I think Rattati means well. But he's open to persuasion by those who don't. My money's on a big nerfs for all scouts. And I'm holding Zatara responsible for his part in it.

Won't fight for a guy who'd willingly break our legs to serve his own interests.

I'm telling you guys, CCP Rattati is the Slayer-Logi Savior

I think Rattati means well. But he's open to persuasion by those who don't. My money's on a big nerfs for all scouts. And I'm holding Zatara responsible for his part in it.

Won't fight for a guy who'd willingly break our legs to serve his own interests.

Why are you awake Zatara?

EDIT: Wow, time flies.

Yup, I'm back.

6 hours is all I need. :D

Made a post in NN, I'll post here for people that haven't/won't/can't check.

Basically, as some of you may or may not know, there is an upcoming duel between myself and LIast.
I propose that you guys bet on the outcome, minimum bet of 5 Million Isk

How would this betting work?

I put 5 mil on Spademan, to be bet against the first person to take this bet. Or something.
Go, glorious ion pistol user!

How would this betting work?

I put 5 mil on Spademan, to be bet against the first person to take this bet. Or something.
Go, glorious ion pistol user!

Wow bud.

What exactly are my interest considering I have 2 scout protosuits and had 1.2 mill ready to pounce the amarr or min if it got a buff?

It's like anyone who engages in rational discussion if flawed.

Really hurts that you would label be when you even said you agree with me.

Read my posts there's no derogatory tone, no ulterior motive.

Just feels like you're acting really rash in judging me.

I fought for a change Appia helped me come up with (10% damp at proto to make min under all scans) and because I thought for a change that made sense as a bandaid, one that I figured I wasn't off in lala land because multiple people said the veracity of the idea withstood scrutiny, that it would suffice until a proper revisit to e-war balancing could be made.

In terms of e-war balance I'm consented and relented and come to agreeance figting in the future to make sure min can get under all scans if they max out makes sense. I'm been evolving this whole time open to knew ideas.

While you seem closed off, unable to rationally explain, used emotion, and clearly misjudged me and want it to affect in game relations..all over what seems to be in contradiction with the fact we agree on your proposal to make it so all scouts can get under all but quad cal scouts and gal logi focused with 2 complex damps.

/me shrugs

Maybe you need to rethink this.

Losing a corpmate over you reading some posts and disagreeing with me and then judging me without ever even trying to engage me? I don't know what sort of rationalization that justifies this caliber of conduct.

0.02 isk Please choose to talk to me. If not, then enjoy your stay elsewhere, and thank you for your service with the Last of Us.

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We eventually agreed on how to fix the problem. Above and beyond that fix, here a few extra nerfs you proposed or supported:

* nerf cal precision
* nerf cal range
* buff focused scanner
* nerf gal range
* even less cloak duration
* gal passive rep reduction/removal

Where do you draw the line with all these extras?
We propose how to fix the problem; you agree then add other nerfs.

Is that not what happened?

It's been awhile since we had a bar-room brawl.

Music to fit the tone (Pardon the slow start. It gets better around 0:35)

"Agreed to superfluous nerfs only to further dialogue. Promise."

There is a time for games. When a Dev comes looking to us for input is not that time.

Hans assures us that [CCP Rattati] has a greater plan to bring in balance and thematic to the game. [Hans] does not care if [Rattati] screws over a suit or a role for a week or a month to get there.

Thankfully Rattati knows how badly scouts have been burned by this concept in the past, so there will be no more 10 month waits before we get the changes we need.

I didn 't say that. I entertained them. I never said "OH HEY RATTATI CONVO OVER HERE'S THE FIX!"

But you continue to justify everything in a flawed manner.

Making excuses for the tone you're decided to embrace doesn't make it right shotty.

You really let me down on this one.

I'll take you on that one Arkena. 5 Mil on Llast FTW!

And I've got another 5 Mil to put down if anyone else wants some action

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At the end of the day, you can emotionally cling to the state of one suit or fitting and lobby for all kinds of concessions that obfuscate the process of un****ing the stats and actually injecting some core design logic back into the fitting system, but why in the world would you want to slow down progress? This **** just has to be done, and really should have been done ages ago when these problems were first identified by the community.

There are so many values in the game that have been tweaked so much for so long that they're well out of the original design "pocket" they once belonged in. Normalizing the fitting on the armor plates is only the tip of the iceberg, there are just loads of systems in the game without any kind of sensible scaling or progression, and its been causing too much micromanagement to be done on the individual stat level, rather than tweaking larger knobs like PG/CPU ratios at a system level. The old way is simply tedious and highly inefficient, and Rattati is wise to make cleaning this up one of his first priorities. The sooner Rattati cleans up the messes in the spreadsheets, the faster this whole iterative process becomes, and we continue to accelerate towards a fun, playable, balanced play state. Why you don't see the benefit in this is just beyond me.

Fits will be broken in the process. There's no sense in trying to stop every occurence, or in lashing out at the people finally trying to fix the game. As much as possible, measures will be taken to keep as many roles effective at all times, but its a bit unreasonable to create paralyzing logic puzzles for the devs by throwing red flags every time an individual suit or weapon is affected negatively, without giving any consideration to the greater benefit offered by cleaning up Dust's mechanics at a systemic level.

Frankly, in any game (whether its Dust, EVE, LoL, Magic: The Gathering, you name it) that is governed by a competitive meta, this sort of pot-stirring is almost a form of content generation in the first place. I just personally refuse get on board with the "BUT MY FIT IS GOING TO CHANGE. RAWWWWWWRRRRR" bullshit. Logging in and seeing different suits on the battlefield is actually a gift and one of the game's true pleasures.

Your method of attributing all the blame to me if something goes wrong simply demonstrates the bias you should be above Shotty.

All i see from you is exactly as hans described.

And your attacks against me as really have no place except for maybe where popcorn is distributed.

Sorry bud. I'm trying to approach you rationally and with open mind, wish you coul do the same.

And I pray the rest of you don't fall into this mindset.

Strive to be better than this example.

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