fleetfoot, Zionshad, and myself are or were CEO's in Black Jackal's case. Radar and Matthew Dust were also CEO's as candidates as well. <3 But what about that makes for a good community representative?
That is a great question.
The purpose of the CPM is to represent the community to CCP and be a conduit for the community as a focus group of sorts.
The assertion was that being a CEO is a bad thing was just something I was hoping i could easily disperse by listing a bunch of the candidates you may not have known were CEO's.
Being a CEO doesn't inherently make you a viable CPM choice, but it can demonstrate a lot about you.
Your ability to lead a corp successfully is often time a reflection that you are willing to put in the time to keep the corp 'alive' in some sense. Corps that aren't given goals or have a factor that keeps the community together (take WTF as the default French community corporation) often fall by the wayside. A leader is often also heavily involved in putting out fires diplomatically, and being patient and professional is really key when you want to work with CCP.
You can't be the type of person to reign down fire and brimstone and cry and scream because it gets you worse than nowhere.
You get reduced to sitting in a corner with the dunce cap and you compromise your ability to advocate with the traits that voted you in in the first place.
Furthermore being CEO often means you've dealt with other CEO's, at least I assume so I personally know probably about 20 CEO's on dust and am familiar with many more.
This leads to some really happy things happening in terms of having laid the foundation to delegate to those CEO's and ask them to get feedback from their members about 'X' if you simply don't have the time to seek out each member. If that foundation isn't there, you have to work a little harder. 
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Posted - 2014.05.27 10:04:00 -
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"
IVVS blew a lot of wind about numbers not being the thing that should determine advantage. But you know what? In the real world, every single video game must come down to numbers, because that's all any of it is. When they nerf one set of numbers, another set of numbers must inevitably step to the fore. Because we don't have the sort of technology that would really, truly let player skill be the be-all, end-all.
"It's all a game of this or that, now versus then. 'Better off' against 'worse for wear'." In other words, video game balance is a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, Nerf Bat. Even Blizzard, the king of the MMO, has not found a way out of this trap."
Let me point you to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxszx60ZwGw
In particular the "intangible" portion near the end.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 10:13:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxszx60ZwGw#t=3m47s
also:
Quote:In the real world, every single video game must come down to numbers, because that's all any of it is.
I really can't tell if I should lol or think this is inadvertently profound. <3
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Posted - 2014.05.28 02:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:The CPM1 Race is underway! There's a good chance that candidates might drop in to visit. Let's give 'em hell.  But not too much hell. We don't want the ones who win to hate us from the start. On the topic, I'd like to say that I withdraw all accusations of foul-play against Zatara Rought. This change in disposition comes on advice of trusted Brother; details can be found downstairs. Apologies, Zatara. I overreacted. Best of luck in your campaign. o7
Thank you Shotty <3
I need all the support I can get to be competitive in this race, and I hope I haven't alienated any of you inadvertently.
I can promise you I know the primary means of making sure scouts continue within their role is to buff the amarr and minmatar, leave the nerf hammer alone now that the cloak is being revised, and buff assaults so that FOTM scouts will recognize Assaults as a viable playstyle again.
I encourage all of you to stop in and take a moment to browse my thread and feel free to like/endorse me and ultimately honor me with your votes when the elections arrive.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156984
Also, I haven't been able to squad with many of you yet and I'd like to rectify this.
I'll be playing quite a bit this week with the 3x event [YAY!] and I hope I can squad up with the brave souls who have been participating in the scout game long before I ever considered investing in my 2 proto suits.
Cheers!
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Posted - 2014.05.28 03:00:00 -
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No doubt it needs to be a priority to be fixed. I haven't used scanners much since I got my cal and gal scout, so i'll play with them tonight. Obviously if this is remotely a problem it needs to be fixed.
Although really? 3 posts of my quotes? SMH, just combine them into 1 broseph.
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:25:00 -
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Ideally what sort of nerf to backpedal speed would you envision?
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:30:00 -
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Can I get a consensus that 90% backpedal speed would be affable? tweak it further if needed?
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:34:00 -
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Okie dokie thanks guys!
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Posted - 2014.08.07 22:15:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Can I get a consensus that 90% backpedal speed would be affable? tweak it further if needed? 85% is the magic number I could maths it out (not reallyGǪ i don't maths because eyes stupids) 90% is good but it won't make a significant impact across the board. I know 85% would be a harder sell though
Can you explain why 85% is your magic number?
Why do you think 10% reduction to backpedal speed won't make a significant impact?
Can you elaborate what you mean by "across the board" in this context?
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:24:00 -
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I usually don't try to shotgun heavies. I RE them and move on.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:54:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The shotgun is my 2nd favorite weapon currently and I use it about 40% of the time. FTFY
 Thanks.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:56:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Also: Interesting take on the cloak.
I was chatting with a friend, and he had an idea.
He was fine with my cloak idea, but he didn't like the idea of someone gaining the "Perfect escape tool" while still benefiting from passive scans.
Interesting idea. You are either visible and scanning, or invisible and blind. Can't have both.
Thoughts?
Sounds cool. 
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:18:00 -
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Yeah I like magsecs, and then shotgun gal scout, which is nice because I don't need a cloak, so i can fit my focused scanner and re's without worrying about the pesky amarr's.
I'm spending this weeks SP on NK's though since I hear they are so much fun and would make a great sidearm for my magsec fits.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Call me pesky one more time I dare you!
I was one of your constituents.
D:
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Posted - 2014.09.09 03:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Anyways CPM Zatara supposedly talked to you guys about removing cloaks and according to him was a positive response. While I would love to read all 1076 pages of the barber shop I really don't have the time can you guys confirm his story?
LOL, this is an absolute and disgusting lie.
I have never claimed to have been given support for removing cloaks from the scout community.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 03:46:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:or longer delay before you can fire after decloak.
THIS is the only consensus (along with the backpedal speed obviously) I've ever discussed.
Man i'm quite surprised no one questioned IWS on this...considering the track record. *facepalm*
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:41:00 -
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Mathppia wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:
considering the track record. *facepalm*
The only reputable thing about IWS is his meticulous note taking. It's a lot easier to think you or any of the other 6 said something off handed rather than IWS messed up on note taking, the only thing he's actually good at.
I've discussed this with IWS and he could not produce anything resembling an assertion from me that the barbershop was behind cloak removal.
I believe in his haste he made a mistake.
If he someday does find anything remotely resembling this accusation then it was a misunderstanding and I owe you all an apology...because I was in possession of no knowledge to justify that assertion. But...I have never maintained that the barbershop was behind cloak removal.
Removing content is not anything I think should be done at all costs.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:23:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
IWS built up some good will with scouts when 1.8 discussions were taking place.
Also, while I have had some major issues with him since FF, I never encountered anything suggesting him to be a liar.
That being said, perhaps there was a miscommunication between you two?
Either way, this looks to be a very entertaining conflict between the CPM which I very much look forward to.
I can't discuss internal CPM discussions, but I repeat my only assertions which I have ever made concerning having anything close to the barbershops consensus support was backpedal speed and cloak firing delay.
I do think it was a simple mistake..although I would have preferred even if I had misspoken for him or anyone to have simply asked if there was consensus support of __________ and then used that the responses to guage the veracity of any such claims.
No need to accidentally or intentionally throw someone under the bus if they happen to be wrong.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:52:00 -
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Mine is saying I can't do anything before the start date. :(
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Posted - 2014.11.19 01:05:00 -
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yes I totally support you needing 3 damps to get under lol gal logi focused scans.
not 4 damps. that was part of what was dumb in 1.7.
dunno why that was ever unclear.
but that'd 3 damps...no dampening from cloak.
and for the one piece of equipment one needs 14 PG to fit ONE on a gal logi...feasibly with 2 focused scanners...you could check 45 degrees (1/8) of your surroundings for 5 seconds at a time with the long cooldown of what...30 seconds?
And we can still beat it with 3 damps?
Sounds like an improvement from 4 damps in 1.7...especially when we got an extra high/low.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 18:58:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:CPM Zatara wrote:Scouts were fine before 1.8. I raged.
Dust Forums, how I love thee.
Where was this said?
Saying that scouts were more useful to the competitive scene in 1.7 than assaults/logi's are in 1.8 =/= Scout before 1.8 were fine.
I have said multiple times the extra slot/extra equip slot/and that the cloak is awesome for scouts and shouldn't be nerfed into the ground..that these were needed changes for scouts to be MORE viable.
I like how you're wrong about all sorts of **** (marauder/roner for 1)...but it's all good to politicize and misquote me in here so you can circlejerk about my supposed 'intentions'.
Utterly pathetic.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:03:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:So why is everyone thinking Mediums are getting a EWAR buff?
I think the Falloff scans are enough to make it viable for a Medium to run one damp/precision/amp just to improve the innermost circle, at least to begin with.
Moving to ewar efficacy for scouts will then counter the high native ewar slayer scouts.
That's it basically.
Because WITHOUT an e-war buff nothing changes in the meta.
Scout514 with it's only counter of heavy blob 514 persists.
In pubs lol you can run w/e and do fine.
But balancing the meta needs to involve buffing medium e-war.
And thankfully even scouts are beginning to see that and propose changes like:
Vitantur Nothus wrote:@ Nerf Scout EWAR! An Alternative Approach: Google DocSuggestion ThreadAssaults* 5dB buff to Profile * 5dB buff to Precision * 5m buff to Range Logis* 5dB buff to Profile * 5dB buff to Precision * 5m buff to Range (I understand this wouldn't be as popular as nerf scouts!, but it would achieve the goal of improving MedFrame EWAR with substantially less risk of fallout.)
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:18:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:I love how Zatara can say stuff like, it doesn't take much for a scout to get over 500hp, just fit 4 complex shields.
And then say proto assaults mostly only run 600 to 700 hp.
So it's fine and normal for a scout to fill 2/3s of their mod slots with proto hp mods and we should balance around this, but assaults only have 700hp so can't possibly give it up for damps.
Can't remember exactly what he said, but these double standards make me lol.
Edit: ok, so he said the assault bit first, and it was up to 800hp without EWAR.
Still annoying. Over 500 hp is a lot of hp investment for a scout.
lmao.
More misquotes.
Not surprised.
getting to 500 ehp is not hard for proto scouts.
The min scout with 2 extenders gets to 430.
A cal with 4 slots (what exactly were you going to put in the high slots as opposed to complex shield extenders??...a damage mod for your shotty???)
Gal get to 500 easily
And amarr is the tankiest.
Getting to 700 ehp is a lot of investment for a scout.
Getting to 800 ehp on my cal assault? 5 slots of 8.
And btw...the min scout has slightly PG for it's 6 high/lows and 2 equips...than my assault suit for it's 8 high/lows and 1 equip slot..isn't minmatar supposed to have the least fitting capacity of the races? (both obv have 2 weap & grenade slot)
Just a weird observation I had this morning.
It has more CPU than the cal scout.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:24:00 -
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This really needs to be reiterated.
One Eyed King wrote:
The current mechanics already have some area for Mediums to dampen.
If they have 1 Complex Dampener equipped, they can beat Minmatar and Caldari scouts with no precision enhancers, and with 2 Complex Dampeners can beat both Amarr and Gallente scouts with no precision enhancers.
Assuming all scouts have 1 Complex PE, Medium frames can beat Minmatar and Caldari scouts scans with 2 Complex Dampeners. They need 3 CDs to beat Gallente's 1 PE (though if tied scans/damps went to the dampened instead of the precision they would only need two). To beat Amarr with 1 Complex PE, they would need 4 Complex Damps.
It is not even remotely reasonable to demand that someone spend 4 low slots on complex modules to counter the effect of a single bonused module.
These are obscene module counts that you are suggesting to counter minor investments by scouts. 4 complex dampeners is utterly crippling to any medium frame - 1 precision enhancer is not. If an Amarr scout is required to throw on just one precision enhancer and then medframes are obligated to spend 4 modules to evade it, the medframes are not going to spend the modules to evade it. To suggest that they would is absurd. That Amarr scout can then comfortably out-tank any medframe stupid enough to try evading scout scans, while maintaining huge EWAR advantages and all the other wonders that scout suits confer.
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It is ONLY when you get to scouts with 2 Complex PEs that you begin to have a problem,
'Begin' to have a problem? 
Quote:
as at that point Medium Frames can't beat Amarr scans, BUT you have to consider that Amarr are sacrificing all their High Slots to get this advantage AND that this is their role! Caldari and Minamatar with 2 Complex Precision Enhancers can STILL be beaten with 3 Complex Dampeners. Gallente scans can STILL be beaten, but you have to sacrifice 5 slots for Complex Dampeners to do so, there again Gallente are sacrificing ALL THEIR HIGH SLOTS, and you can STILL beat their scans!!
It is ONLY when Caldari and Minmatar sacrifice ALL their High Slots that you cannot beat their scans! Even then, if tied precision/dampening went to the dampener instead of the scanner you could beat them!
Oh no, someone is sacrificing two high slots! That's 'ALL THEIR HIGH SLOTS' and you can still beat their scans... If you're mad enough to fit five low slot modules. How can you possibly claim that medframes can compete on the EWAR scene with such utterly mad numbers?
Nobody is going to fit that many damps. Nobody. As a scout, you already complain about the crippling effects of being forced to fit two or more dampeners, but you think that fitting five isn't crippling?
Quote:TL;DR wrote:There is plenty of room for Medium Frames in the EWAR picture as it currently stands. Simply changing the mechanics such that scanner/dampener ties favored the dampener and not the scanner would go a long way towards increasing the flexibility for EWAR under the current system.
No. No, there isn't. Medframes are not even remotely close to competing in this environment.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:25:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
No. No, there isn't. Medframes are not even remotely close to competing in this environment.
That is like saying because scouts can't compete directly in HP that they are somehow broke and in need of fixing. They are SUPPOSED to be EWAR kings, having sacrificed SIGNIFICANT HP in order to do so. It was your own assertion that medframes could compete with EWAR, not mine. I haven't said a word about whether they should be able to or not - but your assertion that medframes can compete with scout EWAR is blatantly wrong. Quote:
Fitting requirements are such that if they were to try and be unscannable (which would require active cloak for 3 out of the 4 scouts and thus negating any precision modules they use) they would essentially be sacrificing ALL TANKING ABILITY to do so!
Only the Gallente, who could get away without needing the proto cloak and all the fitting costs that entails could really make a go of it. The rest, in order to use their precision, MUST remain uncloaked, and therefore scanable.
If you aren't willing to rework the HP discrepancies between suits, there is zero reason to significantly alter EWAR changes for scouts given that EWAR is to make up for their reduced HP.
Let's talk about those perceived HP discrepancies. Our scanner will be an Amarr scout with two precision enhancers. For this hypothetical scenario, we'll use a Galscout. Naturally, to evade our scanner, our Galscout will be fully dampened and equipped with a cloak. It only actually needs the cloak to evade short scans, but we'll just ignore that for now. This leaves the Galscout free to fit two complex plates and two complex extenders, leading to a total of approximately 700 EHP. Our second victim will be, say, a Galassault. To avoid the Amarr scout scans it will use 5 dampeners. It won't actually avoid them even on long but let's just consider that a minor detail for now. This enables it to fit three shield extenders, leading to a total of 750 HP. Truly, a massive HP discrepancy and something crippling to the class. 50 HP is so massive we'll just ignore the smaller hitbox of the Galscout, the superior passive scans of the Galscout helping it with other threats, the fact that the Galassault still can't actually evade that scan, the quicker shield recovery of the Galscout, the better equipment flexibility should it choose to forgo the probably unnecessary cloak, etc etc. Also, the Amarr scout can happily tank up while running around with these scans. Before you turn around in indignation again and claim that I am suggesting scouts should be terrible at EWAR or something, let me remind you what I am proving here. Here is a direct quote from you: One Eyed King wrote:
There is plenty of room for Medium Frames in the EWAR picture as it currently stands.
You are wrong. Medium frames cannot compete with scout EWAR. Stating that they presently can is simply untrue. As a scout, you should understand the tactical importance of radar and that scanning is inherently stronger than dampening tactically - scanning affecting a broad range, dampening affecting only you. A full 5 rack of low slot dampeners to counter 2 high slot scanners is too much. Nobody will do it, and it can't be called competitive.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:27:00 -
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TL;DR
Man...just read it all.
You got time to make spreadsheets and go back months ago in some cases to misquote me...you proly have enough time to actually read this. :P
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:47:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Zatara is learning the ways of the DPLAK
Is that an insult?
It's Appia so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:58:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:
What's pathetic is your constant politicking.
PS: Marauder is the founding father of HP tanked scouts. He ran a tanky scout from 1.0 forward, long before tanking scouts became the norm. Roner migrated to scout much later and followed in Marauders footsteps.
Such BS.
You claimed
Vitantur Nothus wrote:Marauder and Roner ran plates and kincats; they didn't even bother with damps. Lol.
And the evidence was:
Zatara Rought wrote:I asked if you needed more. Here's Roner...looking for marauder. Edit: Found it! So he either ran 2 plates 2 repairers...or 1 plate 1 damp 2 repair. And he aimed for about 560 ehp. Sounds about like what the gal is pulling today. And the Cal right behind it...and the Min behind that.
You can debate all you like...you are wrong.
Marauder ran 2 plates max.
And either damped and repaired...or just ran 2 repairers.
Roner...as the evidence shows us..ran 2 damps.
and no kin kats...in the face of your assertion.
So instead of just making BS up..try actually knowing wtf you're talking about.
Because if he was the father of tanking scouts...why is he here in the barbershop suggesting otherwise.
Instead of preaching the merits of a system you ascribe to him..he's suggesting run 1 plate, a repair...and a damp.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 19:59:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:TL;DR
Man...just read it all.
You got time to make spreadsheets and go back months ago in some cases to misquote me...you proly have enough time to actually read this. :P Best part of spreadsheets? Math is constant, transparent and trustworthy. It doesn't seek to revise history, tell convenient half truths or attempt to contort falsity into fact. Math has no ego and harbors no need for posturing, spin or politics.
ya damn right...the spin machine from your end is working hard.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 20:29:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:I like your confidence; waltzing in here to tell us "what really happened" in early Uprising Scout History as if we didn't live it firsthand.
For examples of early non-tanking scouts, point to Radar and Lightning xVx. Drop these big names to better peddle whatever it is you're peddling.
I just pointed you to them telling you what really happened.
Rewrite their own words all you wish.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 21:01:00 -
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The 4x plate fit was not a shotgun fit but yeah....so instead of "all they ran was plates and kin cats. they didn't even bother with damps"
the picture for roner at least is:
no he did not seem to be running kin cats.
yes he seems to have run dampeners.
yes roner seems to have plate stacked.
seem about right?
Marauder we have his own words.
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Posted - 2014.11.19 21:20:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Can someone let me know when the pissing contest is done
Yeah. I've had about enough.
Like i said..i'll be back when I get misquoted more...hope all has been well in here since the IWS misunderstanding.
o7
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Posted - 2014.11.19 21:41:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:
Scouts should be removed from the game.
o7
HA! 
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#toodles
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Posted - 2015.04.23 22:22:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Nova Knife wrote:The utter filth that is this thread makes what got me removed from CPM0 look tame in comparison. Where the **** did you come from!?
He got lost on the way to college...sir
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